Libertarians will gain ideological wins from the Corona Virus shutdown. - In terms of analysis after the event.

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Shutdowns effects on ideological discussion.

  • Lolbergs make gains

    Votes: 15 15.5%
  • Statists make gains

    Votes: 31 32.0%
  • Nobody cares about lolbergs, so it doesn’t matter.

    Votes: 37 38.1%
  • The world will be in shutdown until 2025. Get back in your pod citizen.

    Votes: 31 32.0%
  • If nothing changed from 2008 then nothing will change from this.

    Votes: 43 44.3%

  • Total voters
    97

Turnip_Head

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By the end of this lolbergs will probably get a big win in the argument department.

A lot of progressive/socialist people turn to FDR’s “new deal” as a good thing. Libertarians will look at it as a bad thing and say the recession was caused and prolonged by government.
Same argument dichotomy kind of repeats itself for the 2008 recession.

Now, we do get a recession entirely government caused. Not tied to banks as a capitalist scapegoat.
Fully documented too, in excruciating digital detail.
We’ll also get to see the results of what other countries who didn’t take action will have happen to them.
Will Statists on the left be forced to support Trump’s stimulus spending in-order to keep the reputations of stimulus by other presidents intact? Or will they call Trump’s stimulus, “not-real-Stimulism”?

Am I wrong in this analysis? Discuss.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

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Libertarians will make gains when we stop putting up silly joke candidates and actually try to buck the two-party dichotomy in a manner that appeals to the average American, rather than just in a pure ideological format.

Also pretty :optimistic: for expecting that socialistfags wont blame capitalism for COVID crisis.
Remember half of them still blame Venezuela's failure on teh ebul free market.
 

Turnip_Head

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Libertarians will make gains when we stop putting up silly joke candidates and actually try to buck the two-party dichotomy in a manner that appeals to the average American, rather than just in a pure ideological format.

Also pretty :optimistic: for expecting that socialistfags wont blame capitalism for COVID crisis.
Remember half of them still blame Venezuela's failure on teh ebul free market.
Well put yourself in their shoes.
How would you go about blaming this on private companies?

It’s seems pretty hard. The closest I could come up with is that the “capitalist Chinese wetmarket” is the cause. But if one argued that they’ll just look stupid because China is authoritarian government incarnate. It just shows that regulations never work.

The reason why most people tie capitalism to the depression and 2008 is because the banks are an easy scapegoat. To find any government causes of those recessions would take a lot of financial backtracing and then a ton of financial explanations to prove an argument on the cause of it.

For this recession, backtracking the cause of this recession won’t require math. Just an understanding that governments like USA and UK decided to go full shut it down and the results were as follows.

This is the game changer.
 

Boris Blank's glass eye

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The corporate welfare queen lolbergs at the top will get their gains, no doubt. Massive bail-outs are probably in the works already.
Most governments are also ruled by corporations and lobbyists, make of that what you will.

Small fry lolbergs like Cletus "taxation is theft" Cousinfucker will just get shit on harder than ever.
 

Fanatical Pragmatist

A garbage human being
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Well put yourself in their shoes.
How would you go about blaming this on private companies?

It’s seems pretty hard. The closest I could come up with is that the “capitalist Chinese wetmarket” is the cause. But if one argued that they’ll just look stupid because China is authoritarian government incarnate. It just shows that regulations never work.

The reason why most people tie capitalism to the depression and 2008 is because the banks are an easy scapegoat. To find any government causes of those recessions would take a lot of financial backtracing and then a ton of financial explanations to prove an argument on the cause of it.

For this recession, backtracking the cause of this recession won’t require math. Just an understanding that governments like USA and UK decided to go full shut it down and the results were as follows.

This is the game changer.
They are already blaming "muh capitalist healthcare system" and "muh social inequality" for the death tolls.

Shit, half of the anti-opening back up crowd thinks we can just live off unemployment & UBI forever and ever.

You thoroughly underestimate the ability of socialists to blame any and every problem on capitalism.
 

Cum Guzzler

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Well put yourself in their shoes.
How would you go about blaming this on private companies?
Private companies are politically influential, and liberal governments tend to act in their best interests by prioritising profit and growth. This comes at a cost of human life during a pandemic.

It’s seems pretty hard. The closest I could come up with is that the “capitalist Chinese wetmarket” is the cause. But if one argued that they’ll just look stupid because China is authoritarian government incarnate. It just shows that regulations never work.
The criticism of Chinese wet markets and wildlife consumption is centred around the previous lack of regulation. The problem is precisely that these practices are unregulated.
 

The best and greatest

Staring into your soul
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If Vaush were Rightwing he'd be a Lolbertarian. I think he even called himself one once or twice. Libertarianism is a fake political association that has long since been subsumed by the wider conservative movement. But even though as a political school of thought Libertarianism is on a continual downslide into irrelevance the label still sounds nice to normie america which is why people like Vaush will selectively apply it to themselves; its an easy sell.
I'm no ancap but I'd rather have no government than a tyrannical one.
LOL the former will very quickly devolve into the latter. That's no choice at all.
 

soft kitty

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Last I checked libertarians have been winning for the past 2 decades. The American government hasn't arrested anyone for having wrong opinions in a while, so free speech must be stronger than ever now.
Not good enough. Let me know when we repeal 99% of the laws.
 

soft kitty

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I identify with left-libertarianism and yeah, technically, that's the ideology to which many contemporary leftist activists, as well as most of Antifa and some SJWs, pay lip service.
What? That doesn't make any sense. SJWs and Antifa are nowhere near libertarian. SJWs are enforced equality and Antifa are just straight up fascists, you literally can't get any farther away from libertarianism than that.
 

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