Kit n' Kay Boodle and the late Albert Temple / Gene Catlow / Richard Katellis -

[Bubble Ba'ath]

Thank you for necro-ing this thread, I just happened to see the name scrolling down the Forums list, and thought "Heh, I remember that godawful creepy/cute comic where he used jizz pounded up a furry's ass to launch her out of a pit trap, and then later on the character wanted a 3-some with his wife and her mother, let's see what kind of cow the author was!"

Well.

What a fucking ride THAT was.

Gonna re-read K&KB now (I didn't get as far as the end apparently, I remember no blue boob monsters) and see how it reads with what I now know.

This is honestly my favorite thread on the entire site, if for no other reason than the journey of start to finish. Its a major reason I even have an account here. I followed Gene Catlow (though not his others that even then were clearly affiliated to him, though I didnt suspect were literally his) for ironic laughs back in the oughts and have retained this fascination with pre-millenial pre-social media furry comic weirdness. It was like a fountain of pathology but in an time before all the wierdos found each other and just merged into one homogenous and frankly boring sperg culture like they have now. These were the true village outcasts of their day which means their lolcow potential was far higher but also their three-dimensionality as actual humans was also higher. And it turns out Temple was like the God-King of these people.

 

[Slapstickmonkey]

This dude had a huge thread back on Portal of Evil. Chet of course burned PoE to the ground, but there was a lot of talk about Kit & Kay Boodle back in those days before the site shuttered, and we honestly thought that photo of the couple was them.

Well this has been a weird fuckin' Sunday evening read.

The best theory is that the picture is real. That it was someone Albert was in love with, a very one-sided love (think manga level one-sided) and something happened to her. Death, had enough of his shit, got knocked up by someone she actually loved, take your pick because they are all pretty valid as this point. But that something drove Albert off his rocker and he couldn't handle it. People have described his house as a candidate for an episode of Hoarders from what I remember. Outward appearances, he was a great guy. Inward and out of sight, crazier then a shit house rat. He could keep it together long enough to make people not think he's nuts. Most people I knew back in the late 90s and early 2000s would say he'd never be at a convention more then a couple hours, and that could be him just keeping the crazy suppressed long enough to see people.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

The best theory is that the picture is real. That it was someone Albert was in love with, a very one-sided love (think manga level one-sided) and something happened to her. Death, had enough of his shit, got knocked up by someone she actually loved, take your pick because they are all pretty valid as this point. But that something drove Albert off his rocker and he couldn't handle it. People have described his house as a candidate for an episode of Hoarders from what I remember. Outward appearances, he was a great guy. Inward and out of sight, crazier then a shit house rat. He could keep it together long enough to make people not think he's nuts. Most people I knew back in the late 90s and early 2000s would say he'd never be at a convention more then a couple hours, and that could be him just keeping the crazy suppressed long enough to see people.

I keep seeing these allusions to the hoarder home but never any specifics. What do you know for a fact, if anything?

 

[Got2Hands]

I keep seeing these allusions to the hoarder home but never any specifics. What do you know for a fact, if anything?

All we know is that he had a ton of computers and mountains of notes. There was no mention of him living in an actual hoarding situation.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

All we know is that he had a ton of computers and mountains of notes. There was no mention of him living in an actual hoarding situation.

Considering the conspiracy of silence around all of this Im surprised even that much is definitely known. Someone must have broken the code of silence at least partially.

Edit to add: I do wonder now that some time has passed if we could get more leaks on the situation. Its now more getting the historical record accurate at this point rather than his friends having to worry that people will make mean comments on his in memorandum posts. And the story post-mortem is more interesting than the legacy they wanted to preserve at this point, plus it seems like most people know the just of it now anyway, if not the details.

 

[Madam Nekromantik]

This is honestly my favorite thread on the entire site, if for no other reason than the journey of start to finish.

Really the most interesting furry thread here. I kind of miss when furrys had unique drama around them. Modern furrys are boring. Just fill in the check boxes of being a troon, unemployed, a pedo, in to bestiality, a mooch, twitter addicted. It's getting hard to tell them apart. Threads like this are interesting.

 

[billydero]

Considering the conspiracy of silence around all of this Im surprised even that much is definitely known. Someone must have broken the code of silence at least partially.

Edit to add: I do wonder now that some time has passed if we could get more leaks on the situation. Its now more getting the historical record accurate at this point rather than his friends having to worry that people will make mean comments on his in memorandum posts. And the story post-mortem is more interesting than the legacy they wanted to preserve at this point, plus it seems like most people know the just of it now anyway, if not the details.

All we know is that he had a ton of computers and mountains of notes. There was no mention of him living in an actual hoarding situation.

I'm actually wondering how we know anything at all about the condition of his home, hording or otherwise. Who exactly is saying that he wasn't a hoarder? It sure sounds like he was one, or at least, a sub-clinical hoarder.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Edit to add: I do wonder now that some time has passed if we could get more leaks on the situation. Its now more getting the historical record accurate at this point rather than his friends having to worry that people will make mean comments on his in memorandum posts. And the story post-mortem is more interesting than the legacy they wanted to preserve at this point, plus it seems like most people know the just of it now anyway, if not the details.

The problem is, older furries, especially as part of the closer knit lifestylers, are very paranoid about their "bad image" getting out. If one did start posting stuff, the group around Albert would be very quick to figure out who that was. There's a lot of that "pulling a Tyrion Lannister" type of stuff with those people in order to gauge who will gossip about other older furries.

 

[Got2Hands]

I'm actually wondering how we know anything at all about the condition of his home, hording or otherwise. Who exactly is saying that he wasn't a hoarder? It sure sounds like he was one, or at least, a sub-clinical hoarder.

No one's saying he wasn't, it's just that nothing's come out to confirm he was. His friends didn't go into detail on the state of his house, just talked about how continuing the comic would be slow going since he had multiple computers and piles of notes, which is plausible for an old IT guy with a long running webcomic. A lot of people keep old laptops and things around, you never know when you might need something off there.

He could have easily been hoarding other things or living in a mountain of piss jars, but if he was, no one's mentioned it yet.

 

[billydero]

The problem is, older furries, especially as part of the closer knit lifestylers, are very paranoid about their "bad image" getting out. If one did start posting stuff, the group around Albert would be very quick to figure out who that was. There's a lot of that "pulling a Tyrion Lannister" type of stuff with those people in order to gauge who will gossip about other older furries.

No one's saying he wasn't, it's just that nothing's come out to confirm he was. His friends didn't go into detail on the state of his house, just talked about how continuing the comic would be slow going since he had multiple computers and piles of notes, which is plausible for an old IT guy with a long running webcomic. A lot of people keep old laptops and things around, you never know when you might need something off there.

He could have easily been hoarding other things or living in a mountain of piss jars, but if he was, no one's mentioned it yet.

Thanks G2H, that makes sense.

Although as Tennis-ball-Tony noted above, the furry whitewash is the furry whitewash, so we will probably never find out the truth. Honestly, I have to agree on comments above, also about just getting the historical record straight. This is just an endlessly fascinating case study.

 

[huh]

Has anybody gathered enough gusto to make a semi-coherent timeline of his life. Like all things certain go on the main line,with uncertainties branching outwards

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

 

[JethroTullamore]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

Who are you and what are you going on about?

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

I always wondered what happened to this comic. F to a weird man on the internet, live as Got2hands said.

 

[OccamsShaveClub]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

I'm going to take a wild guess that you googled Albert Temple, Gene Catlow, Richard Katellis, or Kit n Kay Boodle, which led you here, and you were completely unfamiliar with KiwiFarms prior to finding this thread. Am I right?

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

Yes, the rise of anti-bullying activism in the early 2010s sure made the world such a nicer place since then lol.

But by all means, give us the scoop on Temple and correct the record. Its obvious from this post that this thread is now one of the top google results for looking him up, so why not do the man a service a complete the story? After all, I doubt anyone here has a personal stake in this guy aside from curiosity at his bizarre post-mortem story. I have no doubt that he was a perfectly harmless eccentric who was nice to his friends. Indeed, that is a major part of his appeal to the people on this thread. So many people studied here are so odious and attention seeking, to find someone who wasn't but is fascinating in their own right is actually refreshing. This is reflected in how much less mean-spirited this thread is compared to the baseline average almost anywhere else on the site. Its also my personal view that this is how lolcows should be studied (when they aren't overtly threateningly odious at least), anthropologically not moralistically. Aberrant psychology is fascinating for reasons that have nothing to do with judging it....but maybe that is just me that thinks so.

Already, by admitting that people were utterly taken aback by the post-mortem revelations in his own social circle you have contributed to the record around this and helped explain why it appears like there was a conspiracy of silence. If anything, this helps put everything in context more and makes everyone around it look more sympathetic. It makes me think more information in this sad-yet-fascinating story would actually be a net benefit to Temple's legacy at this point. At this point you could probably get the support to make a short documentary which wouldn't exist otherwise with a hook to get an audience outside of the normal circles interested too.

 

[billydero]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

You're a shitty white knight and I'm not reading your attempt at dime-store philosophy, sorry.

Already, by admitting that people were utterly taken aback by the post-mortem revelations in his own social circle you have contributed to the record around this and helped explain why it appears like there was a conspiracy of silence. If anything, this helps put everything in context more and makes everyone around it look more sympathetic. It makes me think more information in this sad-yet-fascinating story would actually be a net benefit to Temple's legacy at this point. At this point you could probably get the support to make a short documentary which wouldn't exist otherwise with a hook to get an audience outside of the normal circles interested too.

And this is why this conversation on Temple is so fascinating, to me. There's clearly so much more to the story and the man had some very interesting skeletons and secrets in his closet, and there seem to be even more skeletons and secrets added to the tale when you include his close friends the DeWalts, and their apparently unfettered access to all of his personal possessions, computers, and the like. Who knows what dirt they have on him.

Also, it's been said before many times but 'he was SUCH a nice guy!' really isn't any kind of argument, in his favor. Weird creeps and skeevy characters are always capable of being nice to SOMEbody, or reigning in their weird and creepy temporarily to get through a social interaction, and that really isn't any indication they're a good person. On top of that, he was a furry; and furries have a long standing culture of hiding the skeletons and the weird and the freakshow when they need to; they have a lot of practice with that.

 

[Vinluv Handesbukia]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

I thought you were dead Arthur.

 

[Madam Nekromantik]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

Your name is a great reaction to this wall of words that says nothing.

 

[AnOminous]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

Want some French dressing for that word salad?

 

[Slapstickmonkey]

That's very nice of you to ask, and you asked very nicely.
Looking at the big big picture here though, it's a mostly disappointing portrayal of human conduct, with lots and lots of hateful speculation and mean spirited condemnation.
Something that is especially sad is the high and mighty armchair quarterbacking about what 'furry' is, as if every assuming writer who puts it down somehow is above it. Classic "living in glass houses" rhetoric. Tragic.
Mr. Temple's life truly involved some tragedy, but the larger tragedy is the lack of empathy (in most cases) here, and the eagerness to proclaim unfounded conclusions.
I know one might say "hey it's the internet" but that's not an excuse for every manner of cold-hearted rumination.
Aren't we supposed to be above bullying now? Or at least try to be?
Most of this thread is just bullying someone who can no longer defend himself.
I'll give you this: yes, in retrospect we now know he had some level of psychological difficulty, but in every case it was completely benign, which is why all evidence and recounts of his interactions with people have left memories of kindness and consideration, as well as generosity, even to a fault, and perhaps even to his own detriment. And no, accusations of his friends and family knowing about his condition before his death are false. No one knew, and all were equally shocked by the eventual revelations about the determination that he presented his creativity through many characters. And we are left with just as much sadness and bewilderment as anyone might expect when losing someone close.
If this were a kinder, gentler world (to borrow a phrase), then it might deserve more information, but it probably doesn't.

Having read this entire thread, Temple got off very light compared to many. He had mental issues and was treated with kid gloves on this site, which is extremely unusual for it. The worst things said about him are said about some of his creations, that's about it. Everything else, specially about the man himself, were simply "Dude was fucked up and needed help." That's it. That's all. Albert was a good guy that made some weird shit. That is his legacy, and that is all most of us can aspire to.