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Caligula, the Roman emperor. Gaius Germanicus. He was actually an excellent emperor for the first 6 months or so of his reign. No one really remembers that part.
To be fair, Caligula's family history had it's own madness and the elite of Rome were notorious for assassinating each other or executing each for for literally any reason. "Oh, their villa has a better garden than mine? OMG they're traitors and plotting the Emperor's demise!" "Oh shit, I slept with [insert blood relative] and if people find out, I'm gonna get killed or exiled! I either need to get my relative killed, or kill those know about it." Shit, Caligula's sister Agrippina (who was also the mother of Nero), slept not only with Caligula before he was emperor and during his reign (though Caligula definitely was the one who initiated), she also managed to get the next emperor, Claudius' (who was her uncle) wife Messalina (who was an evil bitch herself) to be executed for being a huge whore (though she was). Then she married her uncle, and eventually poisoned him and his son, so that way she could get Nero on the throne.

Also, Caligula's first years were spent on a battlefield with his father, and Caligula would have been probably exposed to seeing actual battles and other violent things that happen during war. Then his father got poisoned because Tiberius viewed him as a political rival, and wouldn't let Caligula's mother remarry for fear that her new husband would also be a rival. Blah blah blah, his brothers get murdered, and his mother banished then killed along with her brother, and he and his sisters (of whom he'd later have sex with) are all that's left of the family. Tiberius spares him and takes Caligula under his wing. It has been noted that during this time, Caligula could be extremely cruel and vicious, and it was obvious that he was resentful of Tiberius, but was very good at hiding it. Blah blah blah, Tiberius dies, Caligula becomes the Emperor.

Now, while it may seem that Caligula was a good emperor in the beginning, but you have to remember that people were sick of Tiberius, and like when any new regime comes after a terrible one, people are ecstatic for their new leader. And most of Caligula's actions in his first months of being emperor was hugely political, not because he was benevolent. He was mostly concerned with gaining support and loyalty and to seem like he would be a different emperor than Tiberius. While he might have been insane, he could also have just been a product of how the elite were at the time and also his own upbringing, drunk on the unlimited power he had as emperor, and was a fucking degenerate that was never challenged nor told to stop.

As of yet, I have yet to hear anyone radically become a fucking lunatic psychopathic degenerate like Caligula simply because of being poisoned (though it's possible he had lead poisoning, though that would be due to the aqueducts being built with lead, not due to someone poisoning him personally, and he wouldn't have been as mentally cognizant as he was). Also his nephew, Nero, rivaled him in his absolute psychopathy and degeneracies, but Nero's mother, Agrippina, was just as ruthless and violent as Caligula. So I kind of tend to believe that psychopathy (and the horrible environment that was the elite in ancient Rome) just ran in the family, and Caligula's poisoning or perhaps illness, made him decide to fully live out his psychopathic degeneracy.

Sorry for the sperg, but I absolutely love ancient Roman and Greek history.)

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Kevin, you are not a barren woman. You're a barren man who made himself that way because you took your fetish way too far and chopped off your cock to get a hole that is now closing up because you can't even maintain it, yet still try to convince other stupid men to do the same. I thank every deity known to man, still relevant and not, that you have been taken out of the gene pool.
 

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If some carnie did, in fact, teach him about the ~evils of capitalism~ as a teenager, it obviously didn’t stick. As recently as 3 years ago, Phil was a radical libertarian and a pretty big fan of capitalism. He even includes a big ol’ ancap flag as one of the last pictures in his third blog post.
I’ve noticed that Phil’s sister, Dahnell/Dolly Logue, was mentioned upthread. Phil has mentioned owning his own home before, and in the second blog post, he says that “me and my sister bought a duplex together”.
Based on some research, I think that Dahnell might be this sister. Based on some public record searches (1, 2), it looks like both Phil and Dahnell used to reside at 6300 e 65th Avenue, Commerce City, CO (which is, in fact, a duplex). If they did co-own it, it sounds like a tenants-in-common type situation, where Dahnell lived in unit A, Phil lived in unit B, and they (presumably) split the expenses like roommates.
Checking the property record for the duplex, it was purchased in 2009, which is around the time Phil left the military. However, it was purchased, ostensibly, by Walter Logue and Anahid Katchian, not Phil and Dahnell. Also, while Phil has claimed in the past to have sold his house to fund the ranch, the sale to Walt and Anahid in 2009 is the last recorded sale of the property.
 
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Metal Queer
Metal Queer 2: Tranny snake
Metal Queer Solid 1: The cut snakes
Metal Queer Solid 2: Hons of liberty
Metal Queer Solid 3: Snake eater (no change needed)
Metal Queer Solid 4: Guns of the Faggots
Metal Queer Solid 5: Pound Zero
Metal Queer Solid 5: The Phantom Penis
---------- Portable/Non cannon--------------
Metal Queer solid: Troon babel
Metal Queer solid: Pennys revenge
Metal Queer Rising: Rape Vengeance
Metal Queer Solid: Tranny Ops
Metal Queer Solid: Penis Chopper
 

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If some carnie did, in fact, teach him about the ~evils of capitalism~ as a teenager, it obviously didn’t stick. As recently as 3 years ago, Phil was a radical libertarian and a pretty big fan of capitalism. He even includes a big ol’ ancap flag as one of the last pictures in his third blog post.
I’ve noticed that Phil’s sister, Dahnell/Dolly Logue, was mentioned upthread. Phil has mentioned owning his own home before, and in the second blog post, he says that “me and my sister bought a duplex together”.
Based on some research, I think that Dahnell might be this sister. Based on some public record searches (1, 2), it looks like both Phil and Dahnell used to reside at 6300 e 65th Avenue, Commerce City, CO (which is, in fact, a duplex). If they did co-own it, it sounds like a tenants-in-common type situation, where Dahnell lived in unit A, Phil lived in unit B, and they (presumably) split the expenses like roommates.
Checking the property record for the duplex, it was purchased in 2009, which is around the time Phil left the military. However, it was purchased, ostensibly, by Walter Logue and Anahid Katchian, not Phil and Dahnell. Also, while Phil has claimed in the past to have sold his house to fund the ranch, the sale to Walt and Anahid in 2009 is the last recorded sale of the property.

Excellent autism. We should keep a deeper track on Penny/Philip lore.


Phil is an anarchist still and leftist but posts pretty coherently in ideology for modern stuff. Nothing that's absolute dogshit in terms of ideological inconsistencies (aka like troons who are nazis, troons who libertarians but want government appointed vaginas, troons who are for interdemensional communism )

He seems to be a true leftist that is more traditional in the sense of gun rights are minority rights, abortion is a womans choice, give healthcare, proletariat vs bourgeoisie. Lots of politispergging.

Doesn't one of them claim to be an American Indian?
Bonnie's parents are allegedly immigrants from Peru
 

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Did anyone else cry at the end of Metal Queer Solid 4: Guns of the faggots When Tranny snake Killed Himself so he wouldnt become a carrier for the Super AIDS Revolver cockcelot and the rest of the faggots gave him in metal Queer Solid 1 That game was my childhood
 

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Oop, might've gotten Bonnie Nelson too.

The whitepages for current tranch address lists four residents: Penellope Dihana Logue, Sky Nils-Erik Nelson
... and also a Margarita R. Mendoza (60s) and Paul A. Mendoza (30s). Interestingly, if you click through to see more, both Paul and Sky lived in Massapequa NY, West Babylon NY, and Livermore CO...

And there's no record of a Margarita Mendoza living in CO, despite her being on the residents list. Didn't Bonnie mention something about his mom having to help him sign onto the lease? Also, can't get it to load, but there are two websites if you google ["sky nelson" "paul mendoza"] that list them both as living at 920 Deer Meadow Way Livermore, CO 80536 along with our favourite Kathryn Gibes... Which is actually identified in this post, which is the only other mention of Paul Mendoza so I'm assuming no one's made the link before.

Tracing the Paul/Sky connection continues to be circumstantial - though there's this page that has them both donating $105 to Bernie 2020 on 03/29/2019 from New York, zip code 11710. Sky is listed as "THS/CNA",; Paul is listed as "Visiting nurse service and hospice of/home aide". He only left for the Tranch in August 2019, so that works chronologically. Google also suggests that "THS CNA" could be "Texas Health School Certified Nursing Assistant"; if you search "Paul Mendoza nurse new york", you get this page which lists a Paul Mendoza as a "Tx [treatment] Medicaid Reclamation at Texas Health Network · New York City", which... sounds remarkably similar to Texas Health School. So it sounds like they met at work...

Also, the Sky Nelson who lives at Westcliffe CO also seems to be a Certified Nursing assistant, which is one hell of a coincidence (you'll have to scroll down to find him; photos as archive).
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And if you search that 179 N Wyoming Ave address? Who should show up, but Paul and Margarita Mendoza, on the residents list.


It's odd, though, because the only Earth Nelson on Facebook, who just happens to live in Stony Point NY, has a Sky Nelson as his facebook friend who is... clearly not our Sky?? Seems to be a functional human being with a decent job, hobbies, and a family. Mysterious. Though, another page for the Nelson's house (lost the link, whoops, I promise it exists) doesn't list an Earth Nelson - so it might either be a joke account of Sky's who added the other Sky Nelson because it was funny, or some other elemental Nelson who lives in Stony Point. Either way, here's the only face picture from the Earth Nelson account - can't remember if we've ever seen Sky, but...
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I don't have a whitepages premium, so I can't get any more than that (and I don't have a fake FB so can't archive the Earth Nelson thing), but I'm pretty sure Paul A. Mendoza is Bonnie and Margarita is his mom. And also he apparently hasn't legally changed his name? Weird.

Okay, here's where it gets weird and also kind of worrying- Searching for Magarita Mendoza in New York gives the address 1040 Wellwood Ave West Babylon NY, though the only website that will verify this doesn't give the exact house number; others will provide it, but again a bunch of them won't let me connect to the server. It also mentions she's lived in Massapequa too, so score one for us at probably having got the right house and right Sky/Paul connection. Paul A. Mendoza (aka probably Bonnie) is also registered there.

But the other thing that comes up, is this: a sex offender registry alert! For one Luis Mendoza (mentioned in the above link as residing alongside Margarita and Paul), living at 1040 Wellwood Ave convicted in 2016 for repeated sexual contact with a 7yo girl. Note the "Luis H Mendoza" under aliases, and the "Luis H Mendoza" on the whitepages for the Paul Mendoza who currently lives in Westcliffe CO and used to live in West Babylon NY, shown below. Also note, back in the first bit where one of Sky's addresses threw up the Mendozas as living there, that Luis was listed as living there too.
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No idea if Luis is a brother, or a dad, or if I'm barking entirely up the wrong tree - but it might explain some of Bonnie's downer on his family.
 

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Did anyone else cry at the end of Metal Queer Solid 4: Guns of the faggots When Tranny snake Killed Himself so he wouldnt become a carrier for the Super AIDS Revolver cockcelot and the rest of the faggots gave him in metal Queer Solid 1 That game was my childhood

MQS3 is when Boss became a dead name and lost to history and snake trooned and took her name as his own. Also Snake Eater is the song that plays when you climb the long ladder out of the amhole.


Fallout Tranch Edition.

Fallout: 3 with your charachter the Lone Honderer
Fallout: New Vagina, your charachter the Whorier
Fallout: 4 and your charachter the Hole Survivor
Fallout 69


I feel the Tranch is in also Fallout: New Vagina
A bunch of loon men sperging about alpacas that are fucking mutants that will shoot you on site if you dont pass a speech check. Intelligence does not work on them because no logic only coom and paranoia.
 

Meiwaku

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Oop, might've gotten Bonnie Nelson too.

The whitepages for current tranch address lists four residents: Penellope Dihana Logue, Sky Nils-Erik Nelson
... and also a Margarita R. Mendoza (60s) and Paul A. Mendoza (30s). Interestingly, if you click through to see more, both Paul and Sky lived in Massapequa NY, West Babylon NY, and Livermore CO...

And there's no record of a Margarita Mendoza living in CO, despite her being on the residents list. Didn't Bonnie mention something about his mom having to help him sign onto the lease? Also, can't get it to load, but there are two websites if you google ["sky nelson" "paul mendoza"] that list them both as living at 920 Deer Meadow Way Livermore, CO 80536 along with our favourite Kathryn Gibes... Which is actually identified in this post, which is the only other mention of Paul Mendoza so I'm assuming no one's made the link before.

Tracing the Paul/Sky connection continues to be circumstantial - though there's this page that has them both donating $105 to Bernie 2020 on 03/29/2019 from New York, zip code 11710. Sky is listed as "THS/CNA",; Paul is listed as "Visiting nurse service and hospice of/home aide". He only left for the Tranch in August 2019, so that works chronologically. Google also suggests that "THS CNA" could be "Texas Health School Certified Nursing Assistant"; if you search "Paul Mendoza nurse new york", you get this page which lists a Paul Mendoza as a "Tx [treatment] Medicaid Reclamation at Texas Health Network · New York City", which... sounds remarkably similar to Texas Health School. So it sounds like they met at work...

Also, the Sky Nelson who lives at Westcliffe CO also seems to be a Certified Nursing assistant, which is one hell of a coincidence (you'll have to scroll down to find him; photos as archive).
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And if you search that 179 N Wyoming Ave address? Who should show up, but Paul and Margarita Mendoza, on the residents list.


It's odd, though, because the only Earth Nelson on Facebook, who just happens to live in Stony Point NY, has a Sky Nelson as his facebook friend who is... clearly not our Sky?? Seems to be a functional human being with a decent job, hobbies, and a family. Mysterious. Though, another page for the Nelson's house (lost the link, whoops, I promise it exists) doesn't list an Earth Nelson - so it might either be a joke account of Sky's who added the other Sky Nelson because it was funny, or some other elemental Nelson who lives in Stony Point. Either way, here's the only face picture from the Earth Nelson account - can't remember if we've ever seen Sky, but...
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I don't have a whitepages premium, so I can't get any more than that (and I don't have a fake FB so can't archive the Earth Nelson thing), but I'm pretty sure Paul A. Mendoza is Bonnie and Margarita is his mom. And also he apparently hasn't legally changed his name? Weird.

Okay, here's where it gets weird and also kind of worrying- Searching for Magarita Mendoza in New York gives the address 1040 Wellwood Ave West Babylon NY, though the only website that will verify this doesn't give the exact house number; others will provide it, but again a bunch of them won't let me connect to the server. It also mentions she's lived in Massapequa too, so score one for us at probably having got the right house and right Sky/Paul connection. Paul A. Mendoza (aka probably Bonnie) is also registered there.

But the other thing that comes up, is this: a sex offender registry alert! For one Luis Mendoza (mentioned in the above link as residing alongside Margarita and Paul), living at 1040 Wellwood Ave convicted in 2016 for repeated sexual contact with a 7yo girl. Note the "Luis H Mendoza" under aliases, and the "Luis H Mendoza" on the whitepages for the Paul Mendoza who currently lives in Westcliffe CO and used to live in West Babylon NY, shown below. Also note, back in the first bit where one of Sky's addresses threw up the Mendozas as living there, that Luis was listed as living there too.
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No idea if Luis is a brother, or a dad, or if I'm barking entirely up the wrong tree - but it might explain some of Bonnie's downer on his family.
I got hits for his fb under the alias I had but it is possible that when trooning he changed his full name to something else.

The sex offender registry is interesting also may stan why he wanted to change his full name not just first/middle name

Part of trooning means you always have two sets of records so it's hell to change shit. "Bonnie Nelson" has near nothing but the "Bonnie Lucille Josephson" with that full name and connection to Sky as an associate. Also if you facebook Bonnie Josephson you get linked to Bonnie Nelson so despite the lockdown on the fb it still tracks the name back to him.

As for Sky....I legitimately think Earth is his brother and his parents were insane and named them sky and earth. (Should have done earth wind and fire tbh)

I honestly find Phil’s blog posts alone way more interesting than the past several hundred pages of Kevin being horny on Twitter.

It's also worth going into all of his comments as well (if you go to the top bar i think its on the right) to see what he says because that's where he reveals some juicy stuff. Further back ITT I made a timeline for Phil's life we can repost and add to the lore.

I found the most kek thing was always reposting this full length picture in the mirror in target with weird steampunk sex display full center for all of society. He posts it under like "owning da terves" shit which is top kek because you can tell he thinks he's hot here: 20180115_194114.jpg




Edit: my other fave thing is always third person gendering in EVERY POST like "this girl feels...."
 
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Edit: my other fave thing is always third person gendering in EVERY POST like "this girl feels...."
The funniest thing about Phil’s blog posts is how he consistently refers to himself using female pronouns next to pictures like these
 

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Kevin's Sister Dox,...

She's a nerdy handmaiden who probably thinks her coomer brother is Stunning & Brave. No rare kev pics on her Instagram tho. she's really ugly and seems like a LOL XD not like other girls' nerdy type. But she's doing better than Kevin

Name: Erin Michelle Gibes
Instagram(if she's not his half-sister then his brother has at least 3 kids)
Her fucking hilarious website that's "guided self-help for writers" that you pay for her book coaching. Which apparently is a real thing that she paid $4299 in "certification" for. Tl;dr she's also weird with money so maybe it runs in the family

"I also prefer to work with BIPOC, queer, trans, disabled, and neurodiverse writers. Why? I believe fiction ultimately informs reality, and I want to live in a reality where everyone gets to tell their story, especially those who have historically been silenced. .....While I am not part of a marginalized class – I am a white, cis-gendered woman – I have, at various times in my life, been a victim/survivor of abuse. " (from her website)

So going by this, a possibility for abuse by family that Coomer kev kev may have endured to quicken the troonening
I think its far, far creepier than Kev experienced abuse in order to become trans tbh.

We know from a picture someone posted that his sister closely resembles the goal of look he seems to have. We also know he was a self-described /b/tard turned full SJW and while he isn't the first one, this is clearly the actual source. He is trying to become his sister to the degree that he adopted her politics which she developed from abuse.

EDIT TO ADD:
Bonnie mentioned before his dad did something that complicated their relationship and was a bad man essentially but he loved him anyway. Clear now that his dad was a pedo.
 

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... he's not white when he talks about the Tranch being full of POC? That sounds like an SJW thing to do.
Kevin? a person of colour? he's about as fucking white as mayonnaise on a cracker. So is Bonnie, and Jen and whoever else is on the Tranch? I guess saying you're a trans person of colour will get you more e-begging points.

ETA; my apologies, it seems as though Bonnie actually has Latin American roots.
 
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  • anally raped at about age 7 by a friend's older brother, this lead to complications later in life with him losing 40lbs and needing surgery to repair bowls. F
And LGBT kiwis get mad when you say homosexuality is just a self perpetuating cycle of abuse.

More homos male or female are the result of child sexual trauma than naturally degenerate.

You combine that with autism or lack of good same sex role models and you get trooning.
 

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Oop, might've gotten Bonnie Nelson too.

The whitepages for current tranch address lists four residents: Penellope Dihana Logue, Sky Nils-Erik Nelson
... and also a Margarita R. Mendoza (60s) and Paul A. Mendoza (30s). Interestingly, if you click through to see more, both Paul and Sky lived in Massapequa NY, West Babylon NY, and Livermore CO...

And there's no record of a Margarita Mendoza living in CO, despite her being on the residents list. Didn't Bonnie mention something about his mom having to help him sign onto the lease? Also, can't get it to load, but there are two websites if you google ["sky nelson" "paul mendoza"] that list them both as living at 920 Deer Meadow Way Livermore, CO 80536 along with our favourite Kathryn Gibes... Which is actually identified in this post, which is the only other mention of Paul Mendoza so I'm assuming no one's made the link before.

Tracing the Paul/Sky connection continues to be circumstantial - though there's this page that has them both donating $105 to Bernie 2020 on 03/29/2019 from New York, zip code 11710. Sky is listed as "THS/CNA",; Paul is listed as "Visiting nurse service and hospice of/home aide". He only left for the Tranch in August 2019, so that works chronologically. Google also suggests that "THS CNA" could be "Texas Health School Certified Nursing Assistant"; if you search "Paul Mendoza nurse new york", you get this page which lists a Paul Mendoza as a "Tx [treatment] Medicaid Reclamation at Texas Health Network · New York City", which... sounds remarkably similar to Texas Health School. So it sounds like they met at work...

Also, the Sky Nelson who lives at Westcliffe CO also seems to be a Certified Nursing assistant, which is one hell of a coincidence (you'll have to scroll down to find him; photos as archive).
View attachment 1958467 View attachment 1958469

And if you search that 179 N Wyoming Ave address? Who should show up, but Paul and Margarita Mendoza, on the residents list.


It's odd, though, because the only Earth Nelson on Facebook, who just happens to live in Stony Point NY, has a Sky Nelson as his facebook friend who is... clearly not our Sky?? Seems to be a functional human being with a decent job, hobbies, and a family. Mysterious. Though, another page for the Nelson's house (lost the link, whoops, I promise it exists) doesn't list an Earth Nelson - so it might either be a joke account of Sky's who added the other Sky Nelson because it was funny, or some other elemental Nelson who lives in Stony Point. Either way, here's the only face picture from the Earth Nelson account - can't remember if we've ever seen Sky, but...
View attachment 1958491

I don't have a whitepages premium, so I can't get any more than that (and I don't have a fake FB so can't archive the Earth Nelson thing), but I'm pretty sure Paul A. Mendoza is Bonnie and Margarita is his mom. And also he apparently hasn't legally changed his name? Weird.

Okay, here's where it gets weird and also kind of worrying- Searching for Magarita Mendoza in New York gives the address 1040 Wellwood Ave West Babylon NY, though the only website that will verify this doesn't give the exact house number; others will provide it, but again a bunch of them won't let me connect to the server. It also mentions she's lived in Massapequa too, so score one for us at probably having got the right house and right Sky/Paul connection. Paul A. Mendoza (aka probably Bonnie) is also registered there.

But the other thing that comes up, is this: a sex offender registry alert! For one Luis Mendoza (mentioned in the above link as residing alongside Margarita and Paul), living at 1040 Wellwood Ave convicted in 2016 for repeated sexual contact with a 7yo girl. Note the "Luis H Mendoza" under aliases, and the "Luis H Mendoza" on the whitepages for the Paul Mendoza who currently lives in Westcliffe CO and used to live in West Babylon NY, shown below. Also note, back in the first bit where one of Sky's addresses threw up the Mendozas as living there, that Luis was listed as living there too.
View attachment 1958647

No idea if Luis is a brother, or a dad, or if I'm barking entirely up the wrong tree - but it might explain some of Bonnie's downer on his family.

I don't know how useful it is to you, but Bonnie has confirmed that his brother and his father are both called Luis. Given the birthyear of the man in the sex offender registry, I'm willing to bet it's his dad, which would also match up with Bonnie's accusations that his dad commited a crime and sexually abused a little girl (seemingly from his brother's family (his niece?)

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Maybe in retrospect I was being a little hard with how he was talking about his dad now knowing he was a pedo, sorry Bonnie.
 
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And LGBT kiwis get mad when you say homosexuality is just a self perpetuating cycle of abuse.

More homos male or female are the result of child sexual trauma than naturally degenerate.

You combine that with autism or lack of good same sex role models and you get trooning.
Every time I read a post like this I become a bigger lesbian

I'm excited for Monday. Didn't they say that the 1st of March was going to be the official announcement/possibly reveal of the Tranch Documentary?

I hope it's really long and we can update the poll with something from it like "whose gonna snap first?"
 

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