KPop Stans - The round eye fans of slant eye bands

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Kataomoi00

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is there specific formula that k-pop producers shoot for (% girl appearance, catchy tune something else)? I don't get k-pop but then I'm not sure that I get the grouppie culture in the West either. K-pop seem like the focus is on girls in cutesey outfits. At least in Euro scene, with girl/boy bands, videos seem to be the focus, not live stage performances, it's more sexualized, less clothing, less choreographed group performances, also seems like greater variety in girl bodytype/facial features. Is k-pop more of an Asian thing than just regular boy/girl bands? If I had to replace girls in the video with Europeans and have them sing in English, I don't think I'd mistake that, at least I am not aware of Western k-pop mirror.
I kind of went on a tangent, so I had to spoiler. I’m more of a casual listener, so I’m not 100% on this. Hopefully I didn’t miss anything!:)
I would personally assume that the kpop formula is mainly appearance first + strong idol-fan relationship, followed by catchy music and choreography.

As mentioned before, the beauty standards and expectations placed on kpop idols are far more restricted than those in the west. Female idols are expected to stay slim, and this practice is brought up early during their trainee days with monthly weigh ins. Even idols who have a healthy BMI for their body-type and height can still be shamed by either their company or even the fans for still looking “too chubby”. Mentioned before, but this treatment can obviously lead people to develop eating disorders in order to keep up the image. Plastic surgery is also common, but it can’t really be forced on a trainee or idol. However, it is seen as giving yourself an advantage when on stage/doing photo shoots because the public will scrutinize every little detail regarding your appearance.

For the fan relationship, companies can put up a dating ban for idols in order for the fans to feel like they have a “personal connection” with the idol (which is honestly creepy and as a westerner I really don’t understand it). By having this illusion of a strong bond with the idol, the fans will not only buy the idol’s music but they can also go out of their way to advertise them to the public. However, idols usually date behind the scenes, and if they get caught, it can be considered a huge scandal and the fans could easily turn against them. They feel like their idol “betrayed” them (“We bought so much of their music and defend them from anti-fans for them to just be careless about our feelings and date?!” basically). It’s a weird type of entitlement over somebody who, in reality, has no idea who they are.

When it comes to sexiness in groups, it’s definitely more open in western girl groups. Some kpop girl groups/solo acts have a sexier image, but it’s never really known if they’re really comfortable with it or not (if they really want to have this image, or if they’re pushed by their company to do it). For example, a kpop act can have a sexier image and be comfortable with it/have control or a say over this image, but some girl groups that fail to gain popularity have been practically forced to take on a sexier image as a last ditch attempt by their companies to get attention (and possibly profit). For some acts, the sexualization can lead to a great amount of harassment that tends to stay more with female idols than male idols in comparison.

One weird thing, though, about kpop is that some acts sexualize innocence/purity (if that makes sense?). It’s hard to explain, and I don’t know if it’s a cultural thing, but some groups will do a concept that’s deemed as innocent or cute on the surface, but there will be sexual undertones either in the song’s lyrics, the stage outfits, choreography, or the intended audience of the song (this gets even worse when the idol happens to be underage (:_(). Weird at “best”, disgusting at worst. Some female idols have started calling it out, but since a part of their audience/the public are those creepy fans, it usually has to be done subtly through either song lyrics or music video concepts (Can’t be straightforward and tell them to fuck off because companies gotta make that money at the end of the day. Along with that, the idol could be seen as “ungrateful” for disrespecting the fans that got them where they are in the first place).
 
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SheerHeartAttack

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K-Pop Stans: we need to cancel Joji because he said nigga with a hard R in a n obviously comedic rap album years ago! this is DESGUSTANG!!!!

K-Pop Industry: *chock full of corruption and treats its idols like robot slaves*

K-Pop Stans: imma pretend I didn't see that
It's more important to look woke on twitter than actually make the world a better place.
 

#zzz

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At least in Euro scene, with girl/boy bands, videos seem to be the focus, not live stage performances, it's more sexualized, less clothing, less choreographed group performances, also seems like greater variety in girl bodytype/facial features. Is k-pop more of an Asian thing than just regular boy/girl bands? If I had to replace girls in the video with Europeans and have them sing in English, I don't think I'd mistake that, at least I am not aware of Western k-pop mirror.

The closest thing to a Western Kpop group was M-Net' test one shot of UHSN, probably to see if a western Kpop girl group is marketable in Asia.


The link between "innocence" and "purity" being connected to sexualization in Asia is a thing interesting to me. The idols almost imitates a sort of religious icon of Mary the Virgin, representing innocence, youth, and chastity.

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AbyssStarer

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Ok, I'm gonna throw in on the nature of the dating ban in the idol world though I'm not a K-pop person I'm pretty much assuming it's mostly the same as in Japan.

A lot of fans these days don't care if the idol isn't going to lose her job. Most idol contracts have a clause banning dating, so if one is caught dating it's not necessarily possession or entitlement, but the fact that the idol threw away her idol career and possibly her entertainment career on some boy.
This isn't true of every fan or every contract, some last after scandals and some don't, it's usually very contextual. Was she only seen with a man in public, in a romantic context with a man, known to have banged him, how popular is she, what company are they under etc.
I've seen it go many ways, usually the contract is terminated after a short while but in the last 3 or so years things have changed.

It's true that banning dating is ridiculous and based on an idea of fans wanting to date the idol and wanting the girls to stay focused on what they're sacrificing their youth for, but more and more people are of the mind that it's not right to ban young people from pursuing relationships. A couple years ago a company tried to sue an ex-idol for the cost of training lost due to the group breaking up when she banged some of her fans, but the government said it wasn't right to ban dating for idols. (I can't re-find the article on it.)
I expect a big shift to happen in the next decade, but you never know.
 

Lieutenant Rasczak

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K-Pop stans can't take any form of banter. I made a shitpost saying that k-pop stans deserve the gas chamber, and they got butthurt and got my twatter account permabanned.

Once again, twitter has proven that they hate shitposting.

(EDIT): They are proof that my grandfather's work in Korea (he fought in the Korean War), it was in vain because now we have k-pop stans. He fought to keep Korea free and they give us k-pop in return and all their cancerous and toxic fans in the process. We should've just let Korea fall.
 
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What gets me about the International K-Pop fans is that most of them to exclaim they are leftist/progressive. But pretty much all of them are hardcore fans of a popular music culture that has all the things they supposedly hate. Monoethnic culture, strong gender archetypes, corporations abusing and exploiting their trainees. They say they are for lefty causes, but in practice it's merely lip service.
 

Shaka Brah

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What gets me about the International K-Pop fans is that most of them to exclaim they are leftist/progressive. But pretty much all of them are hardcore fans of a popular music culture that has all the things they supposedly hate. Monoethnic culture, strong gender archetypes, corporations abusing and exploiting their trainees. They say they are for lefty causes, but in practice it's merely lip service.
They and most of the Western Left are just consoomers. They wouldn't know traditionalist socialist values if they were punched by a steelworker.
 

schizoid PD

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Ok, I'm gonna throw in on the nature of the dating ban in the idol world though I'm not a K-pop person I'm pretty much assuming it's mostly the same as in Japan.

A lot of fans these days don't care if the idol isn't going to lose her job. Most idol contracts have a clause banning dating, so if one is caught dating it's not necessarily possession or entitlement, but the fact that the idol threw away her idol career and possibly her entertainment career on some boy.
This isn't true of every fan or every contract, some last after scandals and some don't, it's usually very contextual. Was she only seen with a man in public, in a romantic context with a man, known to have banged him, how popular is she, what company are they under etc.
I've seen it go many ways, usually the contract is terminated after a short while but in the last 3 or so years things have changed.

It's true that banning dating is ridiculous and based on an idea of fans wanting to date the idol and wanting the girls to stay focused on what they're sacrificing their youth for, but more and more people are of the mind that it's not right to ban young people from pursuing relationships. A couple years ago a company tried to sue an ex-idol for the cost of training lost due to the group breaking up when she banged some of her fans, but the government said it wasn't right to ban dating for idols. (I can't re-find the article on it.)
I expect a big shift to happen in the next decade, but you never know.

I don't know if it was mentioned yet. But Minami Minegishi is the most prominent example. A J-Pop idol member of AKB48. She was demoted by the company back to trainee for breaking company rules by dating. But it wasn't the company that was the issue, it was her hardcore fans lashing out that caused her to shave her head and record the apology.

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Bob's Fries

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K-Pop stans can't take any form of banter. I made a shitpost saying that k-pop stans deserve the gas chamber, and they got butthurt and got my twatter account permabanned.

Once again, twitter has proven that they hate shitposting.

(EDIT): They are proof that my grandfather's work in Korea (he fought in the Korean War), it was in vain because now we have k-pop stans. He fought to keep Korea free and they give us k-pop in return and all their cancerous and toxic fans in the process. We should've just let Korea fall.

I feel the same. We also owe an apology to the American veterans who gave us an opportunity to get better, but look where that led us.
 

AbyssStarer

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I don't know if it was mentioned yet. But Minami Minegishi is the most prominent example. A J-Pop idol member of AKB48. She was demoted by the company back to trainee for breaking company rules by dating. But it wasn't the company that was the issue, it was her hardcore fans lashing out that caused her to shave her head and record the apology.

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Minami was the exception that she got to stay even after being demoted. I only heard recently that she was or had graduated. I remember it sparked a big discussion and change (but she still risked throwing away all her hard work on some random lay so fuck her)
 
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