Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Sperghetti]

They think it's a few bad apples when really it's the entire system and people who support it.

Exactly. The problem many people have is that they do have solid, defined principles. They support the exact same ideas they always have, yet those ideas are no longer considered part of "their" political label anymore, and in some cases, are now considered to be opposing it.

Over time, I've come to realize that most political divisions aren't really based in hard ideology, they're just glorified social groups. And there's no shame in leaving a social group when they've decided that you and your values are expendable.

 

[LooneyTroons]

…Have we slept with the same chick?

lmao message me and we'll find out

 

[Florence]

lmao message me and we'll find out

Mine hasn’t actually shared any Ben Shapiro quotes but everything else sounds the same, right down to the pets. She goes on about being genderqueer and transgender on social media a lot, but she doesn’t actually do anything to back it up.

 

[LooneyTroons]

Mine hasn’t actually shared any Ben Shapiro quotes but everything else sounds the same, right down to the pets. She goes on about being genderqueer and transgender on social media a lot, but she doesn’t actually do anything to back it up.

Normally I wouldn't bring up a queer spergposting about tiny Ben cause cringe but it was just hilarious cause she called him white lmao.

 

[BucolicVisage]

Going to keep my PL to a minimum, but I have a friend that seems to have recently been sliding down the death spiral of eventual trannyism and I’m really at a loss for what to do about it. He’s quite a bit younger than me, in his second year of uni, but has never really ever gotten over his first ex-girlfriend. As long as I’ve known him after their relationship, he’s harbored some resentment for women in general, which was concerning but he never was too serious about it. Lately though, he’s been really starting to worry me. He seems to have lost all passion for the hobbies that used to interest him, and spends more and more time playing games and being online. He’s become completely obsessed with American politics, and this obsession has totally and completely overtaken his entire personality. No matter what anybody is talking about, when you run it by him, his response will be focused entirely on the slightest social justice/American political implication that could be perceived from the discussion. What’s really worrying is how quickly this happened, he’s gone from one of the most apathetic about sjw stuff out there to a devout true believer in less than a month. From the way he phrases his talking points, and the cookie cutter mantras he repeats, I can tell he’s fallen into the wrong crowd online and I fear that it will only get worse as he becomes more possessed by the social justice zeitgeist. It’s bad too because he already has a lot of the risk factors that would lead someone to tranny out, he’s definitely effeminate and I think he may have some AGP tendencies from a hentai/internet porn addiction. He repeats all the sjw phrases but he’s especially obsessed with the robotic “trans rights” mantra. Is there any way to pull him off of this slippery slope?

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

Is there any way to pull him off of this slippery slope?

I'm not an expert in the slightest so take this with a grain of salt, but my brain goes to taking him out and doing more things with him. The more he's separated from the pleasurebox, the better. It's hard to do however since you aren't his mom and can't force him.
I think it would be good to point out what you're observing to him - bluntly. Really, whether he's good or bad at social cues, its good to be straightforward and say "Dude what the fuck has been up with you lately?" (ok, maybe without swearing but you know, direct) This can be a good wake up call for him to reflect on where he himself is going as well as a gauge for you to figure out how deadset he is on these things and why. If he's cagey, then he's locked in on his path and its good to give up then and there - it means he won't want to change or have people tell him to. It's not impossible that he won't change his mind from there, just one of those things you know not to push because nothing can be done.

 

[Desu Mountain]

The most terrifying thing about this thread is the realization that had I been born just 5-10 years later I might have ended up chopping my dick off and committing suicide.

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

"I'm a pansexual nonbinary trans since I knew what those words meant."

No you're not. You never were. You were a sweet girl that loved cute things and celebrated your feminity. I wouldn't care if you were 'really' trans but you aren't. Then the riots hit and you met those fucking acab blm furries that taught you to draw characters with masectomy scars and constantly feel the need to tell me I'm valid. What have they done to you?

 

[Kiislova]

The most terrifying thing about this thread is the realization that had I been born just 5-10 years later I might have ended up chopping my dick off and committing suicide.

You cannot be an effeminate guy anymore. Not even an effeminate gay guy!
You are clearly a woman in a man body. Come get the chop.

 

[Desu Mountain]

You cannot be an effeminate guy anymore. Not even an effeminate gay guy!
You are clearly a woman in a man body. Come get the chop.

Well, I no longer look girly since I'm older, started working out and now have my hair short (though it was kinda fun having girls say they were jealous of my hair). But for fun let's go through the checklist of my teenage years, some of which still apply today.

Autist? Check.
Depressed loner? Check.
Sexually degenerate weeb? Check.
Unhealthily active on the Internet? Check.
Confused about my sexuality? Check.

I could go on, but you get the idea. I basically hit every checkbox for going nuts and trooning out. In fact, I did go nuts, but I didn't troon out because trooning out wasn't a thing yet.

Nowadays I have a small social circle I play board games with once a week or so, I've deleted all my social media, I work out once a week with one of my social workers (before anyone asks, yes, the government is in fact paying a guy to take me to the gym), and go outside at least once a day. Oh, yeah, and it turns out that I'm straight, but just happen to like my degenerate weeb porn to feature a female protagonist (AGP?). I'm also getting plenty of feedback on how not to act like a horrible creepy autist from Kiwi Farms.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I'm also getting plenty of feedback on how not to act like a horrible creepy autist from Kiwi Farms.

This is the most terrifying thing I've read this month.

 

[Desu Mountain]

This is the most terrifying thing I've read this month.

It's kinda like that "fat-shaming works" idea, except replace fat with autism. Seeing certain kinds of behavior get relentlessly mocked helps when reflecting on my own behavior. And I know it's working because I now have friends who not only tolerate my presence but actively invite me to board game night even though I don't have social media and basically never reach out to contact other people on my own initiative.

 

[Vingle]

You cannot be an effeminate guy anymore. Not even an effeminate gay guy!
You are clearly a woman in a man body. Come get the chop.

As a fag, that likes men. I’m fine with feminine men trooning out and offing themselves.
Being gay is only liking men, not being a weird crossover between man and woman. So it's both homo and transphobic to be a feminine guy. They really love to hear that.

 

[Pupworm]

they eased my anxieties about hanging out with all the class gays.

TERFism partly comes from disillusioned fag hags taking the power back, prove me wrong

They think it's a few bad apples when really it's the entire system and people who support it.

Yes. This is why I don't use preferred pronouns (I use 'they' for all trans-identifying people). If it really was only a case of bad apples, then I would. I wrote down my reasoning why. It might be useful for anyone who wants to challenge pronouns-in-email bullshit at work, or for when the topic comes up among normies.

Spoiler: Philosophy grad sperging

Using preferred pronouns falsely represents, to other people, your willingness to capitulate to the broader program of trans-activism.

Functionally, it signals your assent to the overarching political coalition in which the norm of 'respect pronouns' is situated.

But there is at least one major criticism of that overarching political coalition. And I think no one should be expected to (falsely) signal allegiance in any way to the coalition until it actually takes that criticism on board. 'Allyship', remember, implies a two-way relationship. If you are expected to be an 'ally', then you should have the right to negotiate what you will get in return.

Here's the criticism:

Point 1: A 'self-ID' policy or law means one which collapses the distinction between people who are 'women' according to empirically falsifiable criteria (what you can prove or disprove through your five senses, or, say brain imaging) and people who are 'women' according to their own claim to being women (and nothing more.)
Point 2: Analogously, an 'inclusive' definition of 'disability' is one which collapses the distinction between people with, say, broken spines and with serious mental illnesses including personality disorders
Point 3: Same thing with self-ID for sexual orientation. Who is 'queer'? How can you disprove it? You can't, because it's defined in such a way that empirical evidence is not needed.
Point 4: The 'diversity, equity, and inclusion' cultural belief system awards informal social prestige and support to trans status, woman status, disabled status, and 'queer' status.
Point 5: People who stand to benefit from the above also stand to benefit from the formal targets and accommodations of DEI programs increasingly common in Western universities, corporations, and schools.

Therefore, conclusion: We should expect 'inclusive' redefinitions of male/female, disability, and sexuality to incentivise personality-disordered heterosexual males to call themselves 'disabled queer women'.

And this is exactly what we see:

Of course anyone who identifies as a 'trans lesbian' may actually be a sensible, decent, and deserving person (and I'm not just saying that; look up Miranda Yardley and Debbie Hayton.) Their situation also seems in and of itself quite likely drive anyone slightly crazy: to be romantically and sexually attracted to the opposite sex while also having a strong desire to 'become' the opposite sex.

But this doesn't change the fact that the activists are pressing for policies which create perverse incentives to solve problems that could be solved in other ways. (One of the reasons given for self-ID laws is 'we'll be outed'. This is disingenuous, because the fact that being trans is a protected characteristic in several Western countries is evidence enough of how little trans people have to fear in the West from being 'outed'.)

 

[Fetish Roulette]

I didn't know where else to put this, but I just found out that one of my favorite content creators on Youtube trooned out. It's kind of disappointing to me, and I hope it doesn't impact the videos he makes.

 

[RobotGentleman]

I used to frequent more leftist circles, and I've had too many acquaintances troon out to list here. Some of them used to be good friends. Not anymore.

One of the last ones was a guy I used to hang out with online -- he has mild autism but was pretty friendly, energetic, relatively conservative, great to talk about games and tabletop with. Dude decided he'd been too closed-off with LGBT people and started talking with the more radical types to understand them better. He pretty quickly started identifying as genderfluid, then started insisting people call him by female pronouns whenever he felt especially "girly". Went off to college and now he's become a full-on troon, totally alienated himself from his otherwise religious family, thinks he's an "omnisexual lesbian" (what?) and was planning to go on hormones since the last time I spoke with him. His friend group's been more or less indoctrinated, and his girlfriend started identifying as a "he/they" not long after he trooned out.

I tried to talk him out of it at first, but he insisted he was fine, he was just experimenting, he wasn't really going to transition or anything. Now he genuinely believes he's a woman, and that the autistic detachment he sometimes feels from his body is dysphoria.

I still feel like there's more I could have done to keep him from down that road, and I still regret not trying harder.

 

[Aaa0aaa0]

I still feel like there's more I could have done to keep him from down that road, and I still regret not trying harder.

Even if there was more you could have done, it was all his choice. You could have tried your hardest and he still could have trooned. Don't beat yourself up too much - what's done is done, make peace with yourself when you can.

 

[Pupworm]

Dude decided he'd been too closed-off with LGBT people and started talking with the more radical types to understand them better. He pretty quickly started identifying as genderfluid, then started insisting people call him by female pronouns whenever he felt especially "girly".

If you are part of a social milieu that bases its moral norms significantly around 'isms' and 'phobias', then you have a perverse incentive to 'identify as' whatever category of person is supposed to be protected from 'isms' and 'phobias'.

from newthoughtcrime.com: As it turns out, pretty much anything in the world can be a sign of being trans. Anything, from happening to have personality traits and hobbies which are traditionally associated with the opposite sex, from preferring to have sex in a certain way, to experiencing severe dissociation and impulses to self harm, to for no apparent reason deriving enjoyment from being called by certain pronouns, is indicative of being trans. The toys you played with as a child can be indicative of being trans. And if not that, how often you cry can be indicative of being trans. And if you try hard enough, you can find at least one, if not several of these traits, in literally every single person on earth. In my opinion, this qualifies as the “mystical manipulation” element of how Lifton’s principles of mind control are applied to the transgender community.

 

[Bosmadden]

I used to frequent more leftist circles, and I've had too many acquaintances troon out to list here. Some of them used to be good friends. Not anymore.

One of the last ones was a guy I used to hang out with online -- he has mild autism but was pretty friendly, energetic, relatively conservative, great to talk about games and tabletop with. Dude decided he'd been too closed-off with LGBT people and started talking with the more radical types to understand them better. He pretty quickly started identifying as genderfluid, then started insisting people call him by female pronouns whenever he felt especially "girly". Went off to college and now he's become a full-on troon, totally alienated himself from his otherwise religious family, thinks he's an "omnisexual lesbian" (what?) and was planning to go on hormones since the last time I spoke with him. His friend group's been more or less indoctrinated, and his girlfriend started identifying as a "he/they" not long after he trooned out.

I tried to talk him out of it at first, but he insisted he was fine, he was just experimenting, he wasn't really going to transition or anything. Now he genuinely believes he's a woman, and that the autistic detachment he sometimes feels from his body is dysphoria.

I still feel like there's more I could have done to keep him from down that road, and I still regret not trying harder.

It's not your responsibility to save an adult from their own choices. You can offer advice if asked, you can even condemn dis civilizational behavior like trooning, but only if you're sure it won't effect your ability to provide for your family.

The only people I am responsible for are myself and my children. No one messes with my kids. Otherwise treat troons the same as gambling or drug addicts, feel bad for them but understand trying to help them will 99 times out of a 100 drag you down with them.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

I didn't know where else to put this, but I just found out that one of my favorite content creators on Youtube trooned out. It's kind of disappointing to me, and I hope it doesn't impact the videos he makes.

That happened to one of mine a while back RIP NyxFears. Miraculously, he's still putting out quality content with minimal 'transbian' sperging so there is still some hope for your creator. It's a sad thing though, even though you don't really know the person you don't want to see someone you appreciate self-harm.