Let's Sperg Let's Play Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun - With actual audience participation!
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I think its an event in the WW1 scenario. It almost never fires in the Grand Campaign though because the system of alliances needed to start WW1 usually doesn't form by that point.
Reichsführer Weiße Teufel reporting for duty.
Radical Cadre
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@L50LasPak I probably won't be around enough to be able to commit to the game.
So if you could, please name something eternal after me.
So if you could, please name something eternal after me.
I’m nowhere near smart enough to make potentially country ruining decisions.
Count me in!
Count me in!
JongleJingle
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My supreme intellect shall lead us into a glorious 1000 year empire, spanning all the world in the name of Tard Cum!
Obersturmführer Jongle Jingle is here to make YOUR life better at the expense of everyone else.
Obersturmführer Jongle Jingle is here to make YOUR life better at the expense of everyone else.
Sign me the fuck up chief!
I am compelled to assist. We must prepare this world for the star-masters.
Incase anyone is wondering if you're eligible to vote but don't for any reason its not like you lose your place on the Council. Unless I have to introduce that cap later but I doubt that will end up happening.
Honka Honka Burning Love
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We just send you to the deathfat mines for a shift.
Play Sicily. Viva Italia, don't let the brits break ya buck
Big ol' Holstiens joins the brawl
Big ol' Holstiens joins the brawl
We are gonna run a country! Null will be so proud of us. This is a nice evolution of your threads. I absolutely am excited. I can not wait to okay human rights violations in the name of the greater good.
Honka Honka Burning Love
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I've already checked off Dangerous Unpaid Slave Labor.
Whoop whoop n' shit, we clown town!
Country Selection: First Round
I've decided to cut down on the options for the first country we play to leave the list as uncomplicated as possible. I feel I left some creative options on the table.
Yes I'm aware my color palette is a little fucked up on the red and white countries. I might be able to fix it by the time the game gets going.
United Kingdom
The United Kingdom is the single most powerful country on the face of the planet in 1836, beginning the game with extensive colonies in India, Africa, the Pacific and Canada. The UK also has the highest literacy in the game and the maximum possible starting technology, with a large army and extremely powerful navy. The AI is better at building navies than I am but I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to maintain naval supremacy if I start as the UK.
Needless to say starting the game as the UK will be the most broken option we can take. To keep the game interesting I’ll have to start out with things as “small” as annexing all of India and move up to nuttier shit like taking over China, retaking Normandy from France and making the United States of America a British colony again.
Pros:
The United States of America starts the game with no injuns to fight, having essentially taken over all of the territory it would control except for Texas and the territory held by Mexico. The USA has a special event to annex both Texas and all of the land it took from Mexico in the ensuing war, which will basically elevate the USA to its present day territory right at the start of the game.
From there, expanding the American Empire will be a simple matter of picking our targets, as few countries will be capable of defending against the size and might of the American military. Only the British Empire will have the naval power to rival the USA; nearly any other country can be defeated outright or at least fought to a standstill. The question is, would we want to get involved in the affairs of smelly yerps or stick to our own territory?
Pros:
France begins the game as roughly the second most powerful nation on Earth, but its AI is lobotomized to reflect the French slump we saw in real world history. Still, in the hands of a player France can become a powerful empire capable of fulfilling the dreams of Napoleon and more. Difficulties however include the two German empires, a near constant conflict with the UK over Africa and social unrest triggered by unavoidable events.
Pros:
Small and underpopulated, Prussia was an unexpected contender to rise from the ashes of the Napoleonic Wars. Historically the nation of Prussia would go on to defeat Austria and claim dominance amongst the German nations. Prussia is the only country in the game that can become and unify Germany, which it arguably must do in order to become competitive with the other European powers.
Pros:
Ill-fated in our history due to being an ugly potato made up of a patchwork of random ethnicities with essentially no common ground with one another, Austria in the hands of a player has great potential. I have the most experience in this game playing as Austria and left to my own devices I can very easily reshape most of continental Europe to my liking. That said, there are some very extreme caveats to playing as Austria that could make our survival questionable at best later on.
Pros:
Historically the state that formed Italy, Sardinia-Piedmont is one of two states that can form Italy in this game, the other being the weaker and more isolated Two Sicilies. Sardinia is quite tiny and has a small population, but can make up for this by invading parts of Italy early and also getting a head start on a colonial empire.
Pros:
A small nation that none-the-less starts out with advanced technology and an extensive colonial empire in the Pacific, the Netherlands has strong potential abroad but will have trouble holding down the fort at home.
Pros:
Russia is vast and controls an incredible amount of manpower, even by the standards of the Russia we know and love since the Russian Empire includes Ukraine, half of Poland, Finland and the entire Caucasus region. Russia also begins the game with a massive frontier with China that can be easily exploited to carve out huge colonial gains without having to dick around with colonizing Africa.
Pros:
Don't forget your icon!
Anyone can vote in this initial round, you do not need to be on the list yet!
Please restrict your choice to only one country in your vote. Perhaps a runner up but don't be surprised if I disregard those.
I've decided to cut down on the options for the first country we play to leave the list as uncomplicated as possible. I feel I left some creative options on the table.
Yes I'm aware my color palette is a little fucked up on the red and white countries. I might be able to fix it by the time the game gets going.
United Kingdom
The United Kingdom is the single most powerful country on the face of the planet in 1836, beginning the game with extensive colonies in India, Africa, the Pacific and Canada. The UK also has the highest literacy in the game and the maximum possible starting technology, with a large army and extremely powerful navy. The AI is better at building navies than I am but I’m pretty sure I’ll be able to maintain naval supremacy if I start as the UK.
Needless to say starting the game as the UK will be the most broken option we can take. To keep the game interesting I’ll have to start out with things as “small” as annexing all of India and move up to nuttier shit like taking over China, retaking Normandy from France and making the United States of America a British colony again.
Pros:
- Hilariously powerful.
- The AI is terrible at naval invasions, so the Isles will more than likely never fall even if our navy is destroyed.
- India + the British Isles provides almost all of the resources the Empire will need in the game.
- Best navy in the game.
- Numerous jumping-off points for colonies on all six continents.
- Basically zero challenge.
- Will almost definitely be no formidable enemies remaining to go on to the Hearts of Iron stage.
- Nuance will be sucked out of the game since the British start with the best everything and don’t really need to worry about actually building an empire since they already start with one.
The United States of America starts the game with no injuns to fight, having essentially taken over all of the territory it would control except for Texas and the territory held by Mexico. The USA has a special event to annex both Texas and all of the land it took from Mexico in the ensuing war, which will basically elevate the USA to its present day territory right at the start of the game.
From there, expanding the American Empire will be a simple matter of picking our targets, as few countries will be capable of defending against the size and might of the American military. Only the British Empire will have the naval power to rival the USA; nearly any other country can be defeated outright or at least fought to a standstill. The question is, would we want to get involved in the affairs of smelly yerps or stick to our own territory?
Pros:
- Most of the best technology in the game.
- Immigration is rigged completely to favor America.
- American Capitalist pops are the best at building factories and will continue expanding America’s industry even if you’re in the middle of a Communist regime during the Great Depression.
- Once the British are kicked out of Canada and the French prevented from gangraping Mexico, Europe will almost never interfere in the affairs of either North or South America.
- No need to worry about the Monroe Doctrine when you are Monroe.
- Africa is a bitch to colonize without a starting base there.
- The UK will declare war constantly if we try to do anything fun like annex Mexico, so that will become annoying fast.
- We may have to go to war with Russia for control of Alaska, which is miserable.
- The American Civil War will happen every game until very specific steps are taken to avert it. Steps which I of course won’t reveal to you.
- The game will plateau around 1870 which will be about the point where the American Empire is effectively invincible.
- Like with the UK there may be nobody left to fight come Hearts of Iron 2.
France begins the game as roughly the second most powerful nation on Earth, but its AI is lobotomized to reflect the French slump we saw in real world history. Still, in the hands of a player France can become a powerful empire capable of fulfilling the dreams of Napoleon and more. Difficulties however include the two German empires, a near constant conflict with the UK over Africa and social unrest triggered by unavoidable events.
Pros:
- Good starting technology, army and navy.
- Begins the game with extensive bases in Africa and some in the Pacific which will provide excellent springboards for colonization.
- Incentives to colonize more of Africa and the Pacific than the other empires.
- Probably the one country that has the easiest time invading the UK due to its proximity.
- If Prussia defeats us in the Franco-Prussia War, it will trigger a nasty event chain called The Fall of France which will make the game quite miserable to play.
- If Germany forms at all, the game is basically over.
- Having to fight both Prussia and Austria at the same time is a nightmare.
- If we accrue high infamy it will mean constant wars with the UK, particularly in Africa which always becomes a battleground between the two powers.
- The English Channel goes both ways and makes it very easy for the UK to invade continental France if they decide they’re sick of our shit.
- We would be playing as France.
Small and underpopulated, Prussia was an unexpected contender to rise from the ashes of the Napoleonic Wars. Historically the nation of Prussia would go on to defeat Austria and claim dominance amongst the German nations. Prussia is the only country in the game that can become and unify Germany, which it arguably must do in order to become competitive with the other European powers.
Pros:
- Can unify Germany. Succeeding usually propels Germany to the #1 most powerful nation slot instantly.
- Begins as the head of a powerful alliance including all of the German nations such as fellow Great Power Austria.
- Has the maximum amount of starting technology for the military and I think industry.
- Its greatest rival, France, is a retarded pushover.
- Can easily gain colonies in Africa by stripping them from France.
- Can easily gain colonies in the Pacific by stripping them from the Netherlands.
- The UK and Russia despise Germany if we form it.
- Austria will more than likely betray us and try to stop us from unifying Germany.
- Must unify Germany to stay relevant. If we fuck it up The Fall of Prussia will occur.
- Generally doesn’t have the resources to spare to start colonizing Africa (other than war gains) until after they form Germany, by which point all of the best African territories have been taken over by the British.
- Russia will be our worst and most dangerous enemy.
- Low population makes recruiting enough manpower for the army difficult in some situations.
- German Minors may break their alliance with us as a result of certain random occurrences, which can be incredibly irritating if we lose military access through their territory.
Ill-fated in our history due to being an ugly potato made up of a patchwork of random ethnicities with essentially no common ground with one another, Austria in the hands of a player has great potential. I have the most experience in this game playing as Austria and left to my own devices I can very easily reshape most of continental Europe to my liking. That said, there are some very extreme caveats to playing as Austria that could make our survival questionable at best later on.
Pros:
- Tremendous population of serfs to draw tons of manpower from. The enemy will choke on our dead.
- Rich natural resources across its already vast empire, Austria will want for very little.
- Is perfectly poised to subjugate Italy before they become a problem.
- Is perfectly poised to dismember the elderly and dying Ottoman Empire.
- Has a buffer against France.
- Somewhat weaker starting technology than the other European powers.
- Cannot form Germany. If we want to challenge Prussia and unify the German people ourselves, it will be through war alone. This requires a lot of preparation and conflict with Prussia beforehand.
- Russia despises us and will declare war just about every four years.
- Cannot really expand into Africa at all without drawing the wrath of the British, which given that we start with no navy is a huge problem.
- There is a prescribed order in which to subjugate the various parts of Europe we have access to, which I will not reveal to you.
- The country will essentially be in perpetual war until the 1880s at earliest.
- If Italy forms and we aren’t allied with them, we’re probably fucked.
- If Germany forms and we aren’t allied with them, we’re definitely fucked.
- Our multi-ethnic empire will eventually suffer tremendous revolts unless we dismantle it into puppet states. If we don’t have a strong German core homeland to fall back on when this happens, we’re fucked.
Historically the state that formed Italy, Sardinia-Piedmont is one of two states that can form Italy in this game, the other being the weaker and more isolated Two Sicilies. Sardinia is quite tiny and has a small population, but can make up for this by invading parts of Italy early and also getting a head start on a colonial empire.
Pros:
- Excellent starting technology.
- Can and probably will form Italy. The event chain to do this triggers so easily and Two Sicilies disintegrates so rapidly that there’s basically no way we can fuck it up.
- The French AI is designed to favor Sardinia and constantly build relations with us regardless of our actions.
- The UK will regularly guarantee our independence against foreign aggression.
- We’re dependent on France and the UK to not get raped by Austria.
- Building a colonial empire is hard when you’re tiny.
- Until we form Italy we’re basically useless.
- Once formed Italy is surrounded on three sides by potentially hostile empires. Allies may not be forthcoming depending on our infamy.
- When Germany forms, we’re totally fucked if we can’t get on their good side. I say “when” because there is utterly no way in hell we can actually prevent Germany from forming, short of somehow winning the Franco-Prussian War for France (good fucking luck).
A small nation that none-the-less starts out with advanced technology and an extensive colonial empire in the Pacific, the Netherlands has strong potential abroad but will have trouble holding down the fort at home.
Pros:
- Excellent starting technology.
- Begins the game controlling most of Indonesia. May be able to start colonizing the Pacific before the British get to it if they are sufficiently distracted with Africa.
- Is tiny and borders Prussia on basically its entire eastern frontier.
- Terrible manpower reserves due to its small size and population.
- Getting Belgium back is nearly impossible.
- Germany has a claim on the territory of Luxembourg, which means Germany will eventually declare war to take it unless we ally with them.
- Colonizing Africa means playing nice with the British because they can tear our empire apart in a heartbeat.
Russia is vast and controls an incredible amount of manpower, even by the standards of the Russia we know and love since the Russian Empire includes Ukraine, half of Poland, Finland and the entire Caucasus region. Russia also begins the game with a massive frontier with China that can be easily exploited to carve out huge colonial gains without having to dick around with colonizing Africa.
Pros:
- Being a mostly land-based empire is cozy as fuck.
- Incredible manpower. Almost nothing else in the game compares.
- China, Austria, the Ottoman Empire and Persia all provide ample places for us to invade and carve hunks off of to create a colonial empire without having to take to the sea.
- Easily the worst starting technology of a major European power, on par with only the Ottomans.
- Russian Navy? lol
- Expanding too deeply into China will cause… problems.
- Has a large number of events that can cause the peasantry to revolt if we run things poorly. This is mostly to facilitate the creation of the Soviet Union but in practice it’s just a bunch of annoying bumps in the road.
- Germany will fuck us right up if we let them form.
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Anyone can vote in this initial round, you do not need to be on the list yet!
Please restrict your choice to only one country in your vote. Perhaps a runner up but don't be surprised if I disregard those.
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Honka Honka Burning Love
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Given the fact that I have an American Flag in my Avatar, I am forced by Universal Law to Vote
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