Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[LurkNoMore]

Also said person does NOT even remotely pass ofc.

None of them pass. Literally none of them.

 

[Aib Ld]

I recently found a screenshot she sent me long ago where she was at on her Discord and some friend in her DMs said the same thing that was on my mind back then: "You're making me walk on eggshells. That's unhealthy for both of us. You weren't like this before." It was one of those pics she would send for the typical 'this friend is mean' bombs I would get. My response was "I don't know what is the context though". She blew up at me.
I want to post it here, but no idea if its too powerlevel-y even if I censor the names.
Even then, the implications that she abandoned everyone who genuinely wanted to help her, to instead join a love-bombing cult is horrifying. And I didn't even notice it.

So I came across the screenshot on cleaning up my computer and there was more than I thought. I felt like I want to post it here, but didn't want to for privacy.... but T (the trans ex-friend) did sent me these screenshots for gaslighting or whatever. Reading them makes the context makes the context more obvious than ever, while back then I was like 'I need context for both sides' while she wouldn't give me anything, just that the person is 'projecting', aggressive, and whatnot. They're even supposed to be private DMs too.
Still not sure to post them here anyway, with censored names and all.

EDIT: Ah fuck it, if I want to fully forget about her, then I maybe need to reveal what she tried to do to me. White is T, blue is the friend who tried to snap her out of it, and orange's is T's sister. There's a hour of missing chat logs, and I could guess that very personal stuff, and looking at personal stuff doesn't vibe well with me. I hope the guy out there is fine with me revealing chat logs, I can tell he has enough of her and knew tough love to say the truth that shes on her own on whatever consequences that comes before pushing her off. Maybe I need to stop being too nice one of these days...

Spoiler: logs

 

[Vect]

The reason why I said Marxism in school is causing this is because Marxism want to sexualise children. This is not just because Marxism draws in pedos like a Popeyes draws in niggers but that children are not politically active. Once a child becomes sexualised you can mould them in any political way you want. Once a child realises sexuality, that innocence is gone and you can cut off that parent child connection. Marxists want to destroy childhood innocence for the good of their sick cause.

...Wait, what?

I don't remember that being mentioned at the Communist Student Union booth at uni.

 

[teriyakiburns]

...Wait, what?

I don't remember that being mentioned at the Communist Student Union booth at uni.

Marxist dialectics very quickly adopted the sexual liberation of children as a means to break down the structure of capitalist society and the family unit. Marx himself didn't have much to say on the topic, but subsequent philosophers found justification for the stance in the fact that family relationships and the preservation of childhood innocence are social stabilisers. These thinkers also wanted to "liberate" themselves from the shackles of a society that prevented them from satisfying their immediate desires whenever they wished, whether that was to eat, sleep , or rape little boys. Unsurprisingly, many of these philosophical positions were french in origin.

 

[Sperghetti]

So I came across the screenshot on cleaning up my computer and there was more than I thought. I felt like I want to post it here, but didn't want to for privacy.... but T (the trans ex-friend) did sent me these screenshots for gaslighting or whatever. Reading them makes the context makes the context more obvious than ever, while back then I was like 'I need context for both sides' while she wouldn't give me anything, just that the person is 'projecting', aggressive, and whatnot. They're even supposed to be private DMs too.
Still not sure to post them here anyway, with censored names and all.

EDIT: Ah fuck it, if I want to fully forget about her, then I maybe need to reveal what she tried to do to me. White is T, blue is the friend who tried to snap her out of it, and orange's is T's sister. There's a hour of missing chat logs, and I could guess that very personal stuff, and looking at personal stuff doesn't vibe well with me. I hope the guy out there is fine with me revealing chat logs, I can tell he has enough of her and knew tough love to say the truth that shes on her own on whatever consequences that comes before pushing her off. Maybe I need to stop being too nice one of these days...

Spoiler: logs

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Hold on... so White sent you these screenshots as being some kind of damning evidence against Blue, who is shown giving some of the most straightforward, level-headed criticism I have seen in a very long while? Is she completely delusional?

 

[Aib Ld]

Hold on... so White sent you these screenshots as being some kind of damning evidence against Blue, who is shown giving some of the most straightforward, level-headed criticism I have seen in a very long while? Is she completely delusional?

Yeah. Back then I was pretty naive, and wanted to see both sides of the conversation before I could make judgement since I thought Blue was being a bit brutal. Little did I know that it is the evidence I needed to get the fuck out and cut ties with T/White but I didn't. Never had I felt so stupid reading the whole thing again recently.
Can't tell if I was lovebomed a bit to not consider that immediately or I just refused to see the red flags of a 'friend' I already lost but still hanging to.

 

[NerdShamer]

Marxist dialectics very quickly adopted the sexual liberation of children as a means to break down the structure of capitalist society and the family unit. Marx himself didn't have much to say on the topic, but subsequent philosophers found justification for the stance in the fact that family relationships and the preservation of childhood innocence are social stabilisers. These thinkers also wanted to "liberate" themselves from the shackles of a society that prevented them from satisfying their immediate desires whenever they wished, whether that was to eat, sleep , or rape little boys. Unsurprisingly, many of these philosophical positions were french in origin.

Yeah, I remember reading about this. It's pretty much like running a child sex ring, but with extra steps. It started with nudism and allowing the children to feel up their moms without consequences, IIRC.

 

[Shawtysm]

Some thoughts

IMO the best way I can see understand this and the overall trans fixation on 'you're erasing my existence' is to look at it in terms of the theory that 'Lisa' is a mental structure produced via dissociation and compartmentalisation - a kind of mind-within-a-mind.

If this were true, then Richard Dawkins is literally threatening the existence of 'Lisa'. Any info which destabilises the beliefs and behaviours that hold the mind-within-a-mind (dissociative identity) together actually *DOES* threaten the 'existence' of 'Lisa'. It threatens the sleeping over-mind's ability to continue to believe that it is Lisa and nothing more than Lisa.

'Lisa' may have started existence as an autogynephilic sexual fantasy. This man may have gained comfort by deliberately acting out the part of Lisa via crossdressing etc. Over time, however, this habit was entrenched, so that he acted like 'Lisa' without realising it. This would likely have entrenched the dissociation and compartmentalisation.

Similarly, in schizophrenia, superficially nonsensical or enigmatic statements have actually been recognised to be oblique attempts to communicate things going on in the person's head. I would recommend R.D. Laing's book 'The Divided Self' if you want to learn more.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Some thoughts
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IMO the best way I can see understand this and the overall trans fixation on 'you're erasing my existence' is to look at it in terms of the theory that 'Lisa' is a mental structure produced via dissociation and compartmentalisation - a kind of mind-within-a-mind.

If this were true, then Richard Dawkins is literally threatening the existence of 'Lisa'. Any info which destabilises the beliefs and behaviours that hold the mind-within-a-mind (dissociative identity) together actually *DOES* threaten the 'existence' of 'Lisa'. It threatens the sleeping over-mind's ability to continue to believe that it is Lisa and nothing more than Lisa.

'Lisa' may have started existence as an autogynephilic sexual fantasy. This man may have gained comfort by deliberately acting out the part of Lisa via crossdressing etc. Over time, however, this habit was entrenched, so that he acted like 'Lisa' without realising it. This would likely have entrenched the dissociation and compartmentalisation.

Similarly, in schizophrenia, superficially nonsensical or enigmatic statements have actually been recognised to be oblique attempts to communicate things going on in the person's head. I would recommend R.D. Laing's book 'The Divided Self' if you want to learn more.

"his feelings matter more to him than my life"

as they should

 

[Russ]

I'm a lefty myself so I have quite a few trans friends. While I support doing whatever the fuck you want with yourself, I do not support harassing people into complying with your fictional world. Aka The current trans movement horrifies me.

Regardless, I've known about 20-30 (somewhere within that range) people who've trooned out.

The most horrifying cases were two of my closest friends growing up (who did not know each other).

The first one was just a lolcow in her own right (FtM now diagnosed with BPD and self diagnosed with DID or some shit) but she detransitioned. Fucked up her voice, body (double mastectomy), and a bunch of other shit with hormones and botched surgeries. She's just about 32 and has the IQ and EQ of someone half her age. Stopped talking to her because pozloading my neghole is less entertaining than it seems.

The second was one of the most beautiful women I've ever met inside and out. She had internalized homophobia and tried to go FtM. I was able to sit her down one day and really talk to her about it, and a lot of it was hating her sexuality and body because she felt women needed to be with men, and she was sexually abused as a child. She detransitioned and remained cis for 5 years up until her death this year. Miss the shit out of her daily. Watched her grow up for most of her life and we were two peas in a pod.

The other troons are mainly MtF and don't even attempt to pass. No hormones, surgeries, fashion changes, hair changes, makeup, etc. but still expect to be seen as a dainty and natural woman.

If the woke crowd hates cultural appropriation, why don't they hate gender appropriation as well?

 

[NerdShamer]

If the woke crowd hates cultural appropriation, why don't they hate gender appropriation as well?

Because it'll count as body-shaming and they will subsequently eat their own.

Besides, the hardcore feminists were pushing this angle, so it also counts as a TERF talking point.

 

[Shawtysm]

All around me are familiar faces
'Trans queer aces'
In gay spaces
For their healthy bodies, so ungracious
They're ableist and sometimes racist

All the handmaids filling up their mentions
"Don't repress his
Gender expression!"
Hide my head I wanna drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow

And I find it kind of funny, I find it kind of sad
How 'you need a better hobby' is the best response they have
I find it hard to tell you
I find it hard to take
When gaydens cut their breasts off it's a very very
Clown world

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

Marxist dialectics very quickly adopted the sexual liberation of children as a means to break down the structure of capitalist society and the family unit.

Lindsay recently spoke about this: 1, 2 - but this is probably not the thread to discuss it further. I was pretty much horrified hearing this.

The second was one of the most beautiful women I've ever met inside and out. She had internalized homophobia and tried to go FtM. I was able to sit her down one day and really talk to her about it, and a lot of it was hating her sexuality and body because she felt women needed to be with men, and she was sexually abused as a child. She detransitioned and remained cis for 5 years up until her death this year. Miss the shit out of her daily. Watched her grow up for most of her life and we were two peas in a pod.

I'm sorry you lost a dear friend, I hope she found some peace after detransitioning.

 

[Distraught Knuckles]

This is relatively weaksauce compared to most of the other examples in this thread but my friend with benefits has come out as a heckin’ valid enby. She has changed literally nothing about herself other than her pronouns but she’s acting like she - as a conventionally attractive middle class heterosexual German woman - is some kind of oppressed minority now. She was always very social justice-y but it’s been taken to new heights, it's just constant. Every day she’s complaining about some new injustice that is LiTeRaLlY kIlLiNg non-binary folx, whether it’s the fact that she can’t get her gender on her passport changed or that the Association for the German Language says that the ‘gender star’ is a ridiculous imposition. (that’s another thing, we initially bonded over me trying to learn the language, but now when we text in German her messages are borderline unreadable with all the weird symbols to indicate gender neutrality)

The warning signs were there, I guess. A couple of months ago she asked me if I would be open to dating a trans man. I didn’t think much of it at the time but I hope it doesn’t mean she’s going to do a full troonout in the future. I think I successfully dodged it by saying that regardless of how I felt, if someone who believed themselves to be a man tried to sexually pursue a heterosexual male, they either don’t really believe in their own gender identity, or they don’t respect the sexuality of the man they’re persuing, and I wouldn’t want to be associated with a person like that.

In that sense I’m kind of irritated that she’s still expecting sexual attention from me. If you don’t believe you’re a woman anymore, and you want me to respect your identity, why would I still be attracted to you?

I’ve kept talking to her because I do genuinely like her as a person but she’s noticed that I ghost her every time she says something sexual and now she’s doing the “have I done something wrong? pls respond” routine. I know it’s kind of mean of me, but I feel that if I try and talk about this with her one of us is going to get mad and it’s going to end with a lot more unpleasantness, so it’s maybe easier to just let it fizzle out.

 

[okwhyamidoingthis]

regardless of how I felt, if someone who believed themselves to be a man tried to sexually pursue a heterosexual male, they either don’t really believe in their own gender identity, or they don’t respect the sexuality of the man they’re persuing, and I wouldn’t want to be associated with a person like that.

That was a tough one - therefore it was brave of you to say it. Don't need to answer if you don't feel confortable, but what was the reaction to these words?
FtMs seem more naive and more unreasonable, although are more open to talk. At least they listen without threating the one speaking, it seems. So it seems productive to ask really tough questions and demand positions on matters they show to never ever have dedicated serious thought before taking their decisions.

 

[NerdShamer]

In that sense I’m kind of irritated that she’s still expecting sexual attention from me. If you don’t believe you’re a woman anymore, and you want me to respect your identity, why would I still be attracted to you?

Kind of depends on what she's asking for. But if it's with her lady parts than chances are that she's doesn't really want to make an effort to transition, this year.

 

[Maurice Caine]

One of my exes started to literally try to become me immediately after I dumped him and it sunk in that I wasn't going to keep taking him back after repeatedly catching him with porn. Porn preceding troonery, how shocking. Textbook example of "become the goth GF", but to an even more insane extreme.

Spoiler: the deets

I've gotten a lot of unwanted sexual attention over my life, and he had been envious of it since we'd first met. When the troonening began and we were stuck living together for another few years because poor, he began secretly squeezing into my clothes and stealing my panties before he moved on to buying shitty Hot Topic and Spencer's emo fetish clothes. Basically he just suddenly became an AGP who didn't know how to dress like an actual goth woman and gravitated towards the image of a teenage slut vying for attention. He kept talking about how "we match"ed, wondering if people were going to "mistake us for sisters", and other creepy, retarded garbage. Cunt, I don't wear fucking fishnets, emo stripes or shitty satin faux corsets to go wander around in public in.

When his hair grew out long enough, he started copying my haircut and dying his hair to look like mine, but I eventually prodded him in the direction of going danger hair with that blue dye shit at the mall, just to get him to stop copying me in at least that way. Purple is my favorite non-black color, which he copied and said was also his favorite after it was well established that his real favorite was blue. He unsurprisingly switched to purple dye to go with his obnoxiously purple-accented black emo mall clothes, but at least he wasn't back to dying it to try to look like my hair color. He started trying to copy the annoying, high-pitched way I sneeze when I don't muffle it in time because he thinks it sounds like a cute uwu widdle anime guwl and pretend to be oh so embewassed. It's not cute, you weeb faggot, my breathing tubes are fucked up. He started trying to copy anything and everything about me to the point where when I got engaged, I would turn my ring over in his presence to keep him from seeing its design. I failed to remember to do this once, he saw it, and of course he told me that he had "been thinking about getting one just like this". Nothing was sacred and I was stuck living with the shittiest skinwalker.

I got married, got away from him, blocked his number, and continue to receive unopened emails from him to this very week.

Oh right, and he still has my cat hostage to try to force me to keep in contact with him after tricking me into thinking he'd give her back to me. I have not blocked his email in case he suddenly decides to do the right thing (or runs out of money or stops caring) and arrange for my cat to be flown out to me for real. It's been a long time and I'm running out of hope because of how old my poor sweet kitty is getting. She could be dead for all I know and he would probably never tell me because she's the closest thing to a bridge to me that he has.

He did far worse things that I'm not getting into here for obvious reasons. Fuck my life and fuck trannies.

Well maybe if you weren't gay this wouldn't happen to you.

 

[PotatoSalad4711]

A short backstory... My cousin is married with two teenagers. That side of my family has always been conservative and super-duper Christian. I mean the type who pray before every meal and go on missionary trips to convert the heathens (or whatever they hell they do).

So imagine my surprise when one day I logged on Facebook and saw a post from my cousin’s daughter saying that she is “non-binary”, prefers they/them pronouns, changed her name to “Rain”, and went full dangerhair. I almost spit out my coffee.

Judging by some of her posts, I think she’s just a run-of-the-mill lesbian, but that doesn’t get you enough attention these days apparently. I’m sure the family dinners in that household just got a lot more interesting.

 

[Sperghetti]

Some thoughts
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IMO the best way I can see understand this and the overall trans fixation on 'you're erasing my existence' is to look at it in terms of the theory that 'Lisa' is a mental structure produced via dissociation and compartmentalisation - a kind of mind-within-a-mind.

If this were true, then Richard Dawkins is literally threatening the existence of 'Lisa'. Any info which destabilises the beliefs and behaviours that hold the mind-within-a-mind (dissociative identity) together actually *DOES* threaten the 'existence' of 'Lisa'. It threatens the sleeping over-mind's ability to continue to believe that it is Lisa and nothing more than Lisa.

'Lisa' may have started existence as an autogynephilic sexual fantasy. This man may have gained comfort by deliberately acting out the part of Lisa via crossdressing etc. Over time, however, this habit was entrenched, so that he acted like 'Lisa' without realising it. This would likely have entrenched the dissociation and compartmentalisation.

Similarly, in schizophrenia, superficially nonsensical or enigmatic statements have actually been recognised to be oblique attempts to communicate things going on in the person's head. I would recommend R.D. Laing's book 'The Divided Self' if you want to learn more.

This is a very interesting idea!

It also reminds me of certain personality disorders where the person is prone to extreme black-and-white thinking. Even minor disagreements with them can end in screaming accusations of “You never loved me! You hate me and you wish I was dead!”, because they cannot grasp the concept of simultaneously loving someone and also being upset with them or something they're doing. In their mind, everyone is either perfect or so horrible that they're unworthy of existence; There is nothing in between.

 

[Protistology]

Some thoughts
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IMO the best way I can see understand this and the overall trans fixation on 'you're erasing my existence' is to look at it in terms of the theory that 'Lisa' is a mental structure produced via dissociation and compartmentalisation - a kind of mind-within-a-mind.

If this were true, then Richard Dawkins is literally threatening the existence of 'Lisa'. Any info which destabilises the beliefs and behaviours that hold the mind-within-a-mind (dissociative identity) together actually *DOES* threaten the 'existence' of 'Lisa'. It threatens the sleeping over-mind's ability to continue to believe that it is Lisa and nothing more than Lisa.

'Lisa' may have started existence as an autogynephilic sexual fantasy. This man may have gained comfort by deliberately acting out the part of Lisa via crossdressing etc. Over time, however, this habit was entrenched, so that he acted like 'Lisa' without realising it. This would likely have entrenched the dissociation and compartmentalisation.

Similarly, in schizophrenia, superficially nonsensical or enigmatic statements have actually been recognised to be oblique attempts to communicate things going on in the person's head. I would recommend R.D. Laing's book 'The Divided Self' if you want to learn more.

So Trannies are possessed by Tulpas created through self-hypnosis and cooming? It's a good theory.