Gross Luna Slater / funeral1996 / rotten2thecore1996 / howl1996 / junkhun - Heroin Addict, Discount Courtney Love, fucking grimy

[InspectorButters]

Tuna’s mom went to inpatient today.

 

[Lime Rogue]

It bothers me SO much that Luna speaks about her mother like she doesn't have the exact same issues as her.

 

[Polexia Aphrodisia]

Oh boy, Mentally Ill Junkie #1 went to treatment, leaving her house to the care of Mentally Ill Junkies #2 and #3. How are they going to pay for it?

 

[multiverse]

Tuna’s mom went to inpatient today. View attachment 1591607

Ok so your mom, who has been paying your rent for the last two years, went back to rehab, because the two of you triggered her back into using after years of sobriety.

And Luna is ecstatic because mom isn't sleeping on the couch and harshing her buzz by existing.

How long until Luna and Lurch drag her mom out of much needed rehab so she can pay their rent?

 

[Sketch]

Ok so your mom, who has been paying your rent for the last two years, went back to rehab, because the two of you triggered her back into using after years of sobriety.

And Luna is ecstatic because mom isn't sleeping on the couch and harshing her buzz by existing.

How long until Luna and Lurch drag her mom out of much needed rehab so she can pay their rent?

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll lose their place even if they don't pay rent.
I'm not sure how it works in NY but due to coronavirus, a lot of places aren't even able to kick people out due to inability to pay rent. At least where I live.

 

[multiverse]

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll lose their place even if they don't pay rent.
I'm not sure how it works in NY but due to coronavirus, a lot of places aren't even able to kick people out due to inability to pay rent. At least where I live.

They can't be evicted - but rent keeps piling up every month it isn't paid.

Mom can qualify for a new charity apartment, or a sober living house, even of she can't pay. Luna Toons and Chief are now squatting in an apartment they have no rights to. And they can, and very well might be, evicted.

Plus, if mama ain't paying rent, she ain't paying utilities or internet either. Reality might come crashing down when Luna can't play Animal Crossing. Or e beg.

And Mama Luna won't be able to share her script for benzos, which will send Luna into a harder withdrawal than anything.

 

[Say no 2 hugs]

What's up with all the people on the first few pages talking about heroin makes you want to eat and explains weight gain? I've never in my entire life seen a fat heroin addict. It makes you throw up, not interested in food (or anything) and tired. And it's one of the most pervasive drugs 10/10 would choose slightly more heroin over any type of food

Trust me, its a thing. Particularly the sugar lust.

It does also make you throw up though, a lot. And different chemicals react differently on different people, etc.

 

[heavycream]

Heroin withdrawal is uncomfortable but not fatal, However, when someone on as many benzos as Luna has to go off, it could kill them.

It's nearly impossible to taper down prescription benzos because the difference between each dosage is too big a jump. It's designed as such. She's on 2mg Xanax bars, seemingly multiple times a day. The next lowest is a 50% cut at 1mg. If she wants to live, she'll have to somehow get a hold of some of the 0.5 or 0.25 tablets. They're more pricy, even with a legitimate prescription. Then she'd have to start on 1mg + 0.5mg + 0.25mg and work down in 0.25s from there over a few months. It's the only way and its never going to happen.

Let's hope for her sake that she's also getting benzos from her dad or mom's rehab stint is brief,

 

[TurdFondler]

Is it common in the US to lose dole payments when you go to rehab? I'd assume the rent would get paid regardless. She's not breaking the lease, she's just going to rehab.

 

[Dorsia.Reservation]

Tuna’s mom went to inpatient today. View attachment 1591607

Pretty rich for luna to think she will just be able to stay in that apartment with her mom in rehab.
That is not how section 8 or charity housing works at all.
She is in for a rude awakening.

 

[InspectorButters]

Heroin withdrawal is uncomfortable but not fatal, However, when someone on as many benzos as Luna has to go off, it could kill them.

It's nearly impossible to taper down prescription benzos because the difference between each dosage is too big a jump. It's designed as such. She's on 2mg Xanax bars, seemingly multiple times a day. The next lowest is a 50% cut at 1mg. If she wants to live, she'll have to somehow get a hold of some of the 0.5 or 0.25 tablets. They're more pricy, even with a legitimate prescription. Then she'd have to start on 1mg + 0.5mg + 0.25mg and work down in 0.25s from there over a few months. It's the only way and its never going to happen.

Let's hope for her sake that she's also getting benzos from her dad or mom's rehab stint is brief,

I know for a fact that Luna takes upwards of 10-15mg of Xanax a day. There’s no way she’s going to be able to taper down like that. She’s in for a really rude awakening.

 

[Speakeasy Electric]

Heroin withdrawal is uncomfortable but not fatal, However, when someone on as many benzos as Luna has to go off, it could kill them.

It's nearly impossible to taper down prescription benzos because the difference between each dosage is too big a jump. It's designed as such. She's on 2mg Xanax bars, seemingly multiple times a day. The next lowest is a 50% cut at 1mg. If she wants to live, she'll have to somehow get a hold of some of the 0.5 or 0.25 tablets. They're more pricy, even with a legitimate prescription. Then she'd have to start on 1mg + 0.5mg + 0.25mg and work down in 0.25s from there over a few months. It's the only way and its never going to happen.

Let's hope for her sake that she's also getting benzos from her dad or mom's rehab stint is brief,

There is some mention in the psychiatric literature about weaning patients off of benzodiazepines, but these references talk about incredibly long tapering regimens that literally take months, for example, by reducing the benzodiazepine dose by 10% every 4 weeks. The reason that psychiatrists taper the benzodiazepines this slowly is so that the patient will feel no (or minimal) withdrawal symptoms. We can call this “tapered discontinuation.”
This is the ideal way to taper off, it is very effective and safe, with minimal psychological distress.

But, if someone were to go to jail or be running out of their illegitimate script, they might not have the luxuries of a psychiatrist that will give them a tapered dose of benzos. What happens in jails instead is “benzodiazepine detoxification.” The goal is not to eliminate any and all symptoms, but instead to withdraw the medication safely and quickly.

Step one: Substitute a long acting benzodiazepine for the Xanax.
The two benzodiazepines with the longest half-lives are Valium and Tranxene but clonazepam, Librium and Ativan work OK as well. Do not use Xanax itself for detoxification because it is too short acting and does not work well! It is much better to substitute a long acting benzodiazepine and taper that. The longer acting benzos have the benefit of self-tapering.

Step two: Using a benzodiazepine dosage equivalence chart, calculate the approximately equivalent Valium dose for the amount of Xanax they’ve been taking
Most of the charts I have seen use the 1mg Xanax = 10mg Valium and so that is the conversion
Step 3: Cut the daily dose in half every 7 days until gone.

This is the “prolonged self-taper mentioned in this quote from a psychiatric textbook:

The simplest approach to detoxification is a gradual reduction in dose that may be extended over several weeks or months; under no circumstances should benzodiazepines be stopped abruptly. When a more rapid detoxification is desired, inpatient dosage reduction can be completed within 2 weeks. . . . (The proper)approach is to switch to a high-potency, long-acting benzodiazepine (such as clonazepam). Most patients seem to tolerate detoxification on clonazepam quite well. Because of the prolonged self-taper after completion of detoxification with clonazepam, patients experience a smoother course of withdrawal with a minimum of rebound anxiety.
Stern: Massachusetts General Hospital Comprehensive Clinical Psychiatry, 1st ed.

Step 4: Consider alternative treatments for anxiety.
Most of these patients will benefit from a visit with a mental health counselor. And many also should be prescribed an alternative, non-addictive, medication for anxiety.

In my experience, benzo-detox patients who are treated with a (relatively) short taper of a long acting benzodiazepine do very well and are not the complicated medical “problem children” that alcohol withdrawal patients tend to be.

 

[windowframe]

Heroin withdrawal is uncomfortable but not fatal, However, when someone on as many benzos as Luna has to go off, it could kill them.

It's nearly impossible to taper down prescription benzos because the difference between each dosage is too big a jump. It's designed as such. She's on 2mg Xanax bars, seemingly multiple times a day. The next lowest is a 50% cut at 1mg. If she wants to live, she'll have to somehow get a hold of some of the 0.5 or 0.25 tablets. They're more pricy, even with a legitimate prescription. Then she'd have to start on 1mg + 0.5mg + 0.25mg and work down in 0.25s from there over a few months. It's the only way and its never going to happen.

Let's hope for her sake that she's also getting benzos from her dad or mom's rehab stint is brief,

She doesn't need to acquire a different prescription, 2mg bars can be cut into .25mg increments easily. Not that she would actually quit, of course.

 

[cuddle striker]

There is some mention in the psychiatric literature about weaning patients off of benzodiazepines, but these references talk about incredibly long tapering regimens that literally take months, for example, by reducing the benzodiazepine dose by 10% every 4 weeks. The reason that psychiatrists taper the benzodiazepines this slowly is so that the patient will feel no (or minimal) withdrawal symptoms. We can call this “tapered discontinuation.”
This is the ideal way to taper off, it is very effective and safe, with minimal psychological distress.

But, if someone were to go to jail or be running out of their illegitimate script, they might not have the luxuries of a psychiatrist that will give them a tapered dose of benzos. What happens in jails instead is “benzodiazepine detoxification.” The goal is not to eliminate any and all symptoms, but instead to withdraw the medication safely and quickly.

Step one: Substitute a long acting benzodiazepine for the Xanax.
The two benzodiazepines with the longest half-lives are Valium and Tranxene but clonazepam, Librium and Ativan work OK as well. Do not use Xanax itself for detoxification because it is too short acting and does not work well! It is much better to substitute a long acting benzodiazepine and taper that. The longer acting benzos have the benefit of self-tapering.

Step two: Using a benzodiazepine dosage equivalence chart, calculate the approximately equivalent Valium dose for the amount of Xanax they’ve been taking
Most of the charts I have seen use the 1mg Xanax = 10mg Valium and so that is the conversion
Step 3: Cut the daily dose in half every 7 days until gone.

This is the “prolonged self-taper mentioned in this quote from a psychiatric textbook:


Step 4: Consider alternative treatments for anxiety.
Most of these patients will benefit from a visit with a mental health counselor. And many also should be prescribed an alternative, non-addictive, medication for anxiety.

In my experience, benzo-detox patients who are treated with a (relatively) short taper of a long acting benzodiazepine do very well and are not the complicated medical “problem children” that alcohol withdrawal patients tend to be.

Of course the issue here is that she's not treating anxiety, she's just getting high. She's upping that dose if she gets a chance.
Anxiety patients don't have a lot of good options- buspar and a few of the SSRIs can work, but benzos are the standard for a reason. They work, and they work well. The long-acting ones are less likely to be abused, there are elderly ladies who have been on the same daily dose of Valium for fifty years by now. They never need more, but they can't do without it. There's no need to take someone like that off their medicine.

Luna though- she's not taking these because she's a nervous wreck, or to control panic or anxiety. It's just another drug that she likes. She's just getting high, and if she can't get enough for that she's just staving off withdrawal.

No jail is going to give her 100mg of Valium.

I don't see any rude awakening on the horizon, though. They are protected by the clown magic and will be squatting there for months, then move on to the next squatted place, or Mom will pay the rent some way, or Dad will die and leave her money, or they'll find a free apartment in a dumpster, or some shit.

 

[heavycream]

She doesn't need to acquire a different prescription, 2mg bars can be cut into .25mg increments easily. Not that she would actually quit, of course.

There are 4 divisions in the xanax 2mg, meaning each segment is .5, not .25. It ain't going to happen that way chief.
But yeah, she won't quit unless something results in her actually running out.
I wonder, do you reckon Luna is more willing to save her cash for illegitimate benzos or more smack?

 

[windowframe]

There are 4 divisions in the xanax 2mg, meaning each segment is .5, not .25. It ain't going to happen that way chief.
But yeah, she won't quit unless something results in her actually running out.
I wonder, do you reckon Luna is more willing to save her cash for illegitimate benzos or more smack?

I just meant the quarter segments can be halved themselves if done carefully. I'm not saying she would, just that it's possible.

Luna has mentioned she goes to the methadone clinic. I'm sure she doesn't when she's using dope, but it's a backup for her if she gets dopesick. Imo, with the amount of benzos she's on and the severity of withdrawal, she'd probably opt to spend her cash on Xanax if she lost her parents' prescriptions. Like it was stated earlier, dope withdrawal sucks but won't kill you; benzos can.

It just occurred to me that picture she posted in heroin bunnies or whatever could have feasibly been from Luna, her Mom and Lurch pooling their money to buy a bunch of bundles of heroin together (assuming Lurch isn't hustling again). What a horrifying family.

 

[Lady Beaver]

Hopefully her mom will get clean and kick them out!

 

[SssneakySssnek]

Trust me, its a thing. Particularly the sugar lust.

It does also make you throw up though, a lot. And different chemicals react differently on different people, etc.

I used to live in the heroin capital with hundreds and hundreds of addicts on the street and I have never in my life seen a fat one. I've directly interacted with probably an additional 80 or so. None of them were fat. And I'm talking to range from "homeless with nothing living in the woods" to "homeless with free housing and free meals" to "functional addict working a fulltime job". None of the addicts on Intervention, any documentary, any Youtube shit, on the news, is ever fat. None of the ones in recovery are. None of the rockers that were addicts are. Heroin absolutely does not make you gain weight. In any circumstance. You're thinking of lean, which is kind of liquid heroin, and absolutely bloats you.

Now I'm sure there may be a couple fat heroin addicts, but 0 chance it was from, or encouraged at all, by the heroin...

Heroin withdrawal is uncomfortable but not fatal, However, when someone on as many benzos as Luna has to go off, it could kill them.

It's nearly impossible to taper down prescription benzos because the difference between each dosage is too big a jump. It's designed as such. She's on 2mg Xanax bars, seemingly multiple times a day. The next lowest is a 50% cut at 1mg. If she wants to live, she'll have to somehow get a hold of some of the 0.5 or 0.25 tablets. They're more pricy, even with a legitimate prescription. Then she'd have to start on 1mg + 0.5mg + 0.25mg and work down in 0.25s from there over a few months. It's the only way and its never going to happen.

Let's hope for her sake that she's also getting benzos from her dad or mom's rehab stint is brief,

Wot? That's not true at all. For starters you could just....cut the pill. Also prescription Xanax is scored too so it's even easier, but even if it wasn't if you want to take between 1 and 2, and 1 is half...cut it. But she's abusing it so she does 10 or whatever, it's obviously pretty easy to do 9. Then 8. Then 7.

And going from 2mg to 1mg absolutely will not kill you lol and like you said yourself "it's designed like that". Literally no prescription drug is designed so that it's impossible to taper. People taper from xanax all day everyday and a 1mg jump is nothing, that's the absolute 100% doctor recommended thing to do is taper down then off of Xanax

Lot of weird drug guesses in this topic

 

[cuddle striker]

I used to live in the heroin capital with hundreds and hundreds of addicts on the street and I have never in my life seen a fat one. I've directly interacted with probably an additional 80 or so. None of them were fat. And I'm talking to range from "homeless with nothing living in the woods" to "homeless with free housing and free meals" to "functional addict working a fulltime job". None of the addicts on Intervention, any documentary, any Youtube shit, on the news, is ever fat. None of the ones in recovery are. None of the rockers that were addicts are. Heroin absolutely does not make you gain weight. In any circumstance. You're thinking of lean, which is kind of liquid heroin, and absolutely bloats you.

Now I'm sure there may be a couple fat heroin addicts, but 0 chance it was from, or encouraged at all, by the heroin...

The fat ones usually started out fat, started on drugs for chronic pain and became physically inactive. Then the prescription gets cut off and they turn to heroin to fill the gap.

Luna was a big girl before she started. Benzos can make people hungry too.

 

[AnOminous]

The fat ones usually started out fat, started on drugs for chronic pain and became physically inactive. Then the prescription gets cut off and they turn to heroin to fill the gap.

Luna was a big girl before she started. Benzos can make people hungry too.

Charlie Parker actually kept getting fatter as a junkie. He had huge appetites for drugs, food and sex, and didn't lose any of them, so he kept eating enormous amounts of food even on heroin. Belushi managed to pull the same stunt, even while mixing it with cocaine. There aren't many, though.