This more then anything else underscores they just do not understand the material. GoT could have gratuitous amounts of sex because it was Low Fantasy and more importantly Martin deliberately set out to do the inverse of Lord of the Rings SPECIFICALLY, because there is no sex in Lord of the Rings.It's also been confirmed to have sex scenes, by the way. I get the feeling it will be half generic fantasy party and half GoT-ripoff. Or one or the other. All with checking off several diversity boxes, of course.
I should also post this, which was in the article as well.
Give them time. These people are literally Melkor. They can't create anything. They can only subvert or twist things other, better things have created.Seeing all this this hub bub about this 90% most likely shitty tv series of what is arguably Tolkien's best work makes me glad that Hollywood hasn't ever gotten their grimy fingers on Elric of Melnibone. A series that heavily inspired what shape Chaos took in Warhammer Fantasy and 40k.
Moorcock is apparently consonant with modern liberal insanity, so if adapted they might treat the material with some respect. It'll still be garbage, but at least they won't have ultra-bestial gorilla-faced negros wiping their asses on his name, like they did with Lovecraft Country.Seeing all this this hub bub about this 90% most likely shitty tv series of what is arguably Tolkien's best work makes me glad that Hollywood hasn't ever gotten their grimy fingers on Elric of Melnibone. A series that heavily inspired what shape Chaos took in Warhammer Fantasy and 40k.
In a writer like Lovecraft a terror of sex often combines (or is confused for) a terror of the masses, the 'ugly' crowd. But this is so common to so much 'horror' fiction that it's hardly worth discussing. Lovecraft is morbid. His work equates to that negative romanticism found in much Nazi art. He was a confused anti-Semite and misanthrope, a promoter of anti-rationalist ideas about racial 'instinct' which have much in common with Mein Kampf. A dedicated supporter of 'Aryanism', a hater of women, he wound up marrying a Jewess (which might or might not have been a sign of hope -- we haven't her view of the matter)Lovecraft appeals to us primarily when we are ourselves feeling morbid. Apart from his offensively awful writing and a resultant inability to describe his horrors (leaving us to do the work -- the secret of his success -- we're all better writers than he is!) he is rarely as frightening, by implication, as most of the other highly popular writers whose concerns are not with 'meeping Things' but with idealised versions of society. It's not such a big step, for instance from Farnham's Freehold to Hitler's Lebensraum.
I suppose LOTR's unity of righteous neighbors against an overarching, seemingly insurmountable evil does look a lot like fascism. Moorcock seems like he would side with Sauron just to stick to the uppity beautiful elves. Goddamn elves and their stupid pretty happy magical forest, not even a diversity, always looking down on the Maori elves! I HOPE THEY ROT! YOU GET EM SAURON!“I think he’s a crypto-fascist,” says Moorcock, laughing. “In Tolkien, everyone’s in their place and happy to be there. We go there and back, to where we started. There’s no escape, nothing will ever change and nobody will ever break out of this well-ordered world.”
The Eternal Leftist“I mean, Notting Hill had been a place of horror and violence in the 1960s and 1970s. My mother daren’t visit us. Next door was always knife fights and the police. But it was cheap and that’s what you need as a writer with a young family. Now look at it. It’s people in jodhpurs.”
although Moorcock is half Jewish
Yes but Tolkien doesn't bring it up again every 30 pages the way Jackson has at least one glamour shot of hairy ass hobbit feet every half hourIts noted in the books, hobbit feet have more hair.
Anyways, I'm not surprised. The show is going to suck regardless. I doubt it will actually have anything to do with the Second age of Tolkien's writings, and be some sort of generic off shelf fantasy with the LOTR brand.
Also half black, and I had the same experience. My dad who is otherwise a really intelligent and well-read black man, almost to a fault (the kind of pretentious ass who has Marcus Aurelius, Cicero, and Plato on his bookshelves) gives 0 fucks about LOTR, and it was a chore to even get him to sit down and watch the movies with me. I've practically given up on getting him to ever read the books. I don't understand why it's such a turnoff for him though.We wuz elves n sheet.
I'm so tired honestly. LotR is the whitest goddamn thing ever. It's fantasy Britain and its long sprawling mythos as written by Tolkien to mimic other fantastical European epics because, aside from King Arthur? Britian didn't have any like France or Germany or Scandinavia.
There is nothing wrong with it being white. And staying as it was. From my experience as someone who is half black? Black people don't give a SHIT about Lord of the Fucking Rings. They're basically pandering to other white people and not 'people of colour' cuz I can guarantee just like most of this fantasy and science fiction shit (see: demographics of GoT, Star Trek, SW fans, I.E, white people) having a black person in it isn't going to make them watch it because they simply don't give a shit about nerd crap. Why not pick a fantasy/Sci fi series to make a show on by a black writer? Why choose the whitest goddamn thing and shoehorn shit that was never intended?
At this point it boils down to these fart huffer showrunners wanna pat themselves on the back for doing literally nothing and ironically still promoting white culture instead of actually looking into black writers and adapting their works for shows.
Well, is real read in this case more like “literature”? Because I think pretentious people would think of it as not being real literature since it’s genre, even though it’s the high literature of its genre.Also half black, and I had the same experience. My dad who is otherwise a really intelligent and well-read black man, almost to a fault (the kind of pretentious ass who has Marcus Aurelius, Cicero, and Plato on his bookshelves) gives 0 fucks about LOTR, and it was a chore to even get him to sit down and watch the movies with me. I've practically given up on getting him to ever read the books. I don't understand why it's such a turnoff for him though.
What makes Eowyn special is that she's unique. If there are a bunch of women warriors, then she's just one more of the bunch.I also seem to recall the women in the movies being just fine being strong in their own without all this “diversity” crap.
All this needs is black muslim troon Gandalf and my expectations will be met. This is a trashfire on a scale hard to imagine it's not an april fools prank.Jim weighs in.
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My question is, why are Hobbit characters going to be in a story set in the 2nd age? They didn't exist back then or were very reclusive with small numbers. They didn't show up in any records until the Third Age.
I'm curious how they'll force them into the story. Unless Disclose.tv is in error, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if the people making this have only skimmed through wikis about what happened in the Second Age.
It's not in error:
For those who don't know: (From Concerning Hobbits)
They are not tribes. They are more like breeds that had general cultural trends. Hobbits when they lived in Wilderland were probably in groups of tightly-knit clans like the one Gollum used to live in. Hobbits are clannish, not tribalistic.
I know where you're coming from, but don't be silly. This show can't take away the joy of re-reading the books or re-watching the movies. It can't make you accept this shit as canon and waste your time with enduring their shitty show. See it as a means to compare the unique mastery of JRR Tolkien and... these shitheads rubbing their feces over their faces and making ape noises. Nothing they can do will tarnish what Tolkien has made. Nothing they do can force you to accept it as foundation for LOTR. See it for what it is: trust-fund kids flopping around with hack journos sucking their dicks out of habit. Laugh at the idiocy. Laugh at whoever's fucking stupid enough to watch it and laugh at those dumb enough to actually enjoy it.Yet another classic of my childhood destroyed. Makes one want to just get rid of all the TVs in their house.
My thoughts exactly.Good lord. I thought the movies had strong female characters is it because they weren't cunts like Captain Marvel?
This is easily the most hilarious aspect in this whole shitshow.Maori hobbits! I can't stop laughing. This is going to be terrible.
See above, if Eowyn doesn't tell Aragorn to fuck off, best him in a duel and smugly outsmarts him, she's not sTrOnG.Yeah I don't understand the whole "there's no strong women in Lord of the Rings" thing. Like many woke things they ignore stuff like that to pretend their garbage is special in some why.
Oh please, this desecration on one of modern literature's greatest achievements wishes it could work its way up into "generic off the shelf fantasy" territory. It's way worse than that.and be some sort of generic off shelf fantasy with the LOTR brand.
Cause there's no black heroes to identify with DUH.I don't understand why it's such a turnoff for him though.
If they knew about that, they'd just use it as justification for their decisions, saying it 'proves' that Tolkien would approve of it.Wasn't Tolkien rather progressive, even for a Victorian born aristocrat for his time?
In 1938, sometime after publishing The Hobbit, German publishers from Nazi Berlin requested if he was Aryan descent. He sent an angry letter back, going out his way to say "whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people." The German publishers responded by burning copies of The Hobbit. Ironically, Tolkien is of strong German descent.
During WW2, Tolkien wrote to his son Christopher who was serving in South Africa in the RAF, which he stated: "The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa."
Yeah, some old racist white guy alright!
As has been stated before, the events of the second age have somewhat anti-colonialist messages, though it seems to be more pro-"white mans burden" colonialism to enlighten the ignorant and anti-colonialist for the sake of extracting wealth. I'm not sure if this reflects Tolkien's views on the matter, though. I am fairly certain that Númenor (sans the Elf-Friends of course) will be the villains of this, not Sauron or the orcs because I bet these people think orcs=black people.During WW2, Tolkien wrote to his son Christopher who was serving in South Africa in the RAF, which he stated: "The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa."
Yeah, some old racist white guy alright!
Many of the colonies in the late stage were also made by Elf-friends fleeing persecution by the King's Men, too. They might just overlook that, though.The late stage numenorians were imperialists and this is depicted as a bad thing, the early stage numenorians are also imperialistic but more benovolent.
I seriously doubt the Amazon show will actually address that aspect of the second age.