Man, I saved up a bunch of quotes, inserted them in a post and promptly crashed it. Bollocks.
Can’t be arsed to go find them again, soz.
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...
In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.
Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/
Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:
Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)
Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
(my bold)
I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.
Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).
I’ve posted a little of my personal battle against troonery in the bad SRS/ gender quacks thread but a quick recap is
Can’t be arsed to go find them again, soz.
Re: estrogen making men more volatile/prone to anger and that feeling counterintuitive... I’ve been posting on another thread about dogs and how their behaviour is both nature and nurture combined (aggression is not purely a matter of how they are raised, it can be in their breeding of a result of being in pain, for example). I’m a firm believer in reminding ourselves that we are just mammals, big brained, complicated mammals, for sure, but still mammals. Reading this thread and the dog thread in tandem today and, well, incoming spergery ...
In dogs (especially male dogs) there is this pervasive idea that castration will fix a lot of behaviour issues, and it can work, but it’s dependent on what is the root of those behavioural issues.
What is rarely talked about is that in some dogs, perhaps in lots of dogs, castration can actually cause aggression, this kind of aggression is usually described as fear based aggression.
Extract from https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/new-research-does-neutering-help-with-aggression/
Some of the negative behaviors found in neutered male dogs in the study included:
- Rather than reduced aggression, the neutered male dogs in the study were found more likely to show aggression when strangers such as delivery workers were near the home, when the dog was approached by an unknown female dog and when small animals entered the yard.
- The study also found that the behaviors were worse in dogs that were neutered earlier.
- The neutered dogs also demonstrated more fear-based behaviors like reactions to loud noises and new situations.
- Intact dogs were less likely to eat feces – either their own or another dog’s. They were also less likely to roll in feces or other smelly things.
- Intact dogs were also less likely to bark persistently when they became alarmed.
- Intact dogs were less likely to mount objects, furniture or people.
- Intact dogs were also less likely to chase animals.
Why does this happen? Well, it’s broadly accepted that it’s caused by the reduction in circulating testosterone (which is what MtF troons induce in themselves, either with blockers (GnRHa drugs) anti androgens, or via abnormally high levels of oestrogen (via E mono therapy)
Quote from here: https://www.theveterinarynurse.com/...hs-commonly-associated-with-neutering-in-dogs
(my bold)
Increasing fearfulness
Circulating testosterone is associated with increased self confidence and reduced fearfulness (Terburg and van Honk, 2013) so castration can potentially increase fearfulness, especially in dogs that are already nervous.I don’t think it’s a big leap to assume that those MtF troons who already have low self confidence and/or social anxiety and choose to artificially suppress their testosterone via chemical or surgical castration will experience a similar rise in fear based aggression.
Male sex offenders have been treated with pretty much all the same drugs that are currently used in MtF transition, their use is pretty controversial because even when successful at killing off the libido, they either do nothing about the aggression or make it worse. This is why a male offender shouldn’t be able to use a cock chop as an entry ticket to a female prison, he’ll still be an aggressive sex offender, he’ll just be a) even angrier and b) more inventive in his pervery, now that he can‘t be a standard rapist (wannabe rapists with erectile dysfunction often resort to using objects for penetration, as any true crime fan knows).
I’ve posted a little of my personal battle against troonery in the bad SRS/ gender quacks thread but a quick recap is
I’ve always been around MtF troons and didn’t really care about them much beyond finding them a bit vacuous (the HSTS types) and a bit repulsive (the AGP types), it was always obviously a sexually motivated thing (for the HSTS it’s a sexual survival strategy, they love masculine, straight-seeming men and the combo of being at the bottom of the gay hierarchy and fancying the types of men at the top make troonery an almost logical game plan, eg ladyboys and their western equivalent, Blaire White types) and the AGPs were just knicker-wanking crossdressers, chasing their own fetish dragon until throwing their lives away over it as a midlife crisis. The handful of FtMs I’ve known were the megabutch lesbian equivalents of the HSTS types, always mistaken for men anyway so kind of easier just to roll with it and find yourself a femmelesbian, settle down and play out a public pseudoheterosexual lifestyle reverting to lesbianism in the bedroom - this all chimes with the pre Blanchard theory about transsexualism - that it’s a inverse form of sexual orientation (which is why the original naming had the ‘sexual’ suffix, not because you are changing sex, but because you are either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or transsexual, transsexuals having the sexual orientation/behaviour/motivations more typical of the opposite sex)
This was, of course, the olden times, when all the in-group language was different. MtFs divided themselves into TS/TV (TS are the ones that were originally called ‘true scum’ but like ‘terf’ that’s lost all meaning due to over use) and ‘cis’ wasn’t a thing (instead it was TG - Trans Girls and GG - Genetic Girls or RG - Real Girls). I don’t really know why but I’ve always ended up in social groups with perverts and degenerates, despite being pretty ‘vanilla’. I guess I give off vibes that get me erroneously invited to perverts dinner parties or something? I’ve never really cared what people do in their own homes/private sex clubs as long as it’s truly consensual (although the older I get the more I understand that what looks and feels like ‘consent’ might really be grooming or maladaptive responses to past trauma or whatever). Still, I’ve always been quite nonplussed and unshockable and not really bothered by other people’s weird shit, you do you, boo, just clean up properly after.
It was knowing the sexual motivations behind troonery and generally accepting them that made me go ‘hold the fuck on a minute’ when legions of tween and teen girls suddenly started ‘coming out’ and puff pieces about ‘trans kids’ started appearing on mainstream and prime time.
It just didn’t make any sense to me, and seemed obvious that whatever it was they were experiencing it wasn’t the same as the old TS/TV/ButchlesbianFtM phenomenon. I’d already begun falling through the Mumsnet terve radicalisation portal when ROGD arrived in our immediate social circle via a 13 year old nerdy girl (possibly undiagnosed high functioning autist) but it’s my worries and desire to protect her that has turned me into a walking, talking, tranny encyclopaedia. She’s not my kid, so I have to try and help her mum whilst appearing neutral enough not to alienate her. It’s pretty hard on her whole family and it’s breaking her parents hearts, who just want her to be healthy and happy. The influence is coming from online, but also from peers and from dickhead adults in school and in LGBT orgs. ‘Coming out’ has made her totally fucking miserable, she’s about as happy as Ellen/Elliot Page looks in photos. Thankfully her parents are holding the line against any sort of physical intervention and won’t play the pronoun powergame either, however it’s clearly not good for a kid ‘s psychological health to be living a split identity with teachers (!) calling them one name and affirming their cross sex delusions and parents doing the opposite. Luckily this is taking place on Terf Island so there is less fear about resisting this than there would be in say, Canada.
This place has really helped me understand the modern day INCEL/autist variation on the old AGPs (they come out A LOT earlier these days, which is probably good in terms of minimising the numbers of future transwidows and mentally scarred children of transitioners but also probably pretty awful in terms post transition happiness/physical health. I really worry about the adolescent boys who are being groomed into really early surgical intervention by middle aged and older AGPs who have thoroughly enjoyed their own dick and balls for decades) and the whatever the fuck it is that’s happening to girls - I suspect the Aidens are as different to the Gaydens as the old TS were different to the TVs. There is definitely some cross over between FTM and MTF motivations and behaviours and some common traits between the older trannies and the current ones, but the internet/pro troon media propaganda/online avatars/role play games/cross sex cosplay has caused some weird warps and sped the whole thing up.
I do think it will implode (there is too much conflict between new nonbinary propaganda and classic troonism propaganda and the inevitable purity spiral will damage all of it) but in the meantime, I want to prevent as many kids as possible from fucking their future health up, and one of the most effective ways to put them off is to just point at the absolute worst horrors from the older, uglier tranny population and let them reach their own conclusions.
No point in arguing on Twitter, documenting, disseminating and engaging with actual legal mechanisms (government consultations, contacting representatives, engaging in or fundraising for ‘lawfare’ etc) is much more effective.
This was, of course, the olden times, when all the in-group language was different. MtFs divided themselves into TS/TV (TS are the ones that were originally called ‘true scum’ but like ‘terf’ that’s lost all meaning due to over use) and ‘cis’ wasn’t a thing (instead it was TG - Trans Girls and GG - Genetic Girls or RG - Real Girls). I don’t really know why but I’ve always ended up in social groups with perverts and degenerates, despite being pretty ‘vanilla’. I guess I give off vibes that get me erroneously invited to perverts dinner parties or something? I’ve never really cared what people do in their own homes/private sex clubs as long as it’s truly consensual (although the older I get the more I understand that what looks and feels like ‘consent’ might really be grooming or maladaptive responses to past trauma or whatever). Still, I’ve always been quite nonplussed and unshockable and not really bothered by other people’s weird shit, you do you, boo, just clean up properly after.
It was knowing the sexual motivations behind troonery and generally accepting them that made me go ‘hold the fuck on a minute’ when legions of tween and teen girls suddenly started ‘coming out’ and puff pieces about ‘trans kids’ started appearing on mainstream and prime time.
It just didn’t make any sense to me, and seemed obvious that whatever it was they were experiencing it wasn’t the same as the old TS/TV/ButchlesbianFtM phenomenon. I’d already begun falling through the Mumsnet terve radicalisation portal when ROGD arrived in our immediate social circle via a 13 year old nerdy girl (possibly undiagnosed high functioning autist) but it’s my worries and desire to protect her that has turned me into a walking, talking, tranny encyclopaedia. She’s not my kid, so I have to try and help her mum whilst appearing neutral enough not to alienate her. It’s pretty hard on her whole family and it’s breaking her parents hearts, who just want her to be healthy and happy. The influence is coming from online, but also from peers and from dickhead adults in school and in LGBT orgs. ‘Coming out’ has made her totally fucking miserable, she’s about as happy as Ellen/Elliot Page looks in photos. Thankfully her parents are holding the line against any sort of physical intervention and won’t play the pronoun powergame either, however it’s clearly not good for a kid ‘s psychological health to be living a split identity with teachers (!) calling them one name and affirming their cross sex delusions and parents doing the opposite. Luckily this is taking place on Terf Island so there is less fear about resisting this than there would be in say, Canada.
This place has really helped me understand the modern day INCEL/autist variation on the old AGPs (they come out A LOT earlier these days, which is probably good in terms of minimising the numbers of future transwidows and mentally scarred children of transitioners but also probably pretty awful in terms post transition happiness/physical health. I really worry about the adolescent boys who are being groomed into really early surgical intervention by middle aged and older AGPs who have thoroughly enjoyed their own dick and balls for decades) and the whatever the fuck it is that’s happening to girls - I suspect the Aidens are as different to the Gaydens as the old TS were different to the TVs. There is definitely some cross over between FTM and MTF motivations and behaviours and some common traits between the older trannies and the current ones, but the internet/pro troon media propaganda/online avatars/role play games/cross sex cosplay has caused some weird warps and sped the whole thing up.
I do think it will implode (there is too much conflict between new nonbinary propaganda and classic troonism propaganda and the inevitable purity spiral will damage all of it) but in the meantime, I want to prevent as many kids as possible from fucking their future health up, and one of the most effective ways to put them off is to just point at the absolute worst horrors from the older, uglier tranny population and let them reach their own conclusions.
No point in arguing on Twitter, documenting, disseminating and engaging with actual legal mechanisms (government consultations, contacting representatives, engaging in or fundraising for ‘lawfare’ etc) is much more effective.
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One of the problems/features of being in a hugbox cult is that it makes your problems go away only when you obey the cult. That dopamine rush of affirmation can be taken away just as easily as it is given out.
