Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

Hellbound Hellhound

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Let me be clear, I doubt many people will care that much about Peterson 50 years from now. However, I do think his fans will be around for some time, just to a much smaller degree. Towards the end of his life, Christopher Hitchens gained a large influx of fans from YouTube compilations of him posted at the height of atheism's popularity. Hitchens' fanbase survived far past his death, they're still around here and there, but they've largely moved on. The similarities between the atheists of last decade and Peterson's are obvious, and I think the longevity will be the same. Peterson's relevance will really start to wane in 1-2 years, he'll still be remembered in 10, but in 50 years he'll be a mostly obscure historical figure. He'll mostly be remembered in Canada for his involvement in academic scandals, but in America he'll probably be thought of in a similar light to how we remember A Course in Miracles or pyramid power today.
I think Hitchens was a far more interesting figure than Peterson. Take away the late-2000s online atheist craze entirely, and Hitchens was still one of the most incisive polemicists of his generation. Remove Peterson from the controversies surrounding pronouns and campus deplatforming however, and all you're really left with is banal self-help advice and performative moralizing. I don't think they're really comparable beyond the fact that they both managed to cultivate an obnoxious fan base. In terms of their intellectual contributions, Peterson is the Žižek to Hitchens' Chomsky.
Hellhound is right that Peterson was a flash in the pan, but that it happened unwittingly is false. He had been cultivating a media persona for decades and you can watch the old various attempts.
Peterson may have tried to court media attention for years before he achieved international fame, but I don't think the level of fame he ended up achieving was something he could have anticipated. He certainly took advantage of it after it happened, but I doubt it's something he could have planned.
 

BurningPewter

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I am not a follower of JP's, but I have friends who have fallen under his spell, and I feel like the "it's just banal regular self-help advice" misses the mark. From what little I have heard from youtube clips and friend's descriptions, JP's advice is Jungian and "Mythical" and "makes you feel like you're the hero in a fantasy story", as someone on reddit put it. I feel like a dismissal of "he's just a regular self help guru like Dr Phil" doesn't deal with how good his ...mindset/advice is ...at fascinating people and pulling them under his spell.
I mean, most regular self help stuff - "7 habits", "Power of now", "Secret of positive thinking" etc, isn't Jungian - and Jungian stuff does have a hold on people, I've read people who follow it like a religion even before JP became famous.
 

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Remove Peterson from the controversies surrounding pronouns and campus deplatforming however, and all you're really left with is banal self-help advice and performative moralizing. [...] Peterson is the Žižek to Hitchens' Chomsky.
Considering Peterson's mediocre record on free speech (the Faith Goldy incident; he rose to fame protesting compelled speech, not free speech) vs. Chomsky's strong record (the Faurisson affair) that analogy is perfect.

I often forget that Peterson is mostly known for his self-help stuff, I only ever knew him for his political relevance.
 

Mr E. Grifter

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I know someone just said it was the beginning of his downfall, but I peg it as a couple of months before that. His numbers were already declining and I don't think zizek debate got as much views as the munk debate a year earlier against a blogger and a sociology professor

Peterson initially declined in my opinion for two reasons, first because he became stale. He had a lot to say, but he was repeating an awful lot of stuff all the time. Not necessarily an issue, but there is only so many times one can listen to a man repeat himself before you stop listening.

Second, the fame got to his head. I remember watching his Biblical analysis where he would go on stage and speak about the Bible for hours and people would clap. However, it was just guff, stream of consciousness nonsense. Sam Harris pointed this out in their debate, and it's true - his interpretation is just that, interpretation. Ironically, Peterson warned - quite rightly - about how speakers and crowds interact. The speaker excites the crowd and visa versa and this is like a self-confirmatory feedback loop. Peterson liked people to clap for him, and all he had to do was open his mouth and people would clap - so eventually he would just saying anything for his little dopamine hit.

As a result the quality of what he put out declined. His lecture series, prior to going viral, is less flashy but the content is more interesting and grounded. He's not wandering about waving his arms giving a show, it's just a camera in his face and slides.

Obviously, the collapse came with the Benzos, and who knows whether this story about "paradoxical addiction" is true or an attempt to save face.

That said I do like Peterson, but he would have been much better served if he didn't blow up the way he did.
 
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Sweetpeaa

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Considering Peterson's mediocre record on free speech (the Faith Goldy incident; he rose to fame protesting compelled speech, not free speech) vs. Chomsky's strong record (the Faurisson affair) that analogy is perfect.

I often forget that Peterson is mostly known for his self-help stuff, I only ever knew him for his political relevance.

Not too mention Jordan did several interviews with ''the rebel'' and Gavin McInnes.
 

Lemmingwise

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Not too mention Jordan did several interviews with ''the rebel'' and Gavin McInnes.
I know you're just interested in fighting for the canadian left wing, but talking with journalist, whatever your thoughts on their quality, is generally a sign of pro free speech rather than the reverse.
 

Absolutego

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I am not a follower of JP's, but I have friends who have fallen under his spell, and I feel like the "it's just banal regular self-help advice" misses the mark. From what little I have heard from youtube clips and friend's descriptions, JP's advice is Jungian and "Mythical" and "makes you feel like you're the hero in a fantasy story", as someone on reddit put it. I feel like a dismissal of "he's just a regular self help guru like Dr Phil" doesn't deal with how good his ...mindset/advice is ...at fascinating people and pulling them under his spell.
I mean, most regular self help stuff - "7 habits", "Power of now", "Secret of positive thinking" etc, isn't Jungian - and Jungian stuff does have a hold on people, I've read people who follow it like a religion even before JP became famous.
JP's Jung spergery and any given reaction to it is actually a pretty useful indicator for who may have read 12 rules and thought it had some good points, and who are the autistic essayists who form his cult.
 

Sweetpeaa

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I know you're just interested in fighting for the canadian left wing, but talking with journalist, whatever your thoughts on their quality, is generally a sign of pro free speech rather than the reverse.

The rebel was almost a parody in its early beginnings, it was ever to be take seriously. Sun news and Michael Coren were fine.
 

Justtocheck

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Is there anyone Zizek doesn't loathe?

I think to not be loathed by him you need to be a person who dedicates his life to the pursuit of knowledge, not interested at all in monetary pursuits and with a predilection for banging 20 year old students. He'll give you a pass if you are like that, and probably will buy you a hotdog.
 

Elescondio20

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Not really interested in Petersons philosophy or book shilling just want to know why he of all people had such a strong internet push-back. I haven't seen him touch "scary" topics like race with a ten foot pool and when it does come it he pushes the same egalitarian stuff the left does. And I mean the people who have a problem with his teachings not his lolcow shit.
If i had to guess i'd say most people saw him as an easy target.... which he would be if it wasnt for his ability to form parasocial relationships
 

Justtocheck

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Given how quickly Peterson shut down his speech generator (pussy) I doubt that the estate would allow a publication that wasn't written by him. And it does have the Petersonian arrogance to match.

Beyond that, two things. One, I have zero simpaties for researchers who in this current climate don't cover their asses and play the political game. Second, this is just my observation but Hudlicky (lmao, hud-licky) looks like a complete kiddy diddler with that pedo moustache and creepy stare.

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Given how quickly Peterson shut down his speech generator (pussy) I doubt that the estate would allow a publication that wasn't written by him. And it does have the Petersonian arrogance to match.

Beyond that, two things. One, I have zero simpaties for researchers who in this current climate don't cover their asses and play the political game. Second, this is just my observation but Hudlicky (lmao, hud-licky) looks like a complete kiddy diddler with that pedo moustache and creepy stare.

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He looks like the creepy lovechild of Neil Breen and Edward James Olmos.
 

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