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DykesDykesChina

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I have been reading the book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.

Jaynes developes a strange yet fascinating outsider theory of early human history. He proposes that consciousness as we know it is a historically recent invention - before 1000 BC humans were not conscious. Instead, they had what he calls a bicameral mind: The two halves of the brain operated independently, with the left part containing the personality, which was largely passive and robotic, and the right part containing a planning and decision-making entity, that sent commands to the left part via auditory hallucinations and was perceived as a personal god.

While Jaynes's theory is unusual and not followed by the mainstream of anthropologists, there is something compelling about it IMO.

What I have also been thinking about: Maybe OPL has some sort of bicameral mind?! Maybe he's stuck in a Jaynesian bronze age?

Check the evidence:

* He once said that Sonichu and Rosechu talk to him and give him dating advice every night. He is convinced that they exist in some way.

* He does the same shit (nagging about Megan/Trolls, using silly attraction methods etc.) over and over again, like he was commanded to do it by the inner voices of his hedgehogs.

* He learns at a glacial pace, the way someone who lacks the narrative inner space of consciousness might learn.

* He is largely unable to understand metaphors (several examples in the father call). According to Jaynes, metaphorical thinking is an important foundation of consciousness, bicameral humans could not do it.

* He can't tell fiction from reality. Being able to do this would be a function of modern consciousness.

* He seems to be "flying autopilot" most of the time, not thinking about anything and just doing mechanically what he's used to do.

* The auditory hallucinations of bicameral humans were probably triggered by stress - like in modern schizophrenics, but far more easily: When a situation arose that could not be handled by "autopilot", the person would hear the voice of a god telling him or her what to do. Remember how Chris conversed with Sonichu when MLW put him in an unexpected situation?


If this were true, we should take Chris to to anthropological conferences. Being able to examine a living bicameral man would be very valuable to scholars of early history (and would indirectly prove that Jaynes was right). :mrgreen:
 

soIregistered

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Or he's just a hideously self centered sociopath who believes that people exist to pamper him and that he is speshul and creative.
 

Alec Benson Leary

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I have a hard time believing that so radical an evolutionary change as a conscious mind can be parsed to such a precise time, and an even harder time believing that such a time occurred so recently that two thirds of recorded civilization had already taken place.
 

exball

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Bgheff said:
I think he's just a selfish asshole.

Chris was out shopping with his mother on 911 he's a true and honest hero and not selfish at all. 8-)
 

SlowInTheMinds

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Alec Benson Leary said:
I have a hard time believing that so radical an evolutionary change as a conscious mind can be parsed to such a precise time, and an even harder time believing that such a time occurred so recently that two thirds of recorded civilization had already taken place.
It would also mean that evolution would be moving backwards.

I doubt it.

Also, 1000 BC? Make that 10,000 BC at least. Probably 100,000 BC.
 

JULAY

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DykesDykesChina said:
I have been reading the book "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.

Jaynes developes a strange yet fascinating outsider theory of early human history. He proposes that consciousness as we know it is a historically recent invention - before 1000 BC humans were not conscious. Instead, they had what he calls a bicameral mind: The two halves of the brain operated independently, with the left part containing the personality, which was largely passive and robotic, and the right part containing a planning and decision-making entity, that sent commands to the left part via auditory hallucinations and was perceived as a personal god.

While Jaynes's theory is unusual and not followed by the mainstream of anthropologists, there is something compelling about it IMO.

What I have also been thinking about: Maybe OPL has some sort of bicameral mind?! Maybe he's stuck in a Jaynesian bronze age?

Check the evidence:

* He once said that Sonichu and Rosechu talk to him and give him dating advice every night. He is convinced that they exist in some way.

* He does the same shit (nagging about Megan/Trolls, using silly attraction methods etc.) over and over again, like he was commanded to do it by the inner voices of his hedgehogs.

* He learns at a glacial pace, the way someone who lacks the narrative inner space of consciousness might learn.

* He is largely unable to understand metaphors (several examples in the father call). According to Jaynes, metaphorical thinking is an important foundation of consciousness, bicameral humans could not do it.

* He can't tell fiction from reality. Being able to do this would be a function of modern consciousness.

* He seems to be "flying autopilot" most of the time, not thinking about anything and just doing mechanically what he's used to do.

* The auditory hallucinations of bicameral humans were probably triggered by stress - like in modern schizophrenics, but far more easily: When a situation arose that could not be handled by "autopilot", the person would hear the voice of a god telling him or her what to do. Remember how Chris conversed with Sonichu when MLW put him in an unexpected situation?


If this were true, we should take Chris to to anthropological conferences. Being able to examine a living bicameral man would be very valuable to scholars of early history (and would indirectly prove that Jaynes was right). :mrgreen:

Chris is just a particularly dumb, utterly uneducated Autistic. That's all.
 

Batman VS Tony Danza

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No, I think Chris's mind can think about maybe three or even four caramels at a time.

... yeah, I took the low road you all avoided. That how I do.
 

Mama Luigi

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While the theory is intriguing and actually makes sense, I'm going with door #2. Chris is a self-centered asshole that hasn't had enough human contact to learn things like metaphors. His machine-like way of doing things is just him trying to appease whatever is preventing him from playing vidya so he can play more vidya. And he's also bonkers, so I think that takes care of the rest. Although he doesn't seem bonkers enough for the whole MLW conference to go the way it did, what the hell was that, anyways?
 

Marvin

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Interesting theory, but I think Chris is just a dumbass. When Chris says he talks to Sonichu and stupid shit like that, I don't think he's having genuine hallucinations. I think he's just imagining that he's talking to him. Like imaginary friends.
 

Pinhead

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BatmanVSTonyDanza said:
No, I think Chris's mind can think about maybe three or even four caramels at a time.

... yeah, I took the low road you all avoided. That how I do.

We avoided it because it's simply not true. Everyone knows Chris stuffs beans, he stuffs corn, he stuffs carrots!
 

Kosher Dill

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Chris used to have a bicameral mind, but his consciousness was forced to abandon its room and move in with the subconscious. It's not allowed out to talk to God anymore either.
 

MrTroll

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While I find it plausible that evolution skipped over Chris entirely and as a result he's basically a modern caveman, I'm gonna have to go with the other responses to this theory: Chris is :stupid:.
 

Christ-Chan

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Autism is caused by different parts of the brain being unable to co-operate correctly so technically it fits I guess?

It's really less of a theory than a thought-experiment in my opinion. Besides, what is the very idea of a "self" but a personal god? In the end there's something sending out signals that the body carries out, it doesn't really make any difference what you choose to label the origin as.
 

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SlowInTheMinds said:
Alec Benson Leary said:
I have a hard time believing that so radical an evolutionary change as a conscious mind can be parsed to such a precise time, and an even harder time believing that such a time occurred so recently that two thirds of recorded civilization had already taken place.
It would also mean that evolution would be moving backwards.

I doubt it.


Evolution doens't go forward or backwards. It's not a progressive thing. If this really was a thing, then it wouldn't be impossible for some traces of those features to still be around.
 
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