Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed

Steamboat_Bill

Going to beat the record of the Robert E. Lee
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I have never said that the status quo shouldn't be upset. My point was that Peterson doesn't seem to think it should be.
I didn't mean that in response to you, but to Peterson.

It makes one wonder, however, what sort of status quo Peterson is trying to get people to accept. The status quo of today is different from the one of fifty years ago - and why? Because people didn't decide to just accept it, but went out and did something about it.

All in all, you are right that what he's advocating doesn't solve anything.
 

Hellbound Hellhound

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I didn't mean that in response to you, but to Peterson.

It makes one wonder, however, what sort of status quo Peterson is trying to get people to accept. The status quo of today is different from the one of fifty years ago - and why? Because people didn't decide to just accept it, but went out and did something about it.

All in all, you are right that what he's advocating doesn't solve anything.
I get the impression that Peterson values order more than anything else, and obviously anyone who is brazen about wanting to subvert the existing order of things poses a threat to that value. You can see this in the way that he positions himself against groups like progressives, the alt-right, and outspoken atheists. He never seems to go after people who extol the virtues of the status quo, only ever those who seek to disrupt it in some way.

He's a bit like a mealy-mouthed Buckleyesque conservative in this regard. He's one of those who will pretend that there is some profound wisdom in opposing any radical change, but then once the change has happened, will act like it was their idea all along.
 

GranDuke

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Good point on Peterson's "non-solution" and I guess this is major problem with conservatives in general.

I remember watching some time ago a video by some conservative about why left always wins and there were some usual arguments about evil, degeneracy and all that and well I don't think that it matters at all. Problem in my opinion is that most conservatives don't have any "ideas", they think that yesterday was perfect and we should try to keep it that way. You can see with their slow shift from "gays are evil" to "gays must be protected from bigoted Muslims" and many other things that initially were pushed by the left. Once something gets established they start thinking that it must be preserved.

So you know, you can't win when you are essentially not playing by not putting forth any new ideas.
 

BR55

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I get the impression that Peterson values order more than anything else, and obviously anyone who is brazen about wanting to subvert the existing order of things poses a threat to that value. You can see this in the way that he positions himself against groups like progressives, the alt-right, and outspoken atheists. He never seems to go after people who extol the virtues of the status quo, only ever those who seek to disrupt it in some way.

He's a bit like a mealy-mouthed Buckleyesque conservative in this regard. He's one of those who will pretend that there is some profound wisdom in opposing any radical change, but then once the change has happened, will act like it was their idea all along.
So he's basically a hybrid of a basic bitch National Review Cuckservative and a basic bitch yuppie Neoliberal...Sounds about right.
 
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Absolutego

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This is going to be the most untelligible discussion

Calling it now:

PETERSON: "That depends on what you mean by "and sho forth and sho on"
That would make it a repeat of his appearance on Sam Harris' podcast, where the two of them went on a tangent debating the meaning of truth for 45 minutes.
 

Medicated

Not the fun kind
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His answers concerning climate change are a perfect illustration of this: he basically says that it is better not to worry about it and focus on your own life than it is to upset the status quo, no matter how urgently the status quo may need upsetting.
That's why I think this whole celebrity has gone to his head. He's a clinical psych, he had some good points about responsibility, since in this day in age everyone seems to want to pass on responsibility, nothings their fault, it's racism, or the patriarchy, or victim blaming. Then for some reason he's being asked about climate change and economics and politics. And now he can't help himself but sperg his poorly informed canadian opinions. Like just shut up, you're just giving ammo to people who didn't like you the moment they saw you.
 

The best and greatest

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Oh Jordan...For a jungian psychologist he seems pretty unaware of his own shadow. He started off fine, but overtime I feel he became more and more influenced by the people around him, especially his audience (And tbh I think the leftists he interacted with were partially responsible.) I think he has grown accustomed to their attention and that now he has it he is reluctant to go against the grain of the audience that upholds and supports him. For all his talk of the strength and virtue of the individual now he's become a banner for THEIR ideas more so than a free thinking advocate for anything, just another talking head on the screen.
 

66andtwothirds

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oh boy he sperged big time on being uninvited from Cambridge.


"I wish them the continued decline in relevance over the next few decades that they deeply and profoundly and diligently work toward and deserve. "

Yes, Jordan, 800-year-old institution and one of if not the most prestigious universities ever is going to become irrelevant because a goofy 60 year old neocon isn't going to spend a few months there. lmao
 

Steamboat_Bill

Going to beat the record of the Robert E. Lee
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oh boy he sperged big time on being uninvited from Cambridge.


"I wish them the continued decline in relevance over the next few decades that they deeply and profoundly and diligently work toward and deserve. "

Yes, Jordan, 800-year-old institution and one of if not the most prestigious universities ever is going to become irrelevant because a goofy 60 year old neocon isn't going to spend a few months there. lmao
I'm sure the people at Cambridge are shaking in their boots at that devastating comeback.
 

GenderCop

Friendly neighborhood gender cop
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Oh Jordan...For a jungian psychologist he seems pretty unaware of his own shadow. He started off fine, but overtime I feel he became more and more influenced by the people around him, especially his audience (And tbh I think the leftists he interacted with were partially responsible.) I think he has grown accustomed to their attention and that now he has it he is reluctant to go against the grain of the audience that upholds and supports him. For all his talk of the strength and virtue of the individual now he's become a banner for THEIR ideas more so than a free thinking advocate for anything, just another talking head on the screen.
yes & its funny since this is also what happened to the feminists he criticizes. when things actually got 'better' for women, they couldn't admit it or their jobs/status as radicals was at stake.

so they kept on & on, 'microaggressions' & #metoo & now its all victimology since no other place for it to go.

but like with most things, they started with good points & valid criticisms that needed addressing at the time. now they say goofy shit like " hijabs are feminist" that's how totally fucked up it all is.... & if peterson doesn't get a grip, he's gonna start sounding just exactly that back-asswards. (as we say in the south)

edit: the canadian love of order gonna bury their asses. glad i'm in the land of no-order, because the maple-leaf regimentation is starting to give me the major creeps.
 

The best and greatest

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yes & its funny since this is also what happened to the feminists he criticizes. when things actually got 'better' for women, they couldn't admit it or their jobs/status as radicals was at stake.
Exactly! It's like that joke Bo Burnham made about rape whistles.
now they say goofy shit like " hijabs are feminist" that's how totally fucked up it all is.... & if peterson doesn't get a grip, he's gonna start sounding just exactly that back-asswards. (as we say here in the south)
I think it's a little late for that to be honest. If he had played more patiently earlier on and had been more careful who he associated himself with when cultivating his initial following then maybe things would've hashed out differently.
 

White Devil's Advocate

The Rock n'Roller outta controller
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oh boy he sperged big time on being uninvited from Cambridge.


"I wish them the continued decline in relevance over the next few decades that they deeply and profoundly and diligently work toward and deserve. "

Yes, Jordan, 800-year-old institution and one of if not the most prestigious universities ever is going to become irrelevant because a goofy 60 year old neocon isn't going to spend a few months there. lmao
" We should respect the institution now and forever. The institution is order. The institution is love." - Jordan Peterson

" How dare you disinvite me institution?‽ Burn down the institution!!! REEEE!!!" - Also Jordan Peterson
 

BlastDoors41

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Oh Jordan...For a jungian psychologist he seems pretty unaware of his own shadow. He started off fine, but overtime I feel he became more and more influenced by the people around him, especially his audience (And tbh I think the leftists he interacted with were partially responsible.) I think he has grown accustomed to their attention and that now he has it he is reluctant to go against the grain of the audience that upholds and supports him. For all his talk of the strength and virtue of the individual now he's become a banner for THEIR ideas more so than a free thinking advocate for anything, just another talking head on the screen.

Peterson is not really a Jungian at all.
His speciality was addiction.

Peterson is willing to share what he knows about Jung quite readily and that gives him the veneer of expertise on things that he has at best a mediocre understanding of.

You can’t base your entire approach to life around a thin slice of human history that was highly localized at the time.
 

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