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How many people in your life have you seen troon out?(not including cows)


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The Keebler Elf

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Sometimes I wonder if a subset of Troons just have some addictive personality.

Whether it’s drugs, a person, a hobby… they have to have something to obsess over.

Tbh the behavior was really similar to a drug addiction. The personality shift, the lying. It probably felt natural to him to be in that kind of chaos again. Chasing that dopamine high.

Then again, I think his obsession with his lesbian best friend started first. I think if she had been straight, he would’ve just tried for a regular old affair and not tried to pull the transbian card.

And also, I think drug addiction causes some sort of morality decay. I mean, the shit he could rationalize was so bizarre. Every fucked up think had a logical explanation to him so obviously he could do no wrong. I guess when you’re addicted to drugs or ladyboners you come up with all sorts of reasons why it’s okay. It would explain how some of these troons can abandon their families and then pat themselves on the back.

I’m pretty sure one AGP was cured after he went on Wellbutrin - the same medication that helps with nicotine and gambling addiction.
Some people seem to try and "transition" because they personally fail to live up to ideal gender roles. If you look at someone like Narcissa Wright (I only know of Cosmo from the MATI stream), it's as if men that are weird or effeminate fail as being men and decide to try being women.

There are probably other factors, and it's a real shame because any research into what could cause people to troon out will never be done due to political correctness. If it was ever discovered that things like homosexuality and transgenderism were caused by sexual abuse as a child or mental illness (a theory that has now fallen out of style), these people would have to come to terms that they're damaged and it's not an identity. Another factor, imo, is narcissism. I think the biggest example of what's called autogynephilia (basically straight dudes thinking they would look hot if they were a female) is ContraPoints.

I think we're looking at a Dark Age where countless zoomers are going to be put in dresses and get fucked up psychologically by their retard parents. Maybe 50 or 60 years from now we'll learn just how badly modern medicine has fucked up society by affirming mental illness, but everything will be fucked going forward for decades.
 

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His dad is heartbroken, seeing the two boys that spent their entire childhood with eachother grow apart, but he seems to be happy still that I'm still around. While I'm not trying to be his son, I'm trying to be something between a son and a friend, hence me popping by every once in a while. He's an old, show no emotion stoic type, but I know he's in pain. He just is pretending to be strong.

His sisters luckily have eachother for comfort. The pretend to be okay with it, but I am sure even my former friend can tell it's just an act. I can see the discomfort in their eyes, and they have hardly gone out in public with him since his transition, whereas before they would go out at least once a week to spend time with one another. Hell a few weeks ago one of them called me to help change their flat tire, rather than calling their former brother.
Well, if you don't mind, we would appreciate you coming by once in a while and updating us about what's going on. I hope everything goes well in the future.
 

teriyakiburns

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Some people seem to try and "transition" because they personally fail to live up to ideal gender roles.
I can anecdotally confirm this to a degree. One of the guys in my old gaming group (still bitter, oh well) occasionally expressed regret at being unable to live up to the ideal of his father who is apparently a real stoic, old-fashioned sort of guy, seriously hung up on being a man's man. Very outdoorsy, likes old cars and old rifles. Also an engineer of some sort, I believe. His son is in sciences and a bit of a twinky faggot. Has no idea how to fix anything mechanical at all and isn't interested learning how, nor in going hunting or camping. The mother died when he was young, so his perception of femininity is rooted in that traumatic loss, heavily idealised, and filtered through untouchable female figures in media.

As far as I can tell his only idea of masculinity is his father, who he doesn't share any commonality with, so he decided he must be feminine and came out as a tranny purely because of that. We were relatively close before the collective troonening. Out of all of them, I occasionally find myself wondering if I could have said something at the right moment to stop his descent.
 

The Keebler Elf

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I can anecdotally confirm this to a degree. One of the guys in my old gaming group (still bitter, oh well) occasionally expressed regret at being unable to live up to the ideal of his father who is apparently a real stoic, old-fashioned sort of guy, seriously hung up on being a man's man. Very outdoorsy, likes old cars and old rifles. Also an engineer of some sort, I believe. His son is in sciences and a bit of a twinky faggot. Has no idea how to fix anything mechanical at all and isn't interested learning how, nor in going hunting or camping. The mother died when he was young, so his perception of femininity is rooted in that traumatic loss, heavily idealised, and filtered through untouchable female figures in media.

As far as I can tell his only idea of masculinity is his father, who he doesn't share any commonality with, so he decided he must be feminine and came out as a tranny purely because of that. We were relatively close before the collective troonening. Out of all of them, I occasionally find myself wondering if I could have said something at the right moment to stop his descent.

Personally, I don't think there's a lot you can do as someone's friend to talk them out of it. If it was something he strongly believed at the time, he probably would have rejected it. Chances are that he had some kind of "support group" that could have talked him into the idea, and would have affirmed his beliefs about being a woman even if you had said something. It makes a lot of sense for your friend to have a weird view on femininity because the loss of his mother, and I suppose that's another potential factor for why someone would believe they are the other sex. It kind of reminds me of Chris Chan; he had a bad relationship with Rob (from what little I know of Christory), had a strange attachment to his mother, and only had female friends. Perhaps with Chris, having women be good to him could have led him to believe he should be a woman too. I also have personal experience with the inverse; I had a female friend in high school, who I now believe is attempting to be a manlet.

With women I think it's different. Women, especially younger ones, are being socially engineered to become like men: have a job and only focus on your career. My friend was a tomboy, and she didn't feel like she wanted to do the kind of things women are expected to do by society: have a family, have children. I think that some women are attracted to transitioning because the mental gymnastics the trans lobby I guess you would call them have this fucked up view of what it means to be male and female. Basically they're saying, "If you don't fit these gender stereotypes, it's time for HRT because you're a tranny." I have no idea what she's up to now; she did go to college, so that probably fucked her up even more. Also, she was never formally diagnosed but she could have been autistic and seemed to believe she was herself.

I hope your friend's dad is okay. I can't imagine being a father and seeing your son go through something like that. I want to have children myself, but it seems incredibly risky. I wonder how much people deciding they're trans has to deal with being exposed to certain things online. I have a family member, who's only tangentially related, who's a zoomer that thinks he's a girl. I don't know personally, but I assume being online (maybe even on Discord specifically) resulted in him getting groomed.
 

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If it was ever discovered that things like homosexuality and transgenderism were caused by sexual abuse as a child or mental illness
It's already pretty much an open scientific secret they're correlated with childhood abuse and autism.

these people would have to come to terms that they're damaged and it's not an identity
I think many of us non-straight people already know we're damaged. The lie that we're not is just for the public in order to save face, not get accused of being self-pitying, protect our families' feelings, and get one over the kinds of people who abused us.
 

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With women I think it's different
My theory is that with women trans culture at least partially originates from slashy fandoms. I don't have any statistics of course, but I'm kinda sure that 90% of FtMs started as fujoshis (I read this thread and many mention this issue too). Hetero romance has always been an important for girls, they can be cringey and totally old-fashioned but they serve as role-models. M/M shipping was not very popular in 1990-s but saw great raise with the raise of Internet in 2000-s and continiues growing. Imagine a teen girl simping over two imaginable males for years, with time it becomes a fetish. I saw girls who openly said that they can't enjoy hetero stories, because they needed it to be 2 males. The second step of that development is to factually become a male and enter the gay relationships she dreamed about. Of course the reality is a bit different as we can see on the related threads on KF lol.

PS it's not an anti-slash take by any means, everyone can jerk off to anything he/she likes, but the tendency I obesrved over years. The sheer amout of fujoshi slowly evolving into they/them and finally trooning out makes one think. Also, I think there is similar pattern with males and yuri / lesbian porn.
 

Leeroy

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Hopefully I don't powerlevel too much, but I got a close trans friend who was thinking of transitioning for the past few years and started taking HRT a couple months ago. I'm afraid he'll become a troon or kill himself/ruin his life. The big problem with his transition, though, is he's masculine as fuck and there is no damn way he'll pass regardless of what he does. I dunno if he knows this, or if he doesn't, what'll happen once he finds out. I seriously don't want anything bad to happen, especially cause he has mental illness and very bad coping skills. He's still my friend through all this, y'know?

Then there's the other problem, all my friends are very supportive of this. While I'm ok with it (or at least don't say my true opinions, so everyone thinks I go along perfectly fine), one of my friends got a bit snooty at another for accidentally misgendering him, then backtracked and said she 'wasn't angry'. That shit pisses me off, people are gonna make mistakes and railing on them for that can and will make the problem worse. Case in point, I'm talking about it here.

I've known the dude since middle school, but both my memory and ability to form new habits are literal garbage, so I'm inevitably gonna misgender him or call him by the wrong name by accident, and I doubt it'll go well with my friend group. Trying to talk him out of this would likely, at best, get me kicked out of their group, and at worst could make my friend's poor mental state even worse.

I'm just sorta afraid of what'll happen when I eventually slip up, his body is very masculine so I gotta think about every single word I say before I speak instead of letting the words out naturally (especially cause I call everyone I know dude or guy regardless of gender), and replace 'him' with 'her' and one name with another every time I speak to him. It's just so damn tiring. I want this to end happily, but I know that'll never happen.
 

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I'm just sorta afraid of what'll happen when I eventually slip up, his body is very masculine so I gotta think about every single word I say before I speak instead of letting the words out naturally (especially cause I call everyone I know dude or guy regardless of gender), and replace 'him' with 'her' and one name with another every time I speak to him. It's just so damn tiring.
Be ready to get a new friend group?


Sure, it's mean and the next one will probably have trannies somewhere down the line. But it's important to remember that you are under no obligation to hang out with him if you're feeling uncomfortable about it.
 

Kiislova

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Hopefully I don't powerlevel too much, but I got a close trans friend who was thinking of transitioning for the past few years and started taking HRT a couple months ago. I'm afraid he'll become a troon or kill himself/ruin his life. The big problem with his transition, though, is he's masculine as fuck and there is no damn way he'll pass regardless of what he does. I dunno if he knows this, or if he doesn't, what'll happen once he finds out. I seriously don't want anything bad to happen, especially cause he has mental illness and very bad coping skills. He's still my friend through all this, y'know?

Then there's the other problem, all my friends are very supportive of this. While I'm ok with it (or at least don't say my true opinions, so everyone thinks I go along perfectly fine), one of my friends got a bit snooty at another for accidentally misgendering him, then backtracked and said she 'wasn't angry'. That shit pisses me off, people are gonna make mistakes and railing on them for that can and will make the problem worse. Case in point, I'm talking about it here.

I've known the dude since middle school, but both my memory and ability to form new habits are literal garbage, so I'm inevitably gonna misgender him or call him by the wrong name by accident, and I doubt it'll go well with my friend group. Trying to talk him out of this would likely, at best, get me kicked out of their group, and at worst could make my friend's poor mental state even worse.

I'm just sorta afraid of what'll happen when I eventually slip up, his body is very masculine so I gotta think about every single word I say before I speak instead of letting the words out naturally (especially cause I call everyone I know dude or guy regardless of gender), and replace 'him' with 'her' and one name with another every time I speak to him. It's just so damn tiring. I want this to end happily, but I know that'll never happen.
You can use the tried and tested "do not engage" and avoid interacting at all with that person.
 

Ser Prize

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My theory is that with women trans culture at least partially originates from slashy fandoms. I don't have any statistics of course, but I'm kinda sure that 90% of FtMs started as fujoshis (I read this thread and many mention this issue too). Hetero romance has always been an important for girls, they can be cringey and totally old-fashioned but they serve as role-models. M/M shipping was not very popular in 1990-s but saw great raise with the raise of Internet in 2000-s and continiues growing. Imagine a teen girl simping over two imaginable males for years, with time it becomes a fetish. I saw girls who openly said that they can't enjoy hetero stories, because they needed it to be 2 males. The second step of that development is to factually become a male and enter the gay relationships she dreamed about. Of course the reality is a bit different as we can see on the related threads on KF lol.

PS it's not an anti-slash take by any means, everyone can jerk off to anything he/she likes, but the tendency I obesrved over years. The sheer amout of fujoshi slowly evolving into they/them and finally trooning out makes one think. Also, I think there is similar pattern with males and yuri / lesbian porn.
Just like how lesbian obsessed dudes troon out to try and live their uwu yuri fantasies. Christ gay acceptance was a mistake.
 

PeggieBigCock

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I made a friend who I later realized was trans, at an unrelated point I made a joke about people molested as kids, and this person confessed to me they were groomed since childhood and effectively touched and raped before puberty, they are a talented illustrator and as a writer I’d like them to illustrate for my works. I’ve also lost tranny friends to post trump Covid psychosis, and momentary fuckups of pronouns, I have fucked up my new superior art friends pronouns, to my humiliation and momentary self beration, they truly are confused and damaged and I truly empathize with that. They are the exception to the sea of “agender” they/them white women for whom I have NO tolerance for. They are an authoritative blight, and this particular individual shares my beliefs on that fact. That “trans” white women aren’t authentically “trans” they agree that these things are incels and grifters, my feelings are mixed but I do respect this person,
 

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I made a friend who I later realized was trans, at an unrelated point I made a joke about people molested as kids, and this person confessed to me they were groomed since childhood and effectively touched and raped before puberty, they are a talented illustrator and as a writer I’d like them to illustrate for my works. I’ve also lost tranny friends to post trump Covid psychosis, and momentary fuckups of pronouns, I have fucked up my new superior art friends pronouns, to my humiliation and momentary self beration, they truly are confused and damaged and I truly empathize with that. They are the exception to the sea of “agender” they/them white women for whom I have NO tolerance for. They are an authoritative blight, and this particular individual shares my beliefs on that fact. That “trans” white women aren’t authentically “trans” they agree that these things are incels and grifters, my feelings are mixed but I do respect this person,
That's just sad. Your friend needs actual, genuine therapy. Not the tranny bandaid.
 

EiTC

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My theory is that with women trans culture at least partially originates from slashy fandoms. I don't have any statistics of course, but I'm kinda sure that 90% of FtMs started as fujoshis (I read this thread and many mention this issue too). Hetero romance has always been an important for girls, they can be cringey and totally old-fashioned but they serve as role-models. M/M shipping was not very popular in 1990-s but saw great raise with the raise of Internet in 2000-s and continiues growing. Imagine a teen girl simping over two imaginable males for years, with time it becomes a fetish. I saw girls who openly said that they can't enjoy hetero stories, because they needed it to be 2 males. The second step of that development is to factually become a male and enter the gay relationships she dreamed about. Of course the reality is a bit different as we can see on the related threads on KF lol.

PS it's not an anti-slash take by any means, everyone can jerk off to anything he/she likes, but the tendency I obesrved over years. The sheer amout of fujoshi slowly evolving into they/them and finally trooning out makes one think. Also, I think there is similar pattern with males and yuri / lesbian porn.

I agree with this, along with gender role-escapism. Also, the slashfic origin created a self serving ouroboros of woke "Stop writing MLM if you aren't a man, it's fetishizing." along with "If you're female and enjoy a lot of MLM, have you questioned if you're actually female?" among other faux intellectual identity-isms. Far too many people I've seen say they had their "trans awakening" through fanfiction, and I just have to wonder... you've never thought about that any deeper than that? Or think it's weird you're making permanent, life ruining decisions based on fanfiction?

Also I can't help but laugh the same woke crowd HATES straight men jerking it to lesbian porn, but the second a man says he's a woman (beard, girlydick and all!) he gets a free pass, and their tiny little brains are satisfied. Another win for progressivism!
 

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Person in friend circle who trooned out has honed in on me for advice and it sucks. Did not take “thigh highs and a bodycon dress are not appropriate for dinner” well. Also insisted he passes and sent a face shot. I don’t think they ever pass but this was especially gutsy coming from a guy taking horse piss for less than 2 months. Also, it’s not the face that clocks… it’s the whole package.

Anyways if you guys have any tips for making him cry while appearing to mean well, let me know. shit is hilarious.
 

DumbDude42

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Person in friend circle who trooned out has honed in on me for advice and it sucks. Did not take “thigh highs and a bodycon dress are not appropriate for dinner” well. Also insisted he passes and sent a face shot. I don’t think they ever pass but this was especially gutsy coming from a guy taking horse piss for less than 2 months. Also, it’s not the face that clocks… it’s the whole package.

Anyways if you guys have any tips for making him cry while appearing to mean well, let me know. shit is hilarious.
next time he asks you for advice, give him a long list of things that prevent him from ever passing and that he can't realistically change. pick and choose the ones which apply to him, like don't say hes too tall to pass if he's actually a tiny manlet, don't say hands too large if he has tiny baby hands, etc

>shoulders too wide
>barrel chest
>chad jawline
>visible facial hair even after shaving
>large man hands
>large man feet
>large man nose
>large man brow ridge
>deep set hunter eyes
>narrow hips
>naturally male posture due to naturally smaller hip angle
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of course you can also get into the real brutal stuff, like "you have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no vagina, you have no breasts, all the surgery in the world can never give you the real thing" but that'll trigger him too hard which you said you want to avoid, so probably don't do this unless pushed

basically give him the whole "you will never be a woman, you will never pass" talk without the obvious insults and memes, but make sure to drive home that these things are immutable and he can never really change them
 

tiggles

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next time he asks you for advice, give him a long list of things that prevent him from ever passing and that he can't realistically change. pick and choose the ones which apply to him, like don't say hes too tall to pass if he's actually a tiny manlet, don't say hands too large if he has tiny baby hands, etc

>shoulders too wide
>barrel chest
>chad jawline
>visible facial hair even after shaving
>large man hands
>large man feet
>large man nose
>large man brow ridge
>deep set hunter eyes
>narrow hips
>naturally male posture due to naturally smaller hip angle

of course you can also get into the real brutal stuff, like "you have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no vagina, you have no breasts, all the surgery in the world can never give you the real thing" but that'll trigger him too hard which you said you want to avoid, so probably don't do this unless pushed

basically give him the whole "you will never be a woman, you will never pass" talk without the obvious insults and memes, but make sure to drive home that these things are immutable and he can never really change them
Yeah for sure I’m trying to do it in a way that’s extra subtle if anybody has ideas. I already dropped the “you should size up that dress it doesn’t fit your shoulders” but I think it flew over his head.
 

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Yeah for sure I’m trying to do it in a way that’s extra subtle if anybody has ideas. I already dropped the “you should size up that dress it doesn’t fit your shoulders” but I think it flew over his head.
Tell him to apply more makeup without mentioning the fact that he'll look like a clown.
 

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Yeah for sure I’m trying to do it in a way that’s extra subtle if anybody has ideas. I already dropped the “you should size up that dress it doesn’t fit your shoulders” but I think it flew over his head.
Yeah that's way too subtle for people who are in the cult. Try commenting on his social relationships, e.g. "haven't seen X in a while, probably not since your transition actually, same for Y and Z" for pre-troon friends. Also be sure to embarrass him about any new troon friends or subreddits/discords/etc especially in front of friends and family, like "wow nice friend, too bad 'she' is having trouble getting HRT. Oh, it's been 2 years of it? Huh."
 

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