Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed

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Perhaps this is the perfect time for Yaniv to get attention.
BC is pretty distant from Ontario (their parties are even all backwards), but I would be hopeful about this potentially setting off a chain reaction that leads to other provinces also killing their fake courts.

http://webarchive.loc.gov/all/20130105111536/http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/06/07/jonathan-kay-good-riddance-to-section-13-of-the-canadian-human-rights-act/#
For decades, Canadians had meekly submitted to a system of administrative law that potentially made de facto criminals out of anyone with politically incorrect views about women, gays, or racial and religious minority groups. All that was required was a complainant (often someone with professional ties to the CHRC itself) willing to sign his name to a piece of paper, claim he was offended, and then collect his cash winnings at the end of the process. The system was bogus and corrupt. But very few Canadians wanted to be seen as posturing against policies that were branded under the aegis of “human rights.”
This was regarding the now-defunct """hate speech""" section of the commission, the fact that Yaniv (and other lawfare goblins, some of which are members of the tribunals themselves) can harass businesses for free is proof that the rest of it also needs to go.
 
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lowkey

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...abolishing the human rights commission? Can I please get an explanation of how this isn't 'legalise-slavery'-tier Bad Idea, because I know Peterson isn't THAT crazy.
You have to decouple what the name says and what the actual organization does.

E.g.
My organization of puppy cuddlers says that every puppy has the same puppy rights. For this my organization receives state funding to independantly research.

Pretty cool, huh?

puppy.jpg


Certainly any group that seeks to silence or abolish us must clearly hate puppies and think that puppies don't deserve cuddles.

Oh and we've been able to convict numerous people for saying hateful things like "I don't really like puppies, I won't get one". Certainly every canadian home must have minimum of three puppies and anyone that disagres are hateful antipuppers. They should be put in jail without due process. And we've been granted the power to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commission_free_speech_controversy

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This isn't an attack on the Canadian Human Rights Commission, I don't know enough about the latter to do so, or how accurate the wikipedia page is I just linked. I tend to be rather apprehensive trusting wikipedia, knowing how some of those articles get written. But in any case, look further than the name and stated intent before you think an organisation must be a force for good by definition.
 
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This isn't an attack on the Canadian Human Rights Commission, I don't know enough about the latter to do so, or how accurate the wikipedia page is I just linked. I tend to be rather apprehensive trusting wikipedia, knowing how some of those articles get written. But in any case, look further than the name and stated intent before you think an organisation must be a force for good by definition.
The HRC is what you get hauled to if you say a naughty mean word or tell an off-color joke.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/mark-hemingway/canadian-human-rights-commission-fines-comedian-15-000-for-insulting-audience-member

Peterson is not wrong on this issue. At all.


He's answered that before, and this goes to various similar discussions in this thread.

People try to box him in and pin labels on him for ease of dismissal. He doesn't let them do that easily and it drives them crazy.

What they want is something like this. "Do you believe it god?" "Yes." "So you hate gay people and believe in an invisible sky man that heals the sick if you prey enough."
What they get is something like this. "Do you believe in god?" "That depends on what you mean by god, and what you mean by believe." "...Fuck you lobster nazi!" Then the clip appears in a dozen YouTube 'pwning the libs' compilations.
No, people have a general idea of "god," it doesn't need to be a bearded man in the sky, but at least some sort of divine, cosmic intelligence with intentionality and purpose. An actual entity of sorts. By believe, one means "think is true," or in this case, thinks such an entity is actually instantiated in reality. That's what people mean when they say "real," ya dummy Peterson, they mean physically instantiated in reality in some way. Not some hypothetical, not some symbol or "archetype," not some metaphor.

The question "do you believe in god" very well may require some elaboration (what is a god, exactly? what does omnipotence entail, exactly? Can a god make square circles, or is that just a nonsensical feature of language that a god would be "bound" by?) but anyone with clarity to their thinking can summarize their view in a couple of sentences. Peterson can't, because his thinking is completely muddled and incoherent. He can't find the words to explain it, but he has such a feeling of certainty that he probably feels his views are very complex and he can't find the words to communicate with them with. General rule of thumb, if you cannot communicate your idea, it's probably not very well thought out or coherent. Even a scientist can summarize aspects of quantum mechanics for a layman.

The issue is trying to pin Peterson down on what exactly he believes and what makes him a Christian. Peterson's not a pathological liar or trying to manipulate people, he's steeped in the psychoanalytic world of symbols and metaphor and it makes him just plain exceptional. Unfortunately, the people that debate Peterson tend to be idiots that don't know how to define their terms, so Peterson can be slippery on this. I suspect Peterson is actually what most people would say is an atheist or agnostic, but believes very strongly in Christianity as a social, cultural and moral phenomenon.

Peterson is extremely confused and severely lacks clarity in his thinking. The problem is, both he and his fans mistake that for depth and sophistication.
 

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Oh look I'm back on this shit heap of a thread slowly going absolutely nowhere. I did notice the god question though and it's a great example of why I don't like the rambling lobster. His refusal to give straight answers as opposed to just keeping his mouth shut. If he says 'I don't want to answer the question' then whatever. Instead he crawls as far as he can up his own ass spewing word salad. It's like the agnostic thing. Agnosticism isn't a position in and of itself so you can't answer 'do you believe in god?' with 'I'm an agnostic'.
This third option bullshit where a question isn't neither answered nor rejected but instead 'justifiably dismissed' (I don't know a proper term for it) gets on my nerves. The response attempts justify ignoring the question so that the questionee still comes out on top. 'I won't answer your question because you might strawman me after'. Fuck off.
I know why he does it but I don't know why his supporters consider it a good trait.
 

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These people are so old-fashioned. Don't they know we solve things with MMA matches nowadays?


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>tweeting out and using Facebook to sarcastically bring up a video you definitely don’t care about
Holy shit maybe Sargon got to him and spread some of his cow into him. That’s too reactive for something that came from a small ethnonationalist channel.

I smell blood in the water.
 

lowkey

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Pretty interesting at 1:20:10

The first Canadian has been dragged into court for misgendering someone, Bill Whatcott, and may be facing a fine of $500.000

Bill Whatcott said exactly what Peterson said: "I'm not doing it!" (referring to compelled speech of pronouns)

Weirdly, even the prosecution frequently accidently misgenders the person involved.
Conversely, the defendant was frequently stopped during the trial for misgendering the person and was threatened an additional penalty of $35.000 per misgendering.

The creator of the video, Resurrection Europa has shared the details of this case with Peterson more than a month ago and Peterson has not called attention to this case.
 
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Bleachedanoos

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Pretty interesting at 1:20:10

The first Canadian has been dragged into court for misgendering someone, Bill Whatcott, and may be facing a fine of $500.000

Bill Whatcott said exactly what Peterson said: "I'm not doing it!" (referring to compelled speech of pronouns)

Weirdly, even the prosecution frequently accidently misgenders the person involved.
Conversely, the defendant was frequently stopped during the trial for misgendering the person and was threatened an additional penalty of $35.000 per misgendering.

The creator of the video, Resurrection Europa has shared the details of this case with Peterson more than a month ago and Peterson has not called attention to this case.
Not a trial it's an arbitration, meaning no legal precedent, no defense lawyer, it's just a committee of fat kikes taking random lumps of money out of your pocket. The fact that they are given extrajudicial power, and are funded by the tax payer is just fucking ridiculous. It needs to be nuked from Earth and any similar tribunal as well.
 

lowkey

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Not a trial it's an arbitration, meaning no legal precedent, no defense lawyer,
He seems to have had a lawyer present:

At one point, the proceedings seemed to veer toward comedy when Quail’s objections to Whatcott’s lawyer “misgendering” Oger during cross-examination were followed by one Tribunal member, Norman Trerise, himself referring to Oger as “he.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/activist-accused-of-misgendering-political-candidate-stands-his-ground-befo
 

Bleachedanoos

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A lawyer can show up for anything doesn't make it a trial.
Rather than a trial it's a tribunal, maybe arbitration was a bad word choice because that implies an objective observer .
There's no legal precedent . Just greedy goblinesque Jews clutching their hands together waiting to steal your money. Also abolish hate crimes, and other mind reader crimes .
 

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A lawyer can show up for anything doesn't make it a trial.
Rather than a trial it's a tribunal, maybe arbitration was a bad word choice because that implies an objective observer .
There's no legal precedent . Just greedy goblinesque Jews clutching their hands together waiting to steal your money. Also abolish hate crimes, and other mind reader crimes .
Is there anything that doesn't lead back to Jews?
 

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As a millenial man, I love being told I'm a worthless pussy by some 90 pound kermit voiced dweeb who gets teary over feminism in disney movies.



Holy shit I'm laughing so hard, I never made the connection, but that's so apt. Peterson's word games aren't impressive. He's not as smart as he or his fans thinks he is. Peterson: Renegade Angel indeed. I wonder if he plays the shakashuri?

This reminds of again of Dawkins's The God Delusion. People, including Peterson specifically, criticize Dawkins on a variety of grounds, most of them having nothing to do with what he set out to do in the book or actual things Dawkins has said. Peterson insulted Dawkins, saying that he was refuting a six year old's version of god (which itself is bullshit, both today and historically) when Dawkins both specifically went out of his way in the book to start off defining in a general way what he meant by "god" and everything AND specifically leaving out people exactly like Peterson, who is of a certain type of "intellectual." Dawkins himself specifically says he's not sure what they actually do believe, but he's probably not addressing them.

Peterson needs to cut the crap, people have a general sense of what a "god" is and everyone knows what "believe" means here. This isn't a cause for splitting hairs. Maybe there is a discussion between what exactly a god is and what omnipotence entails but almost nobody in the world believes in their god or gods as some grand literary metaphor.

And these new Christian "intellectuals" that talk about how great Jesus was make me roll my eyes, all that morality was hammered out by philosophers way before Jesus was born. Jesus would've been impressive if he preached against stuff like slavery, but he didn't.

Peterson's not a bad guy or anything, he means well, but it's pretty sad that this is what we have to rally ourselves behind if we hate the social justice bullshit. No wonder intersectional left is only gaining ground...
 

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Holy shit I'm laughing so hard, I never made the connection, but that's so apt. Peterson's word games aren't impressive. He's not as smart as he or his fans thinks he is. Peterson: Renegade Angel indeed. I wonder if he plays the shakashuri?

This reminds of again of Dawkins's The God Delusion. People, including Peterson specifically, criticize Dawkins on a variety of grounds, most of them having nothing to do with what he set out to do in the book or actual things Dawkins has said. Peterson insulted Dawkins, saying that he was refuting a six year old's version of god (which itself is bullshit, both today and historically) when Dawkins both specifically went out of his way in the book to start off defining in a general way what he meant by "god" and everything AND specifically leaving out people exactly like Peterson, who is of a certain type of "intellectual." Dawkins himself specifically says he's not sure what they actually do believe, but he's probably not addressing them.

Peterson needs to cut the crap, people have a general sense of what a "god" is and everyone knows what "believe" means here. This isn't a cause for splitting hairs. Maybe there is a discussion between what exactly a god is and what omnipotence entails but almost nobody in the world believes in their god or gods as some grand literary metaphor.

And these new Christian "intellectuals" that talk about how great Jesus was make me roll my eyes, all that morality was hammered out by philosophers way before Jesus was born. Jesus would've been impressive if he preached against stuff like slavery, but he didn't.

Peterson's not a bad guy or anything, he means well, but it's pretty sad that this is what we have to rally ourselves behind if we hate the social justice bullshit. No wonder intersectional left is only gaining ground...
What doth being greeuhn?

He's a stupid person's idea of a smart person. Or more specifically what a dunning krueger case, who thinks he's a galaxy brain intellectual because he can recognize that concepts like "autigender" are exceptional, believes the great philosophers must've been like.

Of course there are lots of bonafide reactionary thinkers to form your beliefs around, but internet radicals don't read shit, beyond the clickbait they like getting intentionally mad at. "Solsheneetsun huh? Cool, I'm a NEET too!"
 
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I came across this little gem of a video just now.

Now before you watch it, I want you to give you a question with a multiple choice answer.

What would be the simplest way to stop watching porn?

A) Turn off the television.

B) Do like your mom advised and get the fuck out of the house and get a job.

C) Think about puppies and white picket fences.

D) Pay the good doctor Peterson $29.95 (plus tax) for a self-help course you could have done yourself for the cost of a few sheets of paper and a pencil.

Sound gud? Now keep your answer in mind before you press play. Have fun.

BTW the comment section is gold also.
 

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