KPop Stans - The round eye fans of slant eye bands

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One question I do have is, how is this any worse then the jap idol scene? It really seems just as insane and fucked up as their stuff too.
Japan doesn't really have an equivalent sasaeng scene. Fans will of course go overboard, but there's much less violence and invasion of personal space. That's not to say there's none, but afik they don't strictly have their diets and weights regulated. That may depend on the company, but the farthest I've ever heard is an idol getting less screen time or taken out of a music video. The girl's are under enough pressure to be attractive, they don't need the extra stress of weighing in front of boys.
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They also have much less sameface going on, they're generally encouraged to look unique from one another so they can be easily recognized.

EDIT: #itsokaytobewhite started trending and it's full of K-pop video clips and exceptional twitter rhetoric.
it's not too terribly interesting, but it just fuckin figures that some hashtag designed to piss off coloreds is filled with kpop stans.
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Really insightful work here. THIS right here is how you do it, folks. All class - and something I *really* needed to see right at this moment.

Kpop fans take their music too serious. Its just music. I love weird al and bo Burnham with an obsessive passion but even I think kpop fans put the phrase "stan" to shame. It's ok to be passionate about stuff... but damn.

And to my friends and fans who enjoy a good kpop song. Yeah me too.

It ain't all of you. Obviously.

But there seems to be a good chunk of loonies in that group.

Be better y'all.
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So kpop fans got #itsokaytobewhite trending today, some of the tweets were interesting.View attachment 1074939
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The obsession with being paler in the east is just the same as cosmetic companies trying to market spray tans to young girls in the West. When your ethnicity makes you predisposed to certain features, the companies will market you different products based on that. And the marketing is very effective. These idiots don't realize corporations and profiteering is behind almost every "social justice" issue. These people on Twitter are just the useful idiots that are great for distracting everyone with "social justice".

Lately, skin care companies in Ghana and other African countries are increasingly using glutathione, trying to appeal to pregnant women aiming to lighten the skins of their babies in utero.

Statistics compiled by the World Health Organisation in 2011 showed that 40% of African women bleach their skin. In some countries the figure is higher: a staggering 77% of women in Nigeria, 59% in Togo, 35% in South Africa, 27% in Senegal and 25% in Mali use skin-lightening products.

Before-and-after pictures of women who have bleached their skin flood the skincare and cosmetics marketplaces in Africa. Cameroonian singer Dencia operates a thriving business selling skin-lightening creams. She claims that “whiteness means purity.”

Hashtags such as #skinwhitening and #yellowbone, advertising skin products that supposedly deliver immediate results and lead to a happier life, saturate social media platforms, especially Instagram.


 

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Speaking of crazy/saesang fans, a new stalker story has been spreading everywhere. Nayeon from the girl group TWICE is now under police protection after a German stalker found out her flight info, got onto the same plane as her and tried to get close to her to share his "gifts" and "love letters." Apparently this has been going on for months and she posted to Instagram begging him to stop and to go home.
JYP Entertainment have said they will be taking all possible legal action and in response the stalker says he is going to take legal action against them as well. Will be interesting to see how this develops.

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The New Years even in NYC had some korean or jap boy group, this very year. I skipped through the channel too fast to see what was up. K-pop trying to go mainstream in US?

... confirmed, it was that BTS k-pop band from Korea.


Girls being crazy over boy bands and teeny bopper singers like the Jonas Bros., One Direction, Bieber, and NSYNC is well documented, and similarly girls going crazy for serial killers is well documented.
This madness goes way back to the British Invasion times, when producers have discovered that en emasculated boy band with stupid simple chord songs can drive stupid girls wild. Unlike the Beatles, there were other American bands that were 100% manufactured together with that fashion making come back about wearing ball crunching tight, short pants.

It seems like this fashion comes and goes and in different iterations. In the 90s, there was a Russian/Soviet boy band with a falcetto lead singer that took country by storm. The manager was x-con who had at its peak (this was time before mass internet) had up to 60 (sixty) look-alike bands touring and singing to a recording. All band members were literally from orphanages. I think that some of that popularity was due to punk rebellion of the old music scene saturated with party approved, wholesome music about love for Lenin and motherland, while people just wanted to fuck.


In terms of emasculation and infantilizing boy/girl asian groups, it's also an interesting aspect. There is quiet an "old" Ukrainian trio, girl group that has been going for a while, with singers periodically replaced every few years, VIA Gra (Vocal Instrumental Ansamble "Game") that pronounces as Viagra. Again, 100% manufactured group with "singers" setup as male eye candy in skimpiest of outfits and oversexualized music videos. Kind of like Spice Girls, you got blonde/brunette/shaten, short/long hair personalities, whatever you are into there is something for you kind-of buffet.

The key difference is that "girls" while in the 18-20 range, are emphasized to be fully developed in all aspects, and this is in contrast to these Asian groups. So compare this:


to your typical k-pop or j-pop band and see if this somehow reflects on society and stan phenomenon. I don't think that there is such thing in Russia either. I get that to an American they may seem too skinny, but in the old country a lot of girls tend to be in athletic/skinny category. At least there is no way you can mistake these band members for middle school girls.
 
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This madness goes way back to the British Invasion times, when producers have discovered that en emasculated boy band with stupid simple chord songs can drive stupid girls wild. Unlike the Beatles, there were other American bands that were 100% manufactured together with that fashion making come back about wearing ball crunching tight, short pants.
I would agree that the initial idea can be traced back to the Beatles. The Beatles were mostly an organic band, here they were before the management discovered them and realized they couldn't promote them mainstream without a serious image change.

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But "Beatlemania" proved that young girls were highly susceptible to this sort of thing.

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Jan Myers, an O.G. Beatles fan, told The Guardian that she not only rode her bike 20 miles to Heathrow airport to see the band arrive in England, but that she literally crawled through the sewers under Abbey Road so she could hear the band while they recorded Rubber Soul.

In an interview with Buzzfeed, Ringo brought up his craziest fan experience, and it's uh… pretty nuts. "In New York ... somebody jumped on me and took the necklace I had on," he said. "And I went on a radio station and said, 'If you give me me necklace back I'll give you a kiss,' and they brought the necklace back!"

In 1964, a group of fans tried to get to the boys from Liverpool by sneaking through the baggage conveyer belt at the London (now Heathrow) Airport. It was a nice try, but they didn’t get to meet the Fab Four.

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It’s well known that the US television debut of The Beatles was on The Ed Sullivan Show, but according to John Moffitt, the associate director of The Ed Sullivan Show, it was impossible to hear anything during filming. The audience was screaming so loudly for the group that he couldn’t call out cues for the cameramen. He told Rolling Stone, "The noise was incredible. Nobody could hear a thing except the kids in the audience, screaming. They overpowered the amplifiers. The cameramen couldn’t hear. Even the kids couldn’t hear anything, except each other screaming."

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At the time, a lot of girls wore home made Beatles shirts.

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It wasn't until modern day merchandising happened that the amount of money the young girls would spend would be realized.

Here's a young girl showing her room to a Korean boy band member she is a fan of.

 

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The New Years even in NYC had some korean or jap boy group, this very year. I skipped through the channel too fast to see what was up. K-pop trying to go mainstream in US?

... confirmed, it was that BTS k-pop band from Korea.




This madness goes way back to the British Invasion times, when producers have discovered that en emasculated boy band with stupid simple chord songs can drive stupid girls wild. Unlike the Beatles, there were other American bands that were 100% manufactured together with that fashion making come back about wearing ball crunching tight, short pants.

It seems like this fashion comes and goes and in different iterations. In the 90s, there was a Russian/Soviet boy band with a falcetto lead singer that took country by storm. The manager was x-con who had at its peak (this was time before mass internet) had up to 60 (sixty) look-alike bands touring and singing to a recording. All band members were literally from orphanages. I think that some of that popularity was due to punk rebellion of the old music scene saturated with party approved, wholesome music about love for Lenin and motherland, while people just wanted to fuck.


In terms of emasculation and infantilizing boy/girl asian groups, it's also an interesting aspect. There is quiet an "old" Ukrainian trio, girl group that has been going for a while, with singers periodically replaced every few years, VIA Gra (Vocal Instrumental Ansamble "Game") that pronounces as Viagra. Again, 100% manufactured group with "singers" setup as male eye candy in skimpiest of outfits and oversexualized music videos. Kind of like Spice Girls, you got blonde/brunette/shaten, short/long hair personalities, whatever you are into there is something for you kind-of buffet.

The key difference is that "girls" while in the 18-20 range, are emphasized to be fully developed in all aspects, and this is in contrast to these Asian groups. So compare this:


to your typical k-pop or j-pop band and see if this somehow reflects on society and stan phenomenon. I don't think that there is such thing in Russia either. I get that to an American they may seem too skinny, but in the old country a lot of girls tend to be in athletic/skinny category. At least there is no way you can mistake these band members for middle school girls.
I don't think they are too skinny. Yes, Americans are fat, lol, but the ideal of what a female should look like still very much looks like this for most Americans. There is a push for more inclusivity and diversity (which isn't a bad thing), but the vast majority would still prefer seeing women like this to women like Kim Kardashian.

The Beatles phenom was a little different than other boy bands because there were just as many guys that were fans as the girls. And not just gay guys. The music appealed to both sexes and men wanted to emulate their style. While the same might be true in Asian countries for the Kpop groups, you don't see many boys/men (except for gay ones) being that into kpop. The style is so feminine that not many American guys are quite willing to go that far yet if they are straight.

Also, for all the hype, kpop is really not that big in the US. The US fans are hard core, but there aren't that many of them. I do not hear their songs on the radio at all where I live. The album sales mostly reflect the fact that they have photo cards and album sets (where each "version" has different cover art) that come with extra stuff. The last one had a boxed set which was 4 copies of the album, each with a different cover. If you can get a lot of fans to buy that set, that is practically inflating your album sales 4x. And many fans buy multiples of those. Even though they are winning awards, they just aren't that popular with mainstream listeners. Mostly because of the language difference. The sound isn't bad, but lyrics matter.
 

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I would agree that the initial idea can be traced back to the Beatles. The Beatles were mostly an organic band, here they were before the management discovered them and realized they couldn't promote them mainstream without a serious image change.

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But "Beatlemania" proved that young girls were highly susceptible to this sort of thing.

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Jan Myers, an O.G. Beatles fan, told The Guardian that she not only rode her bike 20 miles to Heathrow airport to see the band arrive in England, but that she literally crawled through the sewers under Abbey Road so she could hear the band while they recorded Rubber Soul.

In an interview with Buzzfeed, Ringo brought up his craziest fan experience, and it's uh… pretty nuts. "In New York ... somebody jumped on me and took the necklace I had on," he said. "And I went on a radio station and said, 'If you give me me necklace back I'll give you a kiss,' and they brought the necklace back!"

In 1964, a group of fans tried to get to the boys from Liverpool by sneaking through the baggage conveyer belt at the London (now Heathrow) Airport. It was a nice try, but they didn’t get to meet the Fab Four.

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It’s well known that the US television debut of The Beatles was on The Ed Sullivan Show, but according to John Moffitt, the associate director of The Ed Sullivan Show, it was impossible to hear anything during filming. The audience was screaming so loudly for the group that he couldn’t call out cues for the cameramen. He told Rolling Stone, "The noise was incredible. Nobody could hear a thing except the kids in the audience, screaming. They overpowered the amplifiers. The cameramen couldn’t hear. Even the kids couldn’t hear anything, except each other screaming."

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At the time, a lot of girls wore home made Beatles shirts.

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It wasn't until modern day merchandising happened that the amount of money the young girls would spend would be realized.

Here's a young girl showing her room to a Korean boy band member she is a fan of.

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The Beatles phenom was a little different than other boy bands because there were just as many guys that were fans as the girls. And not just gay guys. The music appealed to both sexes and men wanted to emulate their style. While the same might be true in Asian countries for the Kpop groups, you don't see many boys/men (except for gay ones) being that into kpop. The style is so feminine that not many American guys are quite willing to go that far yet if they are straight.
I am not aware of any other same sex bands like and of the same level of notoriety as Beatles, before Beatles, that were a huge commercial success in terms of merchandising and essentially an entire industry that went along. Also, I believe that they spawned Monkees who were more actors than musicians and were handed material to sing without their input. Essentially the producer figured out that the formula to make money was a successful hit, some image and all that could be artificially created together. Four meatbags could be cast together but they weren't the main ingredient.
 
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I am not aware of any other same sex bands like and of the same level of notoriety as Beatles, before Beatles, that were a huge commercial success in terms of merchandising and essentially an entire industry that went along. Also, I believe that they spawned Monkees who were more actors than musicians and were handed material to sing without their input. Essentially the producer figured out that the formula to make money was a successful hit, some image and all that could be artificially created together. Four meatbags could be cast together but they weren't the main ingredient.
Maybe there were guys that were big fans of the Beatles and their music. But I think the stereotype of the guy rockstar and his groupies exists for a reason. I can't think of any girl group that draws crowds of only guys that obsess over them. Unless you are talking gay guys with Madonna or Kylie Minogue, and even then a substantial proportion is women.

I mean you can see it here. There are girl stans for girl groups.

 

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Oh man, I’m glad this thread was made. If anyone’s interested, this video has a good overview of the topic:


I honestly feel pretty bad for K-pop stars, even though they’re rich and famous. They’re put through an absolute meat grinder of an industry that treats them like expendable commodities instead of people, and then they have to deal with crazed stans who stalk them and obsess over them. That’s rough.
 

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Tfw we can set our differences aside and hold hands with lolcows in agreement that kpop is actually just that bad.

Oh man, I’m glad this thread was made. If anyone’s interested, this video has a good overview of the topic:


I honestly feel pretty bad for K-pop stars, even though they’re rich and famous. They’re put through an absolute meat grinder of an industry that treats them like expendable commodities instead of people, and then they have to deal with crazed stans who stalk them and obsess over them. That’s rough.
Tbf, how long is the shelf life of a korean idol? They all sort of blend together, I wouldn't be surprised if many went into the industry expecting this sort of fanatic attention to only last a decade or so, and then get forgotten. Isn't that how that works with jpop?
 

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I wanna say they usually do not last for more than 5 years, but I feel like I've been hearing about TWICE and some others for longer than that. Maybe they were just kind of lucky.
If the company doesn't ax the group the second popularity dwindles then pop acts can last quite a while even if they don't get much notoriety.
 

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I literally can't tell any of the groups apart.
Although most of them have the school girl asthetic there are a couple who look different one exmaple is Mamamoo, they stand out to me they also have some good vocals, but yeah most of them are pretty similar so I dont blame you


Maybe there were guys that were big fans of the Beatles and their music. But I think the stereotype of the guy rockstar and his groupies exists for a reason. I can't think of any girl group that draws crowds of only guys that obsess over them. Unless you are talking gay guys with Madonna or Kylie Minogue, and even then a substantial proportion is women.

I mean you can see it here. There are girl stans for girl groups.

If you look at a twice live performance they actually have mostly male fans in the audience (you can hear men cheering), also there are a ton of kpop youtuber reactors that are males. Search kpop reaction on youtube and half of them will be males reacting to it.

I wanna say they usually do not last for more than 5 years, but I feel like I've been hearing about TWICE and some others for longer than that. Maybe they were just kind of lucky.
If the company doesn't ax the group the second popularity dwindles then pop acts can last quite a while even if they don't get much notoriety.
Usually they last about 7 years that is how most contracts are set for, but some popular ones are anomolies and last longer. Brown Eyed girls and bigbang have lasted well over 10 years and still make music.
The New Years even in NYC had some korean or jap boy group, this very year. I skipped through the channel too fast to see what was up. K-pop trying to go mainstream in US?

... confirmed, it was that BTS k-pop band from Korea.
Bts has been growing a ton in the us since 2017 when they won the billboard music awards which was mostly fan voted, they also were one of the top selling artists in the US this year. I think some other kpop groups are trying to make it the u.s but none have really succeed like bts. BTS success I think is probably because a lot more organic than a lot of these other groups though cause they mostly write their own music and have more creative freedom.(the rappers of the group write the majority of their songs and are in the credits) They had an underdog story where their company bighit was a smaller company early on.( they were not part of a huge label but a really small one) Most fans felt like they are part of an underdog story.
Here some examples of some of their lyrics
Tommorow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0M108PTxZw this song talks about the daily struggles of a young adult
Baepsea - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5efWmDqX3KQ Talking about how the older generation looks down on the younger one
Spine breaker -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJJiFnAtUDI Talks about underprivileged people
Whalien 52 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPfWH1_gQbY Intersting song of comparing loneliness to a whale

So yeah their lyrics cover a whole range of relatable topics and I think that has resonated a lot with fans compared to other groups who do more generic songs. The other groups are still big though but bts trumps them by a ton.
 
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