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Mainly to not shit up other threads; here is a thread to talk about your personal theories about why the west shifted so much between the heights of cold war era anti-communism and modern politics.
Imho an essential part in understanding current german politics is the understanding that it has always been the poorest (relative GDP/capita) of the western european nations (France, UK, Belgium, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Switzerland). Additionally it's position as a more central european nation also had an influence on the view western europe had of Germany, while the Germans saw themselves as a part of the west and really wanted to stand on an equal cultural and affluent footing with the rest. That's why they are so obsessed with being the "best of the class" in regards to neo-liberalism. Although this is a very Tooze-inspired view. I'm sure you could argue otherwise and bring counterarguments.
Post Cold War. Wessies were based. It was after the wall fell that they turned into gigantic pussies.
Once the country united all the politicians got together to piss on the US, and not Russia, for some reason.
You guys are lucky Poland is there. They are the only thing stopping Vlad from semi-consensually ravaging your assholes. Like, Putin could just decide not to deliver energy one day and you'd be on your knees.
Meanwhile the US is a lucrative export market that stores some tanks and has a couple hospitals there. No leverage but throwing money at it. Yet we're the bad guys. It's a strange dynamic.
It's a dynamic that resulted from getting forced into participating in two utterly pointless two decade long wars barely a decade after the iron curtain fell.
But none of this has anything to do with Kyle, so there's that.
Afghanistan, from the reason of going there down to how everything was handled until the troops got recalled this year, was a shitshow and you know it.
As for keeping the soviets out, if you think the US did this out of the selfless kindness of their heart, you know nothing of containment politics of the cold war era. If you don't understand that NATO was and still is one of the US' main tools of political influence and strategic power, if you think NATO is somehow the US just handing out free stuff to the rest of the world, you know nothing about realpolitik of the cold war era.
Yeah, cause Germany was fed up with that kind of shit after Afghanistan, especially given the flimsy excuse of going into Iraq in the first place. We still got roped into participating later on, but at least our worthless government for once listened to the people who told them no, so they didn't get in there day one.
The US tailor made the Bundeswehr to the need of being a speed bump to the Soviets (the very name suggests that the Bundeswehr is only meant to defend the BRD). Going abroad to fight an active war of aggression was never the scope of the Bundeswehr. That's why going to Afghanistan and Iraq was such a hot topic in Germany.
You can't really blame Germany for following the scope and purpose of their military doctrine when the US is what shaped it. You're just salty it backfired on you like it did in Japan![]()
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Has nothing to do with Kyle except that it could be Bingers kind of humor. Its disturbing shit and downright disgusting. Basically what I told you. We are at dehumanization. My tax money payed for that btw.
That's something I've been curious about. After the wall fell and the DDR reunited with the west, was there a flood of commie/socialist propaganda westward? It must have been bizarre suddenly having a population conditioned by quasi-Stalinist policies for half a century injected into the West German system.
Imho an essential part in understanding current german politics is the understanding that it has always been the poorest (relative GDP/capita) of the western european nations (France, UK, Belgium, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Switzerland). Additionally it's position as a more central european nation also had an influence on the view western europe had of Germany, while the Germans saw themselves as a part of the west and really wanted to stand on an equal cultural and affluent footing with the rest. That's why they are so obsessed with being the "best of the class" in regards to neo-liberalism. Although this is a very Tooze-inspired view. I'm sure you could argue otherwise and bring counterarguments.