Inactive Lindsay Kantha Souvannarath / Heretics on Holiday - Failed Halifax Mass Shooter & Asian Nazi Fetishist. Sentenced to life in jail.

LiveFromNS

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Hey, thanks to @Meowthkip for re-opening this thread at my request. I have something I think is worthy of it being reopened. As most of you know, I live in Halifax and Lindsay's little misadventure is what brought me to the Farms back in Feb 2015, and I have had a blast since joining nearly 4 years ago now!

Anyway, a co-worker of mine is into podcasts. Big time. Listens to many, I ain't too big on them myself. She likes true crime mysteries and stuff of that ilk. She also knows of my interest in Lindsay and what she had going on. So, she tells me today about this podcast doing something on Lindsay. I didn't think much of it, but remembered what she said just as I was getting ready to hit the sack and decided to look into what she was talking about. I didn't expect too much but, as I said, I thought it warranted the thread being re-opened after what I just came across!

Apparently this podcast is now in the middle of a 4 part series about our gal Calamity Jane.

But here was the kicker. It seems they have interviewed her while she was in the slammer and are using the audio of her speaking about the events etc.

Here are links and screenshots of the page for each of the first 2 episodes. Sadly, I don't have time right now to listen to them until tomorrow night, early morning in store. I want to listen to them unfettered by needing to do other shit. Like sleep!

But if someone gets a chance to check them out before then, hopefully they can start a discussion, if anything worthwhile to discuss! Maybe can get a couple of more pages of comments going before closing the thread again after discussion dies down.

Anyway, I think there may be some good stuff in there considering it is coming from the literal horse's mouth! Here are the details:

The Story of Lindsay Souvannarath - 1 - an Introduction to the Valentine's Day Massacre
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The Story of Lindsay Souvannarath - 2 - Life Before Choosing Death
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LiveFromNS

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Oh shit. It's worth a listen. She explains about how media portrayed her vs how she is and explains in more detail why she identifies with columbiners and explains whether or not she would feel sorry for victims of shootings she hears about. She also confirms no internet access lol

Hearing it made me think the judge made a good call keeping her in jail.
Good to hear, checking them out later. And remember, there are two more parts to come and then we should get to listen to the more nutty shit Lindsay has in her head. Nice to know she will be sitting behind bars for quite possibly rest of her life. Maybe this dude should do the same as that British 7-something show. Every 7 years they go back and see what's changed. Be good project to follow for Lindsay and see what she has to say when she hits her 30s! LOL
 

RichardMongler

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Good to hear, checking them out later. And remember, there are two more parts to come and then we should get to listen to the more nutty shit Lindsay has in her head. Nice to know she will be sitting behind bars for quite possibly rest of her life. Maybe this dude should do the same as that British 7-something show. Every 7 years they go back and see what's changed. Be good project to follow for Lindsay and see what she has to say when she hits her 30s! LOL
It's a solid interview that I'd recommend listening to. Only thing that's mildly distracting is the cheesy ambient music that's thankfully lost in the prison phone's sound quality.

Sadly, Lindsay doesn't talk about Slavros or any of the IronMarch guys. She mentions getting into National Socialism from posting on Deviantart (which she doesn't mention by name). She adds that she chose NS out of logic rather than how it affected her personally.
 

Dirty Bird

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I agree with the cheesy music. For those that don't feel like listening, she basically confirms that even after being convicted, her ideologies haven't changed and says that mass murderers don't feel pity for victims because they see other people/potential victims like objects, as part of a greater whole to their ideologies, like pieces on a chess board that can be sacrificed as part of a greater whole.

She basically says mass shootings are an attack on the public not against the specific person like enemies, and says it's an attack on the public. Like to eliminate those that won't contribute much to society and that are complacent and even describes them as sheeple.

And when he asks if she feels sorry for the lives that were lost and the victims that she hears about, she says she really doesn't feel any empathy for those people because when you have the mind of a mass shooter you don't see people as individuals, you see them as parts of a whole. And she says a lot of these people really are just pawns, because what do they really have to contribute other than equally unimpressive children.

I remember when the judge gave her a life sentence, the judge believe that she did not show any remorse and did not show any change in her ideologies, and I think in that reason the judge is correct.
 

RichardMongler

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I agree with the cheesy music. For those that don't feel like listening, she basically confirms that even after being convicted, her ideologies haven't changed and says that mass murderers don't feel pity for victims because they see other people/potential victims like objects, as part of a greater whole to their ideologies, like pieces on a chess board that can be sacrificed as part of a greater whole.

She basically says mass shootings are an attack on the public not against the specific person like enemies, and says it's an attack on the public. Like to eliminate those that won't contribute much to society and that are complacent and even describes them as sheeple.

And when he asks if she feels sorry for the lives that were lost and the victims that she hears about, she says she really doesn't feel any empathy for those people because when you have the mind of a mass shooter you don't see people as individuals, you see them as parts of a whole. And she says a lot of these people really are just pawns, because what do they really have to contribute other than equally unimpressive children.

I remember when the judge gave her a life sentence, the judge believe that she did not show any remorse and did not show any change in her ideologies, and I think in that reason the judge is correct.
From all that, I can safely assume Lindsay is a right-wing accelerationist. Apart from admiring Dylan and Eric, it seems to me Lindsay believes steadfast outbursts of violence will inevitably intensify the political situation to such an extreme degree where complacency is no longer an option and force the so-called sheeple to choose between one political option or the other. She probably felt her mass murder would serve those ends to accelerate while paying tribute to her idols.
 

AnotherForumUser

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From all that, I can safely assume Lindsay is a right-wing accelerationist. Apart from admiring Dylan and Eric, it seems to me Lindsay believes steadfast outbursts of violence will inevitably intensify the political situation to such an extreme degree where complacency is no longer an option and force the so-called sheeple to choose between one political option or the other. She probably felt her mass murder would serve those ends to accelerate while paying tribute to her idols.
Why do these Nazi LARP edgelords always think they're some kind of ubermemensch that wouldn't end up just dying like every other regular Joe or Jane in a civil war or infrastructure break down? Moreover, why would they want something like that to happen in the first place?
 

@Nighttimepod

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It's a solid interview that I'd recommend listening to. Only thing that's mildly distracting is the cheesy ambient music that's thankfully lost in the prison phone's sound quality.

Sadly, Lindsay doesn't talk about Slavros or any of the IronMarch guys. She mentions getting into National Socialism from posting on Deviantart (which she doesn't mention by name). She adds that she chose NS out of logic rather than how it affected her personally.
The ambient music served a duel purpose, first as you mentioned ambience was added to take help hide the crap prison phone system's quality and secondly using copy-written music during speech helps protect the speech from being used by media so freely. If they want to play a clip they will need to come to me for a version without the music beds thus allowing me to retain some control over what excerpts they take, etc... at least that's the plan!

Thanks for listening to the episode, also Slavros will come up in part 3 but really only in passing.
 

neural

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The ambient music served a duel purpose, first as you mentioned ambience was added to take help hide the crap prison phone system's quality and secondly using copy-written music during speech helps protect the speech from being used by media so freely. If they want to play a clip they will need to come to me for a version without the music beds thus allowing me to retain some control over what excerpts they take, etc... at least that's the plan!

Thanks for listening to the episode, also Slavros will come up in part 3 but really only in passing.
I have so many questions..

- From the time you talked, what do you make of Lindsay? Because for all of the very detailed information members have posted here, you're probably the only one who actually talked to her here.

- What you think drove her to do this? (I know that she probably explained it, but it's interesting to get an outsider's perspective, as opposed to how she rationalized it to herself).

- Did Kiwi Farms come up in your discussions? And if so, in what context?

- Do you have any intentions or ideas to revisit this case after some degree of time (obviously years).

I have more questions but I want to hear the 2 podcast episodes 1st before asking what could be redundant questions.
 

@Nighttimepod

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I have so many questions..

- From the time you talked, what do you make of Lindsay? Because for all of the very detailed information members have posted here, you're probably the only one who actually talked to her here.

- What you think drove her to do this? (I know that she probably explained it, but it's interesting to get an outsider's perspective, as opposed to how she rationalized it to herself).

- Did Kiwi Farms come up in your discussions? And if so, in what context?

- Do you have any intentions or ideas to revisit this case after some degree of time (obviously years).

I have more questions but I want to hear the 2 podcast episodes 1st before asking what could be redundant questions.
I don't want to hijack this good/awful thread of discussion about Lindsay with my ramblings! There will be at least 4 episodes so a lot of the questions will be answered as the series stretches on. Perhaps after I release them all and people have had a chance to listen and discuss them I'll answer some questions and provide background on whatever folks want to hear. In the meantime you are welcome to find me on facebook/twitter/instagram (@Nighttimepod) and I'll answer questions there as time allows.
 

Meowthkip

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I don't want to hijack this good/awful thread of discussion about Lindsay with my ramblings! There will be at least 4 episodes so a lot of the questions will be answered as the series stretches on. Perhaps after I release them all and people have had a chance to listen and discuss them I'll answer some questions and provide background on whatever folks want to hear. In the meantime you are welcome to find me on facebook/twitter/instagram (@Nighttimepod) and I'll answer questions there as time allows.
I'm just curious if she's aware that our board had our own school shooter that had a crush on her.

Welcome to the thread, BTW. Not all of us are completely terrible here.
 

RichardMongler

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The ambient music served a duel purpose, first as you mentioned ambience was added to take help hide the crap prison phone system's quality and secondly using copy-written music during speech helps protect the speech from being used by media so freely. If they want to play a clip they will need to come to me for a version without the music beds thus allowing me to retain some control over what excerpts they take, etc... at least that's the plan!

Thanks for listening to the episode, also Slavros will come up in part 3 but really only in passing.
Hey, it's no big deal. Were it not for you, I wouldn't have discovered the dark tunes of Vox Somnia who I downloaded after listening to this podcast. Looking forward to the other parts of this interview. Does she ever talk about the deviantartist known as Torture-Device?

Why do these Nazi LARP edgelords always think they're some kind of ubermemensch that wouldn't end up just dying like every other regular Joe or Jane in a civil war or infrastructure break down? Moreover, why would they want something like that to happen in the first place?
The reasons are as complicated and numerous as the individuals themselves, but I surmise the primary motivation for committing such acts of terror is to become judge, jury and executioner just for a moment; a final act of defiance or perhaps narcissistic self-gratification. Rejection, alienation and/or estrangement are recurring themes with many of these people, and even a cursory through this thread confirms Lindsay is no exception. It's common for those shunned by a group to then go over the top and say, "Yeah, I'm going to reject you harder!" It's a coping mechanism for cognitive dissonance to be sure.

As much as she claims to choose Fascism for the greater good, I fail to see how any person with decent prospects, talent or promise would choose extreme acts of unprovoked violence on complete strangers as means to better political ends. At the absolute most, the tragedy would be subject to a media circus for an indefinite period of time, and politicians would exploit the events as justification to pass gun control legislation. Within a couple generations (perhaps less), the event would be forgotten, and business would continue as usual. The events certainly could be cited to clamp down even harder on free speech, so I can only see this as a losing battle.

As to what would happen if such acts would inspire greater political violence should she survive the initial acts and walk free to commit more acts, I speculate people like Lindsay would wait for someone more competent to assume control and then take the next step. It's obvious Lindsay has neither the leadership skills necessary to organize a movement nor the charisma to earn even a small group of followers who'd cling to her every word. At most, she's a talented misanthropic fiction writer with a fetish for authoritarianism.
 

LiveFromNS

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Wonderful to see that @Nighttimepod knows about the Farms. Welcome and thanks for getting in contact with Lindsay!
Not to derail present subject, but apparently appeal documents have been filed by Lindsay's counsel. Here is a story that just appeared concerning the filing:

Details emerge in U.S. woman's appeal of sentence in Valentine's Day plot

Court documents claim it was unjust to expect the accused to prove she was remorseful
Brett Bundale · The Canadian Press · Posted: Feb 14, 2019 4:02 PM AT | Last Updated: an hour ago
New court documents reveal how Lindsay Souvannarath, who plotted to attack shoppers at a Halifax mall, plans to appeal her life sentence. (Andrew Vaughan/The Canadian Press)
New court documents reveal details of how one of the masterminds of a foiled plot to attack a Halifax mall on Valentine's Day plans to appeal her life sentence.

Lindsay Souvannarath is serving life in prison with no chance of parole for 10 years for plotting to kill shoppers at one of Atlantic Canada's busiest malls on Feb. 14, 2015 — four years ago Thursday.

The 27-year-old American conspired to throw Molotov cocktails into the food court at the Halifax Shopping Centre and then open fire, planning to end the massacre by committing suicide.

Documents filed this week with the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal lay out four grounds for appeal, including that the sentence was excessive for a youthful offender with no record and that it reflected the range for terrorism offences rather than conspiracy to commit murder.

Court documents also claim it was unjust to expect the accused to prove she was remorseful and renounce her anti-social beliefs, and that the sentence was dramatically longer than that imposed on an accomplice.

Her main co-conspirator was found dead in his home on the eve of the planned attack, while a third accomplice, the so-called cheerleader of the plot, was sentenced to a decade in jail.

Plot began with online relationship
The plot — dubbed "Der Untergang," or The Downfall — was concocted after Souvannarath developed an online relationship with Halifax teen James Gamble.

They began an online relationship, sharing a fascination with mass shootings and exchanging explicit intimate photographs, according to court documents.

Then they began plotting an attack, talking about weapons, ammunition and maximizing the number of dead and wounded.

The pair discussed whether they would taunt the victims before killing them, and what body count they would be happy with. They planned to carry knives with them, and stab people when they ran out of bullets.

They agreed to post a video of the slayings online to solidify their fame among the world's mass-murderers, the court documents say.

Souvannarath flew to Halifax on a one-way ticket with $33 in cash.

The plot was averted when police received an anonymous tip. Gamble killed himself as police tried to arrest him, while Randall Shepherd and Souvannarath were arrested at Halifax's airport on Feb. 13, 2015.

Inspired by Columbine killings
"The three fancied themselves to be mass shooters and were inspired by the shootings at Columbine High School," the appeal documents filed this week said. "All three appear to have lived isolated lives with few friends, and spent most of their time on the internet."

Souvannarath's parents have said she was bullied in school, rejected by her peers and struggled with being biracial.

During sentencing in Nova Scotia Supreme Court, Justice Peter Rosinski said Souvannarath continued to pose a threat to public safety.

He said she had not expressed remorse for her murderous plot, nor had she renounced her ideological motivations. He called her prospects for rehabilitation "very questionable."

Rosinski said "she continues to maintain her intended actions were justifiable. She has not expressed remorse for her involvement in this conspiracy to murder multiple persons."

He recommended intensive psychological and psychiatric counselling and treatment.

Souvannarath's appeal suggests the judge committed an error by imposing a burden on her to prove she was remorseful.

'Crushing' sentence, lawyer says
In court documents, her lawyer, Peter Planetta, called the sentence "crushing," saying it risks snuffing out any chance of rehabilitation.

"It is well beyond the normal range of sentences in conspiracy to commit murder cases."

Planetta also suggested the judge erred by comparing the offence to terrorism cases, saying "terrorism is about more then carnage and killings, it is an assault on democracy and our institutions, our way of life."

Rachael Collins, a criminology professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax who teaches about mass murder, said Souvannarath could be at risk of recidivism unless she gets "massive counselling."

She said most school shooters, such as the Columbine killers, will commit suicide or are sentenced to hundreds of years.

"We don't have a lot of information about whether or not they will recidivate because they're never getting out," Collins said in an interview. "The question is what happens when somebody gets out?"

Collins says Souvannarath exhibits signs of extreme narcissism.

"She could be a sociopath," she says, noting that the term describes people with a lack of empathy often as a result of a trauma such as bullying, social isolation, being ignored and extreme loneliness.

"It's never one answer. It's compounding issues."
SOURCE: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/u-s-woman-s-appeal-of-sentence-in-valentine-s-day-plot-1.5019816
 

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