Kraut and Tea / Joseph Lancaster / @GiveMeThouMemes - Schizo pseudo-intellectual with impulsive buyer's remorse, electrified nipple clamps & split penis.

[Simply Outplayed]

The alt-right liked a gay man who bragged about having underage interracial sex?

No they hated him for claiming to be alt-right and like the ditz he is not doing any research on it before claiming it he quickly took it back.

What exactly do you consider to be alt-right and which figures specifically were in favor of milo?

I'm talking about before Spencer came out and made the term Alt-Right synonymous with white nationalism.
Alternative-right as a political ideology broadly encompassed people who were far right and right wing who felt unrepresented by the Republicans. Of course, all those people were just funnelling people towards what would later also be called the Alt-Right so it is confusing but I definitely think that the distinction is there.

To call her not a leftist is far more of a purity spiral than to call her not alt-right.

Probably. I would say that far leftists are paradoxically way more exclusionary than neo-nazis lol. It's kind of hard to say though because she doesn't really have a thought out political ideology. She criticises capitalism but only so far as to be against woke corporatism and wanting free healthcare which isn't very left wing for an extremely online person in the political sphere.

 

[Crystal Golem]

I'm talking about before Spencer came out and made the term Alt-Right synonymous with white nationalism.
Alternative-right as a political ideology broadly encompassed people who were far right and right wing who felt unrepresented by the Republicans. Of course, all those people were just funnelling people towards what would later also be called the Alt-Right so it is confusing but I definitely think that the distinction is there.

They were funnelling people towards something that did not yet exist?

 

[ddlloo]

@Simply Outplayed isn't completely wrong.

Spencer originated the term alt-right but that group was basically unknown. Eventually pretty much everyone in the kekistani sphere (and large portions of the more general Skeptic community) was labelling themselves as alternative right (because kekistani was too cringe a label), not knowing there was already a 'group' by that name.

That period was pretty short lived, thanks to the Spencer tier faggots that co-opted and ruined everything, but for a few moments in time plenty of people like sargon, shoe, PJW, cerno, and others making content for that part of the internet, were associating themselves with that label.

 

[Simply Outplayed]

They were funnelling people towards something that did not yet exist?

My mistake, should have said radicalising. Basically by only focusing on anti-sjw content and making it their entire schtick over time they ended up not being right wing enough for much of their audience. You can see this with people like Sargon who had a sizeable chunk of his audience end up following people like Ethan Ralph and Millenial Woes.

 

[Bob Barker]

I'm talking about before Spencer came out and made the term Alt-Right synonymous with white nationalism.
Alternative-right as a political ideology broadly encompassed people who were far right and right wing who felt unrepresented by the Republicans. Of course, all those people were just funnelling people towards what would later also be called the Alt-Right so it is confusing but I definitely think that the distinction is there.

So a distinction that makes your statement completely irrelevant to kraut's original point?

And they were not funneling anyone. They were exposing people to new ideas and ways of thinking and it just so happened that far right nationalistic ones were the ones that appealed to the most people the most.

People who try to guilt by association the skeptics into being white nationalists are fucking retarded. The only one of them who ever ideologically endorsed and actual alt-right person was fucking kraut and only because he was too stupid to realize it at the time,

@Simply Outplayed isn't completely wrong.

Spencer originated the term alt-right but that group was basically unknown. Eventually pretty much everyone in the kekistani sphere (and large portions of the more general Skeptic community) was labelling themselves as alternative right (because kekistani was too cringe a label), not knowing there was already a 'group' by that name.

That period was pretty short lived, thanks to the Spencer tier faggots that co-opted and ruined everything, but for a few moments in time plenty of people like sargon, shoe, PJW, cerno, and others making content for that part of the internet, were associating themselves with that label.

Everyone knew the alt-right included /pol/ people, even when people were trying to push it as an umbrella. The kekistani's were the ones who tried to co-opt it (literally thats what kekistani shit was), not the other way around.

Calling any of these people "alt-right" because at one tiny, brief moment in time they once were classified as such when it had a completely different meaning than what most people only know it to mean is about as honest as feminists saying "if you believe women and men should be treated equal you are a feminist" before immediately saying that feminism is about fighting for equal racial representation for black LGBT men.

They aren't alt right. Then never were what the word means today. Their audience wasn't exclusively alt-right and honestly most of their "alt-right" audience was former audience by the time they actually embraced alt-right views. The skeptics never were some intentional, radicalization network for turning innocent future MtF kids into hardcore misogynistic nazi chuds. They were fat, liberal men who were mad that fatter, more liberal men were ruining their video games.

The fact that this was all it took to convince a sizeable number or people to consider alternatives to mainstream thought says far more about everyone else than it does about them or the alt-right.

Edit: I might not be responding to ddlloo's actual point, I think I misread it lol

 

[Crystal Golem]

You can see this with people like Sargon who had a sizeable chunk of his audience end up following people like Ethan Ralph and Millenial Woes.

Sargon pretty sharply rebuked the altright so if this is true he would have lost "a sizeable chunk" of his audience which didn't happen.

Where are you getting this info?

@Simply Outplayed isn't completely wrong.

Spencer originated the term alt-right but that group was basically unknown. Eventually pretty much everyone in the kekistani sphere (and large portions of the more general Skeptic community) was labelling themselves as alternative right (because kekistani was too cringe a label), not knowing there was already a 'group' by that name.

That period was pretty short lived, thanks to the Spencer tier faggots that co-opted and ruined everything, but for a few moments in time plenty of people like sargon, shoe, PJW, cerno, and others making content for that part of the internet, were associating themselves with that label.

The problem is that he wants to have his cake and eat it too you can't say both that the early period of the alt-right was a relatively clean and amorphous due to pelople not really knowing what it was all about AND that everyone involved was a nazi for being involved and somehow using nazi magic to brainwash their veiwers into watching millienial woes.

 

[Simply Outplayed]

So a distinction that makes your statement completely irrelevant to kraut's original point?

And they were not funneling anyone. They were exposing people to new ideas and ways of thinking and it just so happened that far right nationalistic ones were the ones that appealed to the most people the most.

People who try to guilt by association the skeptics into being white nationalists are fucking retarded. The only one of them who ever ideologically endorsed and actual alt-right person was fucking kraut and only because he was too stupid to realize it at the time,

Krauts point is still relevant though, Shoe spent FAR more time critiquing irrelevant feminists when most of her skeptic and alt-lite community had viewership of comprised of the far right. I think that Krauts point is relevant in that he's making it to a far left audience.

Sargon pretty sharply rebuked the altright so if this is true he would have lost "a sizeable chunk" of his audience which didn't happen.

Where are you getting this info?

The entire skeptosphere declined. Where do you think all the people from IBS came from?

 

[Bob Barker]

Krauts point is still relevant though, Shoe spent FAR more time critiquing irrelevant feminists when most of her skeptic and alt-lite community had viewership of comprised of the far right. I think that Krauts point is relevant in that he's making it to a far left audience.

Feminist were far more relevant to them than the alt-right. If you see a trend in politics that you don't like and start calling it out, and then everybody but the people responsible for that trend starts paying attention to you, its not your responsibility to fucking nanny the views of all those people. Thats insanity. And the skeptics did argue and disagree with and honestly at later points make hit videos on the alt-right anyway.

And yeah kraut's point is relevant to vaush's audience for the following reason:

nobody but retarded liberals believe[s they were nazis] and for a good reason.

 

[Crystal Golem]

The entire skeptosphere declined. Where do you think all the people from IBS came from?

They were largely their own audience doing their own things. Some of them were already much farther right by the time sargon even hit the scen. You can't possibly believe that it's just one group of people being shuffled around by every grifter. A lot of ralph's early core audience always hated sargon for disagreements back in GG.

 

[Bec]

They are all considered alt-right at the time. Sorry they don't pass your purity test, the rest of the world doesn't see it that way.

Pre Charlottesville alt-right was anyone who who didnt fit into the box of boomer bushite neo-conservativeism but wasnt leftist ie conservitive populists, capitalist libertarians, classical liberals neo-reactionary's (and some fascists and neo nazis) Spencer gave the whole thing a fashy conatation by doing a bunch of ralleys with wignats.

 

[Ayaa]

The debate about the definition of the alt-right is quite pointless but...

First, /pol/ (at least on 8chan) never considered itself alt-right for them it always was a bunch of too moderate e-celeb grifter. Post or pre Charlottesville, they hated it.

Second, most of you guys use the definition of the media that alt-right = jewhating ethnonationalist. But people like Nick Fuentes and Gariepy doesn't consider themself alt-right, so are they or are they not? Who considers themselves alt-right except Spencer and maybe TRS nowadays?

TL;DR : the term alt-right doesn't mean much nowadays, so nobody is really wrong or right. We should prefere to use words that have a better definition like alt-light and wignat. So, shoe never ever tried to appeal to the wignats but she definitely tried to appeal to the alt-light. I think everyone can agree on that, instead of fighting for the definition of a word.

 

[BigHairyLaserNuts]

Honestly I thought it was pretty funny, Kraut does have a point about how Shoe basically went from anti-sjw -> alt-right -> leftist and Vaush 100% facilitated that. It's the same with The Amazing Atheist. They're milquetoast grifters who produce nothing of value and deserve to be shat on. Kraut didn't come off looking great in all this but I do think that he has sowed the seed for some normies to start asking questions and (((noticing patterns))), if Kraut is lucky he may have been able to insert his arguments into the normie fanbases consciousness.

This has been said a million times but Kraut you've currently got a good thing going with your videos, being a sperg online jeopardises everything.

By your statements and standards that would make Shoe a grifter and not an actual "nazi" or "alt-right" like Kraut has claimed.

Can you point me to one thing shoe has said that could be seen as white nationalist, pro-segregation, anti-jew, anti-lgbt or pro-right wing authoritarian?

Exactly! If Kraut had any evidence of that he would have been posting it everywhere. Instead he spergs on live streams like a lunatic stalker.

They were all loosely categorised as alt-right during the early days of the movement and some people like Milo even claimed that they were part of it. Not that it matters a whole lot because the majority of their audience were the alt-right at the time anyway, part of the reason why Shoe is considered to be a grifter is because she pandered to a far right/anti-sjw/alt-right audience to collect her shekels despite claiming to be a leftist.

With your own words you exonerate Shoe and further expose Kraut for making disingenuous arguments and false accusations. The "Skeptics" used to employ character assassinations which is something Kraut has never learned to stop doing. In my opinion, Shoe hopped on a seemingly viable social train at the time (and profitable one) that eventually shot itself in the foot and burned itself to the ground. Any sensible person at that juncture would have jumped ship too. Not just from a business sense but from a personal one. If my place of employment all the sudden became not only a shitty place to work but also changed it's core values to something I disagreed with then I would've resigned and regrouped. Such events provide people with the opportunity to rethink their loose associations with a community that longer shares ones own values and opinions. Kraut is trying to judge people guilty (not just Shoe) for their past and present associations. When he himself has and continues to not live up to his own standards.

The debate about the definition of the alt-right is quite pointless but...

First, /pol/ (at least on 8chan) never considered itself alt-right for them it always was a bunch of too moderate e-celeb grifter. Post or pre Charlottesville, they hated it.

Second, most of you guys use the definition of the media that alt-right = jewhating ethnonationalist. But people like Nick Fuentes and Gariepy doesn't consider themself alt-right, so are they or are they not? Who considers themselves alt-right except Spencer and maybe TRS nowadays?

TL;DR : the term alt-right doesn't mean much nowadays, so nobody is really wrong or right. We should prefere to use words that have a better definition like alt-light and wignat. So, shoe never ever tried to appeal to the wignats but she definitely tried to appeal to the alt-light. I think everyone can agree on that, instead of fighting for the definition of a word.

Apparently Kraut himself is the ultimate authority on determining who is alt-right or not.

 

[Berrakh]

The skeptics were clearly never Alt Right Nazis since they got humiliated by the those Nazis thanks to Kraut himself. Unless you think that was all kayfabe. This is just Kraut seething that people didn't have his back but he's too proud to put it in such vulgar terms (even though this would make more people take his side).
Saying the term evolved doesn't make it less disingenuous to try and affix that label to these people NOW. If it used to mean something anodyne but now doesn't why even bother with this except as a smear?

 

[Pinainas]

Please, tell us about how Easter Europeans don't believe in nationalism or racial identity. Get a Polack, a Romanian, a Hungarian, and a Ukrainian in a room and see where the conversations go.

This is not about nationalism. There is a belief that slavs are non-aryan, ergo non-white. Slavs want to be seen as white.

 

[arabianights]

Kraut is the quintessential Eurokrat who spends every waking moment obsessing about America

He's got burgers on the brain, and only diverts his sight back home to blame America for whatever ails the fatherland

Actually sir, you're in the wrong. The correct term would be EuroKRAUT

 

[OrsonZedd]

Probably. I would say that far leftists are paradoxically way more exclusionary than neo-nazis lol. It's kind of hard to say though because she doesn't really have a thought out political ideology. She criticises capitalism but only so far as to be against woke corporatism and wanting free healthcare which isn't very left wing for an extremely online person in the political sphere.

Not all leftists, just the wokescolds, or those on the left who do not believe in the application of pragmatism.

 

[hitherto81]

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[scathefire]

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[ScamL Likely]

That's probably the gayest and most reddit-tier way he could've broached the subject of the gunt's scratch and sniffsuit to his audience.

 

[soy_king]

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Not really sure you want to rehash the pregnant trout and Academics please respond, @Kraut. Stay in your lane, make simplistic yet compelling content, and occasionally pal around with a posh git and a Canadian autistic sperg and you'll be gucci. Or don't, but don't be surprised when you crash and burn again.