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Hmmm... this one reminds me of Christian Weston Chandler! Oh wait, Yaniv's the Canadian version of Christine Weston Chandler.
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Hi, Jonathan!
In Leafland, there are apparently two levels of jail/prison: the provincial jails and the federal jails. The provincial jails appear to be for pretrial holding and stays of under two years, so this is like the American county jail vs. Attica. Much like the US, there are not a lot of facilities for women (or "women") up there, which limits the possibilities.
If Tranniv were to be thrown in jail, it looks like he would probably go to the Alouette Correctional Centre for Women.
There are a few levels of security, so he could be in minimum, medium, or high security. Minimum looks like summer camp. High security looks like a modern county jail with two levels of rooms/cells around an open area with tables and chairs.
According to the internet, pre-op trans inmates there don't have cellies.
If Tranniv were to be thrown in jail, it looks like he would probably go to the Alouette Correctional Centre for Women.
Transgender inmate at Maple Ridge women’s prison files discrimination complaint
Human Rights Tribunal hears case in June
PHIL MELNYCHUKApr. 30, 2019 1:00 p.m.LOCAL NEWSNEWS
The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal is to hear in late June about a transgender inmate at the woman’s prison in Maple Ridge who has complained about being discriminated against.
Hayden Patterson, in her early 20s, filed the complaint against the provincial government, saying the behaviour contract she signed when she was transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre for Women is discriminatory because she’s subject to tougher behaviour requirements than other female prisoners.
“She’s alleging discrimination on the basis of her gender identity, saying she’s being treated differently, in an unfair way than other female inmates at ACCW, because she is a transgender woman,” said human rights lawyer Laura Track.
The behaviour contract required Hayden Patterson, formerly Kevin Patterson, to continue “to demonstrate gender expression that is consistent with your current gender identity [female].”
Track, with the Community Legal Assistance Society, said that seems to suggest that if Patterson did not wear makeup or cut her hair “she may not be demonstrating female gender expression in the way that corrections deems appropriate.”
That could lead to a transfer back to Surrey Pre-Trial or doing time in what’s called enhanced supervision placement – where she’s locked up 21 hours a day.
Other terms of the behaviour contract state that Patterson can’t share a cell with another inmate, nor engage in any sexual behaviour, which includes sexual conversations, acts, gestures or physical contact.
According to the complaint filed Nov. 16 with the tribunal, Patterson’s behaviour is being “excessively monitored and surveilled” because she is transgender.
“Having to worry about her every move, whether it may be construed as inappropriate, is mentally draining, stressful, frustrating and exhausting,” the complaint said.
Patterson filed her complaint after receiving two letters in October for possible breaches of her behavioural contract.
On Oct. 15, she was warned that she could be put on “enhanced supervision placement” because of inappropriate touching of another inmate. The complaint says the warning was not specific, but Patterson believes she was warned because she shook hands with other inmates and poked another to get her attention.
On Oct. 29, Patterson was placed on enhanced supervision placement for several weeks, locked in her cell for 21 hours a day, for “inappropriate behaviour,” including “relationship-type behaviour.”
Patterson, though, said in the complaint that allegations were unspecific and vague and that it involved hugging another inmate and sitting in the yard next to another inmate.
Patterson has also been locked in her cell for 21 hours since then, though Track doesn’t know how many times.
Track said most transgender inmates are located within men’s prisons and B.C. Corrections is trying to figure out how to deal with the issue. She noted the B.C. Human Rights Code was amended three years ago to protect gender identity and gender expression.
Colin Hynes, with B.C. Corrections, couldn’t comment on the specific case.
However, in general, placement decisions are made considering “the inmate’s self-identified gender and any possible health, safety or security issues that may impact placement,” Hynes said.
Patterson was transferred to ACCW from the men’s Surrey Pre-Trial Centre last September. She had to sign the contract in order to be transferred to the women’s prison, according to the complaint.
She was transferred upon recommendation of a doctor after Patterson identified as transgender while in Surrey Pre-Trial in late 2017.
That led her to being targeted and assaulted in that prison before being transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre, Track said.
Patterson is being held on an extradition matter to face a murder charge in the U.S., Track added.
Patterson has filed two other complaints with the Human Rights Tribunal regarding her time while in Surrey Pre-Trial Centre, Track said.
Track said one of those complaints involves Patterson not having access to kosher food while in Surrey Pretrial.
Patterson said she has identified as Jewish since age 15 and claims the denial of her request for a kosher diet is a violation of Section 8 of the Human Rights Code.
That will be considered at a later hearing of the Human Rights Tribunal.
In addition, Patterson has filed a complaint about her ongoing incarceration at Surrey Pretrial, months despite her identifying as a transgender woman in late 2017.
However, she wasn’t transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre for Women until September 2018, which was also months after a corrections doctor recommended the transfer.
Track added that Patterson said she was harassed, targeted and sexually assaulted at Surrey Pretrial after identifying as transgender in the months before she was transferred.
“I can’t speak to the specific nature of her allegations, but she does claim that she was sexually assaulted in that time,” Track said.
Human Rights Tribunal hears case in June
PHIL MELNYCHUKApr. 30, 2019 1:00 p.m.LOCAL NEWSNEWS
The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal is to hear in late June about a transgender inmate at the woman’s prison in Maple Ridge who has complained about being discriminated against.
Hayden Patterson, in her early 20s, filed the complaint against the provincial government, saying the behaviour contract she signed when she was transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre for Women is discriminatory because she’s subject to tougher behaviour requirements than other female prisoners.
“She’s alleging discrimination on the basis of her gender identity, saying she’s being treated differently, in an unfair way than other female inmates at ACCW, because she is a transgender woman,” said human rights lawyer Laura Track.
The behaviour contract required Hayden Patterson, formerly Kevin Patterson, to continue “to demonstrate gender expression that is consistent with your current gender identity [female].”
Track, with the Community Legal Assistance Society, said that seems to suggest that if Patterson did not wear makeup or cut her hair “she may not be demonstrating female gender expression in the way that corrections deems appropriate.”
That could lead to a transfer back to Surrey Pre-Trial or doing time in what’s called enhanced supervision placement – where she’s locked up 21 hours a day.
Other terms of the behaviour contract state that Patterson can’t share a cell with another inmate, nor engage in any sexual behaviour, which includes sexual conversations, acts, gestures or physical contact.
According to the complaint filed Nov. 16 with the tribunal, Patterson’s behaviour is being “excessively monitored and surveilled” because she is transgender.
“Having to worry about her every move, whether it may be construed as inappropriate, is mentally draining, stressful, frustrating and exhausting,” the complaint said.
Patterson filed her complaint after receiving two letters in October for possible breaches of her behavioural contract.
On Oct. 15, she was warned that she could be put on “enhanced supervision placement” because of inappropriate touching of another inmate. The complaint says the warning was not specific, but Patterson believes she was warned because she shook hands with other inmates and poked another to get her attention.
On Oct. 29, Patterson was placed on enhanced supervision placement for several weeks, locked in her cell for 21 hours a day, for “inappropriate behaviour,” including “relationship-type behaviour.”
Patterson, though, said in the complaint that allegations were unspecific and vague and that it involved hugging another inmate and sitting in the yard next to another inmate.
Patterson has also been locked in her cell for 21 hours since then, though Track doesn’t know how many times.
Track said most transgender inmates are located within men’s prisons and B.C. Corrections is trying to figure out how to deal with the issue. She noted the B.C. Human Rights Code was amended three years ago to protect gender identity and gender expression.
Colin Hynes, with B.C. Corrections, couldn’t comment on the specific case.
However, in general, placement decisions are made considering “the inmate’s self-identified gender and any possible health, safety or security issues that may impact placement,” Hynes said.
Patterson was transferred to ACCW from the men’s Surrey Pre-Trial Centre last September. She had to sign the contract in order to be transferred to the women’s prison, according to the complaint.
She was transferred upon recommendation of a doctor after Patterson identified as transgender while in Surrey Pre-Trial in late 2017.
That led her to being targeted and assaulted in that prison before being transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre, Track said.
Patterson is being held on an extradition matter to face a murder charge in the U.S., Track added.
Patterson has filed two other complaints with the Human Rights Tribunal regarding her time while in Surrey Pre-Trial Centre, Track said.
Track said one of those complaints involves Patterson not having access to kosher food while in Surrey Pretrial.
Patterson said she has identified as Jewish since age 15 and claims the denial of her request for a kosher diet is a violation of Section 8 of the Human Rights Code.
That will be considered at a later hearing of the Human Rights Tribunal.
In addition, Patterson has filed a complaint about her ongoing incarceration at Surrey Pretrial, months despite her identifying as a transgender woman in late 2017.
However, she wasn’t transferred to Alouette Correctional Centre for Women until September 2018, which was also months after a corrections doctor recommended the transfer.
Track added that Patterson said she was harassed, targeted and sexually assaulted at Surrey Pretrial after identifying as transgender in the months before she was transferred.
“I can’t speak to the specific nature of her allegations, but she does claim that she was sexually assaulted in that time,” Track said.
Hearing expected in B.C. human rights case involving transgender inmate
by CAMILLE BAINS, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Posted May 30, 2017 6:11 am MST Last Updated May 30, 2017 at 6:40 am MST
VANCOUVER – A lawyer for a transgender woman who was forced to stay in a men’s jail says his client hopes her human rights case against the British Columbia government will change policies for other inmates.
Dan Soiseth said his client Jaris Lovado, who calls herself Bianca, was incarcerated at the Surrey Pretrial Centre for five months last year before being moved to a women’s facility after filing multiple complaints.
The Justice Ministry tried to have Lovado’s complaint to the BC Human Rights Tribunal dismissed, but the tribunal ruled the case is worthy of a further hearing.
BC Corrections has a policy of housing inmates according to their self-identified gender unless health and safety concerns can’t be resolved.
The ministry told the tribunal that during a previous stay at the Alouette Correctional Centre for Women, Lovado engaged in inappropriate relationships with female inmates and posed a safety risk to women who may have experienced trauma.
It also said Lovado displayed a “male persona.”
“We don’t know exactly what that means,” Soiseth said.
Soiseth, who represents the Community Legal Assistance Society, said there was no evidence provided of any safety concerns and it’s not unusual for inmates to have relationships.
He said the main issue is that Lovado, who was serving time for fraud-related charges and breaching conditions of release, faced discrimination as a transgender person and her needs were not met until she complained.
Lovado was moved to the women’s facility in Maple Ridge last September after she agreed to meet behavioural expectations.
The tribunal’s written decision stated Alouette Correctional Centre initially declined to accept Lovado as a transfer based on information from BC Corrections that she’d been living in the community as a male.
The decision said an April 26, 2016, email from the deputy warden to the assistant warden at Surrey Pretrial said Lovado refused to be skin frisked by a male but that the deputy said Lovado should undergo that procedure because she had “all the equipment of a male.”
Lovado requested a “female Alouette Centre diet” while at Surrey Pretrial but was told that wasn’t possible, the ruling said. The tribunal noted BC Corrections branch did provide her with female underwear including bras and make-up from Alouette.
Corrections said in its application for dismissal that staff at the Surrey Pretrial Centre ensured Lovado was placed in areas where she could have adequate privacy.
“It says it also ensured Ms. Lovado’s physical and mental health-care needs were addressed in a timely manner,” the ruling said.
Lovado did not respond to requests for comment, and the Justice Ministry said it could not provide information until the election writ is returned.
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by CAMILLE BAINS, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Posted May 30, 2017 6:11 am MST Last Updated May 30, 2017 at 6:40 am MST
VANCOUVER – A lawyer for a transgender woman who was forced to stay in a men’s jail says his client hopes her human rights case against the British Columbia government will change policies for other inmates.
Dan Soiseth said his client Jaris Lovado, who calls herself Bianca, was incarcerated at the Surrey Pretrial Centre for five months last year before being moved to a women’s facility after filing multiple complaints.
The Justice Ministry tried to have Lovado’s complaint to the BC Human Rights Tribunal dismissed, but the tribunal ruled the case is worthy of a further hearing.
BC Corrections has a policy of housing inmates according to their self-identified gender unless health and safety concerns can’t be resolved.
The ministry told the tribunal that during a previous stay at the Alouette Correctional Centre for Women, Lovado engaged in inappropriate relationships with female inmates and posed a safety risk to women who may have experienced trauma.
It also said Lovado displayed a “male persona.”
“We don’t know exactly what that means,” Soiseth said.
Soiseth, who represents the Community Legal Assistance Society, said there was no evidence provided of any safety concerns and it’s not unusual for inmates to have relationships.
He said the main issue is that Lovado, who was serving time for fraud-related charges and breaching conditions of release, faced discrimination as a transgender person and her needs were not met until she complained.
Lovado was moved to the women’s facility in Maple Ridge last September after she agreed to meet behavioural expectations.
The tribunal’s written decision stated Alouette Correctional Centre initially declined to accept Lovado as a transfer based on information from BC Corrections that she’d been living in the community as a male.
The decision said an April 26, 2016, email from the deputy warden to the assistant warden at Surrey Pretrial said Lovado refused to be skin frisked by a male but that the deputy said Lovado should undergo that procedure because she had “all the equipment of a male.”
Lovado requested a “female Alouette Centre diet” while at Surrey Pretrial but was told that wasn’t possible, the ruling said. The tribunal noted BC Corrections branch did provide her with female underwear including bras and make-up from Alouette.
Corrections said in its application for dismissal that staff at the Surrey Pretrial Centre ensured Lovado was placed in areas where she could have adequate privacy.
“It says it also ensured Ms. Lovado’s physical and mental health-care needs were addressed in a timely manner,” the ruling said.
Lovado did not respond to requests for comment, and the Justice Ministry said it could not provide information until the election writ is returned.
— Follow @CamilleBains1 on Twitter
Hearing expected in B.C. human rights case involving transgender inmate
VANCOUVER – A lawyer for a transgender woman who was forced to stay in a men’s jail says his client hopes her human rights case against the British Columbia government will change policies for other inmates. Dan Soiseth said his client Jaris Lovado, who calls herself Bianca, was incarcerated at...
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There are a few levels of security, so he could be in minimum, medium, or high security. Minimum looks like summer camp. High security looks like a modern county jail with two levels of rooms/cells around an open area with tables and chairs.
According to the internet, pre-op trans inmates there don't have cellies.
JY's Tampon
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He's scheduled for this afternoon. 2pm PST.
Short Stack
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Does he even realize this isn't a game anymore, no do overs?
I'd be interested how much time he's spending on social media this morning prior to court?
I wouldn't put it past him to claim tranny tourettes, & the "I'm gonna fucking kill you" was just an outburst of that
Do we get a twatter tirade from him after court today, I'm gonna sue & all that shit?
I'd be interested how much time he's spending on social media this morning prior to court?
I wouldn't put it past him to claim tranny tourettes, & the "I'm gonna fucking kill you" was just an outburst of that
Do we get a twatter tirade from him after court today, I'm gonna sue & all that shit?
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It's going to be all administrative. I'm pretty sure there won't even be a plea. He'll get a date set. He may try and say something and then be promptly shut down by a "thank you, next."
His reactions to stress are interesting. As you said he tends to lash out like a manic retard and make matters worse. If I were in his position I would be completely withdrawn from society, social media, etc. I like to think I'm emotionally tough but that kind of stress would cripple me.... at least temporarily. Forgetting about the possibility of jail time for a moment, the financial expenses associated with a criminal charge would 100% keep me up at night - and I actually have a good job unlike JY. In Canada if you want a good lawyer you're looking at a min of $5k to defend yourself against a basic criminal charge. JY has multiple charges on his plate and I don't think he has $10K sitting around which is why he's stuck using a shitty public defender. That amount of unnecessary stress he's piled on is almost unfathomable to me.
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@Second Hand Syringe I totally agree, that many irons in the fire (cases) & he just keeps adding on more, with no thought of the ones he already has.
I'd have a siege mentality with a fraction of the shit he has going on.
Not our boy tho...he'll La-La thru all of it.
I'm at the point I don't want him to comes to grips with reality
I want reality dumped on him like an A bomb, repeated defeats for all his court actions.
& no doubt the ToL has lost patience with him.
I'd have a siege mentality with a fraction of the shit he has going on.
Not our boy tho...he'll La-La thru all of it.
I'm at the point I don't want him to comes to grips with reality
I want reality dumped on him like an A bomb, repeated defeats for all his court actions.
& no doubt the ToL has lost patience with him.
ComeGetSome
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Looks like JJYS or his representative has already had the matter carried over to Feb 17, with a request "For Particulars".
What does a request for particulars mean? Is that like a discovery?
Short Stack
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WTF? his trial for Keene starts the 19th I believe.
Look at the bright side tho...Just gives him more time to dig his hole deeper
& we know he will
Look at the bright side tho...Just gives him more time to dig his hole deeper
& we know he will
Oh damn, those are some serious seizures, very worried for its health being
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Used when a case has been adjourned for the purpose of defence receiving particulars of the case from the prosecutor.
Short Stack
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Who is his defense?
Court appointed I hope.
Is there a way to find out who his lawyer is?
So this would be like a discovery.
I'm wondering what, exactly, there is to discover here. Like I just can't fathom that there's anything like forensic evidence, so this just looks like fishing for dox on the victim. Unless, of course, the prosecutor is an honorary Kiwi and plans to throw the book at him for years of being a chomo grifter.
Is this shithead going to drag this to trial? It's pretty hard for him to say he didn't do this when he's on video doing it.
He can't possibly expect a trial, either bench or jury, to come to a happy ending for him.
Unless, of course, his idea of a happy ending is putting Elston through a mountain of hassle, personal costs to JY be damned.
Were he to be declared a vexatious litigant, would that affect his ability to drag something like this to trial?
And even without having been declared a vexatious litigant, can the judge be like "Okay, this trial is going to last three hours and it's going to be a bench trial because this is a huge fucking waste of everyone's time?"
I'm wondering what, exactly, there is to discover here. Like I just can't fathom that there's anything like forensic evidence, so this just looks like fishing for dox on the victim. Unless, of course, the prosecutor is an honorary Kiwi and plans to throw the book at him for years of being a chomo grifter.
Is this shithead going to drag this to trial? It's pretty hard for him to say he didn't do this when he's on video doing it.
He can't possibly expect a trial, either bench or jury, to come to a happy ending for him.
Unless, of course, his idea of a happy ending is putting Elston through a mountain of hassle, personal costs to JY be damned.
Were he to be declared a vexatious litigant, would that affect his ability to drag something like this to trial?
And even without having been declared a vexatious litigant, can the judge be like "Okay, this trial is going to last three hours and it's going to be a bench trial because this is a huge fucking waste of everyone's time?"
I think you've got a bingo. He's scammed so much money out of the gov't for so many years I don't think he even realizes the value of a dollar anymore - and I mean that literally. He probably hasn't worked a 40 hour week in his life.
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He wouldn't take it to jury trial? He'd be in his glory.
He seeks an audience. Remember him in front of the council.
"If you want to know why I'm in this wheelchair, it's because I have a brain tumor, I know...it sucks"
All those important people with their eyes on him.
He has a problem with keeping his mouth shut & not over talking judges
He got away with a lot of shit in the BCHRT cases that don't play well in big boy court.
I can see him doing cos play in the mirror
the Great Polly Mason Atty at Law, he can brag to his tic tok troop of his legal prowess
Only to go into court, start his play & get drug out in a straight jacket while screaming that they're all transphobes & he's gonna sue..
I vote jury trials for all, it could be quite entertaining
He seeks an audience. Remember him in front of the council.
"If you want to know why I'm in this wheelchair, it's because I have a brain tumor, I know...it sucks"
All those important people with their eyes on him.
He has a problem with keeping his mouth shut & not over talking judges
He got away with a lot of shit in the BCHRT cases that don't play well in big boy court.
I can see him doing cos play in the mirror
the Great Polly Mason Atty at Law, he can brag to his tic tok troop of his legal prowess
Only to go into court, start his play & get drug out in a straight jacket while screaming that they're all transphobes & he's gonna sue..
I vote jury trials for all, it could be quite entertaining
Not legal savvy in any shape or form and I'm probably being autistic with this but is PAR meaning that his lawyer (J Singh, that's gotta sting) is unfamiliar with the details of the case so is asking for time to "read up" ie yaniv's lawyer brought in at the last minute kind of thing.
It is a busy week, so I haven't caught up on comments. I will ask forgiveness here in advance.
A few things come to mind to say based on here and Meowmix.
-JJYS kicked the can forward. This is absolutely normal for a first appearance. Nobody should enter a plea until they gave spoken with council. No council should advise a plea until they've reviewed the charges. So normally a plea is reserved until a later date to give time to review.
-Discovery comes after the plea of Not Guilty, but before trial. The plea can, and often is, changed after discovery. But, it buys time, and it gives defense an idea of what cards they can play in a potential joint submission
-In Canada, jury trials are a Charter right under 11(f) of the Canadian Charter of Rights, but only for criminal charges that carry a prison term of 5 or more years.
-Crown will be proceeding by Summary. So, no Jury option.
Yaniv won't get a custodial sentence, but -iif convicted - he is building a criminal history. What you Americans call a Rap Sheet... it means that his file in the CPIC ( Canadian Police Information Centre) computer system grows. Every time he interacts with the police, they'll know his history. Further, The RCMP's Canadian Criminal Real Time Identification Services (CCRTIS) will also grow, and he won't be able to get any clearances. He won't even be able to serve booze in a restaurant.
A few things come to mind to say based on here and Meowmix.
-JJYS kicked the can forward. This is absolutely normal for a first appearance. Nobody should enter a plea until they gave spoken with council. No council should advise a plea until they've reviewed the charges. So normally a plea is reserved until a later date to give time to review.
-Discovery comes after the plea of Not Guilty, but before trial. The plea can, and often is, changed after discovery. But, it buys time, and it gives defense an idea of what cards they can play in a potential joint submission
-In Canada, jury trials are a Charter right under 11(f) of the Canadian Charter of Rights, but only for criminal charges that carry a prison term of 5 or more years.
-Crown will be proceeding by Summary. So, no Jury option.
Yaniv won't get a custodial sentence, but -iif convicted - he is building a criminal history. What you Americans call a Rap Sheet... it means that his file in the CPIC ( Canadian Police Information Centre) computer system grows. Every time he interacts with the police, they'll know his history. Further, The RCMP's Canadian Criminal Real Time Identification Services (CCRTIS) will also grow, and he won't be able to get any clearances. He won't even be able to serve booze in a restaurant.
What a disgrace Yaniv is to the LGBT community. Yaniv's got a lot of run-ins with the law. He gives every transgender a bad name. Rotten to the core, I'd say. That yee-yee ass dumpster fire with a sense of entitlement who gives fellow transgender people a bad name, try to gaslight other people and commit assault on them if he doesn't get his way.
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