Melanie Herring / Purplekecleon / PK / PapayaKitty / GlitchedPuppet / Ash Hazel Woods / Floraverse - Abusive, manipulative SJW artist whose ex-husband fucks dogs and teenagers and whose current husband thinks he's trans because of a TF fetish

So what's your deal, anyway?

  • I used to be a fan of PK's and was already a Kiwi

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  • I made an account just to post in this thread

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  • I was never a fan of PK's but this shit fascinates me

    Votes: 900 43.0%
  • This thread is a fucking circlejerk trainwreck and I wanna watch

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PirateLordRidley

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Eevee comes startlingly close to self-awareness in that thread about the fact that he was groomed and raped by older men.

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I might be a bit late on this but wanted to say something about this.

First of all, regardless of how self-aware or remorseful Eevee is or ever will be, they, by their own admission, do not have the healthy, informed knowledge of how sex works to ever be in a position to try and teach other people, especially minors. Further, this could easily be a tactic to get heat off themselves.

That said, the last two tweets especially are probably the most agreeable thing they've ever said on their twitter.
Sex ed is a joke. Parents often leave it up to their kids to figure themselves out, leaving them open to learning all the wrong things.

By the time most people take Sex Ed, they already understand not to knock up their classmates, and not to shove their dick in someone if they have a rash, at least those who have functioning brains. What they don't know, however, is what a healthy sexual relationship looks like. What was acceptable and what wasn't. And that's something Sex Ed doesn't teach you. You either learn from your parents if they have the sense to teach you, or you learn by experience, and the latter is far messier.

Many learn via porn, often without even looking for it. That's just the nature of growing up with an internet connection ever since the late 90s. Porn adware was and is a constant problem, even on kid's sites, and far too few parents are willing to sit little Timmy down to explain to him the nuance of sex and when it is or isn't ok. Worse, is if someone deprived and damaged comes along and tells them that something is okay when it isn't. This happens directly, like in the examples we've seen in this thread, or indirectly, like being left to fend for yourself in chatrooms and porn sites, trying to learn that's what sex should be like from other people who are just as clueless as you are, in the best-case scenario.

We do need a better sexual education system to prevent kids from turning into people like Eevee, because no one is teaching them any better and they never tried to learn for themselves, at least not until it was too late.
 
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Rosechuspickle

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I might be a bit late on this but wanted to say something about this.

First of all, regardless of how self-aware or remorseful Eevee is or ever will be, they, by their own admission, do not have the healthy, informed knowledge of how sex works to ever be in a position to try and teach other people, especially minors. Further, this could easily be a tactic to get heat off themselves.

That said, the last two tweets especially are probably the most agreeable thing they've ever said on their twitter.
Sex ed is a joke. Parents often leave it up to their kids to figure themselves out, leaving them open to learning all the wrong things.

By the time most people take Sex Ed, they already understand not to knock up their classmates, and not to shove their dick in someone if they have a rash, at least those who have functioning brains. What they don't know, however, is what a healthy sexual relationship looks like. What was acceptable and what wasn't. And that's something Sex Ed doesn't teach you. You either learn from your parents if they have the sense to teach you, or you learn by experience, and the latter is far messier.

Many learn via porn, often without even looking for it. That's just the nature of growing up with an internet connection ever since the late 90s. Porn adware was and is a constant problem, even on kid's sites, and far too few parents are willing to sit little Timmy down to explain to him the nuance of sex and when it is or isn't ok. Worse, is if someone deprived and damaged comes along and tells them that something is okay when it isn't. This happens directly, like in the examples we've seen in this thread, or indirectly, like being left to fend for yourself in chatrooms and porn sites, trying to learn that's what sex should be like from other people who are just as clueless as you are, in the best-case scenario.

We do need a better sexual education system to prevent kids from turning into people like Eevee, because no one is teaching them any better and they never tried to learn for themselves, at least not until it was too late.
I disagree, it's not a school system failure that spawns people like Eevee. I've known recluses who have perfectly normal views on sex and affection. People like Eevee are simply born this way, and it comes from a need of control and selfishness. If you read Eevee's forums posts as a minor, he sounds incredibly predatory and completely disregards what people feel even innocent animals. This is not because of a lack of 'sex ed' or 'porn teaching them how to sex', that's the excuse serial killer rapist Ted Bundy used and it's been proven time and time again that it's false. It's just having basic human empathy and self awareness.

Also to avoid further autism, I think the first post of this thread should have a 'Before You Post' thing to inform the PK ex-fans not to make fools out of themselves. It can prove as a good fail safe.
 

ooglywoogly

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I disagree, it's not a school system failure that spawns people like Eevee. I've known recluses who have perfectly normal views on sex and affection. People like Eevee are simply born this way, and it comes from a need of control and selfishness. If you read Eevee's forums posts as a minor, he sounds incredibly predatory and completely disregards what people feel even innocent animals. This is not because of a lack of 'sex ed' or 'porn teaching them how to sex', that's the excuse serial killer rapist Ted Bundy used and it's been proven time and time again that it's false. It's just having basic human empathy and self awareness.

Also to avoid further autism, I think the first post of this thread should have a 'Before You Post' thing to inform the PK ex-fans not to make fools out of themselves. It can prove as a good fail safe.
i agree and disagree at the same time. they aren't born, they're made, and they're made because of people like eevee. you can't deny that proper sex ed would most likely result in less sex offenders, the same way teaching people how to properly put out campfires results in less forest fires. some people don't fully understand the consequences of their actions because some people can't think outside themselves, and need to be taught how to. but some people just want to watch the world burn. even after being taught, they ignore or refuse it because they fundamentally are selfish or destructive people.

i have some empathy for eevee's situation but not much. i was someone who went to a private catholic school that had NO sex education of any kind whatsoever, and everything i learned came from the internet, with negative consequences. through the MLP fandom, i was introduced to the degeneracy of bronies when i was 13 years old; as a 14-15 year old, i found and befriended artists who turned out to be creeps (major one was Nemu) and unfortunately influenced my life and sexuality. things like pedophilia, beastiality, rape, necrophilia, etc were normalized to me because they were treated as normal by adults around me and i literally didn't know any better. now, as an adult at 22, i have a better understanding of healthy sexuality and i DO NOT engage with ANY of those sort of horrible porn or fantasies. therapy, healthy partners, and years of self-reflection saved me from becoming a terrible person. eevee was groomed as a minor in similar ways to me, but they took a different route-- leaning in to their nasty kinks, rather than backing out. now, they (seemingly unaware, almost aware?) have become the exact kind of person who hurt them as a minor: someone who openly flaunts and revels in their degeneracy, not caring at all about children or teens being exposed to their content. they're continuing the cycle of abuse, simply because they care more about themselves than other people.
 

Rosechuspickle

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i agree and disagree at the same time. they aren't born, they're made, and they're made because of people like eevee. you can't deny that proper sex ed would most likely result in less sex offenders, the same way teaching people how to properly put out campfires results in less forest fires. some people don't fully understand the consequences of their actions because some people can't think outside themselves, and need to be taught how to. but some people just want to watch the world burn. even after being taught, they ignore or refuse it because they fundamentally are selfish or destructive people.

i have some empathy for eevee's situation but not much. i was someone who went to a private catholic school that had NO sex education of any kind whatsoever, and everything i learned came from the internet, with negative consequences. through the MLP fandom, i was introduced to the degeneracy of bronies when i was 13 years old; as a 14-15 year old, i found and befriended artists who turned out to be creeps (major one was Nemu) and unfortunately influenced my life and sexuality. things like pedophilia, beastiality, rape, necrophilia, etc were normalized to me because they were treated as normal by adults around me and i literally didn't know any better. now, as an adult at 22, i have a better understanding of healthy sexuality and i DO NOT engage with ANY of those sort of horrible porn or fantasies. therapy, healthy partners, and years of self-reflection saved me from becoming a terrible person. eevee was groomed as a minor in similar ways to me, but they took a different route-- leaning in to their nasty kinks, rather than backing out. now, they (seemingly unaware, almost aware?) have become the exact kind of person who hurt them as a minor: someone who openly flaunts and revels in their degeneracy, not caring at all about children or teens being exposed to their content. they're continuing the cycle of abuse, simply because they care more about themselves than other people.
Sex offenders emerge not because they are not 'taught' properly, a lot of them come from healthy and stable families. It has to do with a lack of awareness and empathy that CAN'T be taught, it's wired in. In your powerlevel story it just sounded that you wanted to fit in and 'be cool' which is what almost every minor goes through. You eventually snapped out because you're a sane individual.

Eevee however STILL acts like how he acted back in that forum. He knew that incest, zoophilia was wrong he even stated as such but he RELISHED in it because it's what he likes.
 

PatrickzGoneWild

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i agree and disagree at the same time. they aren't born, they're made, and they're made because of people like eevee. you can't deny that proper sex ed would most likely result in less sex offenders, the same way teaching people how to properly put out campfires results in less forest fires. some people don't fully understand the consequences of their actions because some people can't think outside themselves, and need to be taught how to. but some people just want to watch the world burn. even after being taught, they ignore or refuse it because they fundamentally are selfish or destructive people.

i have some empathy for eevee's situation but not much. i was someone who went to a private catholic school that had NO sex education of any kind whatsoever, and everything i learned came from the internet, with negative consequences. through the MLP fandom, i was introduced to the degeneracy of bronies when i was 13 years old; as a 14-15 year old, i found and befriended artists who turned out to be creeps (major one was Nemu) and unfortunately influenced my life and sexuality. things like pedophilia, beastiality, rape, necrophilia, etc were normalized to me because they were treated as normal by adults around me and i literally didn't know any better. now, as an adult at 22, i have a better understanding of healthy sexuality and i DO NOT engage with ANY of those sort of horrible porn or fantasies. therapy, healthy partners, and years of self-reflection saved me from becoming a terrible person. eevee was groomed as a minor in similar ways to me, but they took a different route-- leaning in to their nasty kinks, rather than backing out. now, they (seemingly unaware, almost aware?) have become the exact kind of person who hurt them as a minor: someone who openly flaunts and revels in their degeneracy, not caring at all about children or teens being exposed to their content. they're continuing the cycle of abuse, simply because they care more about themselves than other people.
Lighting a fire is a skill that one must absorb and learn on an intellectual level in order to do so safely without accidents or unintended consequences.

Showing empathy or basic compassion for friends, lovers, sex partners, strangers, etc is not. Concern for the wellbeing of others is something we are born with, and the thing that Eevee and friends lack so sorely. -Which seems to be what Rosechu is trying to get at here. To which I agree. You cannot simply TEACH people to give a shit about others. You can't lecture a sociopath into playing nicely. If the solution was really that simple, Kiwi Farms would be go of business due to a severe lolcow shortage.

The levels of autism in this thread never cease to blow my friggin' mind, but perhaps that's why I keep coming back here, lmao. Nobody needs a Chris-Chan Dating Ed. class to understand how to be decent humans. Such a thing would not change a damn thing about Eevee or PK's vile behavior. It's a wonderful thought that seems to come from a well meaning place, but that's just not how the human animal is wired to function. You don't learn empathy or compassion, you just either have it or you don't.

I TOTALLY believe that both PK AND Eevee were sexually groomed to some extent. But..... Why on earth does that matter at all to so many of you guys? Being a victim doesn't remove your personal autonomy or ability to be your own good person. PK and Eevee made the choice to continue their cycles of abuse, so they don't deserve your empathy, as well meaning as it may be.
 

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Being a victim doesn't remove your personal autonomy or ability to be your own good person.
This idea is lost in people on this thread, especially if they hope for Glip to change so she can go back to her cancelled comics.


The levels of autism in this thread never cease to blow my friggin' mind, but perhaps that's why I keep coming back here, lmao.
This is not only a catalogue of Glip's misdeeds, its a display of her orbiter's stupidity like Ommy's self-outing earlier, that was pathetic and we wouldn't have seen it if he didn't lurk here. I'm here for the whole gang of furry weirdos, including other Kiwis.
 

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The levels of autism in this thread never cease to blow my friggin' mind, but perhaps that's why I keep coming back here, lmao. Nobody needs a Chris-Chan Dating Ed. class to understand how to be decent humans. Such a thing would not change a damn thing about Eevee or PK's vile behavior. It's a wonderful thought that seems to come from a well meaning place, but that's just not how the human animal is wired to function. You don't learn empathy or compassion, you just either have it or you don't.
I'm sorry, I've been playing Animal Crossing, it's kind of taken over my life right now.

Please refrain from further powerleveling and discussion of whether Eevee was born with it or maybe it's Maybelline. I'm going to say personally that the way people turn out is always a mix of nature and nurture, and leave it at that.
 

PirateLordRidley

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I TOTALLY believe that both PK AND Eevee were sexually groomed to some extent. But..... Why on earth does that matter at all to so many of you guys? Being a victim doesn't remove your personal autonomy or ability to be your own good person. PK and Eevee made the choice to continue their cycles of abuse, so they don't deserve your empathy, as well meaning as it may be.
No, it absolutely doesn't, which is why I didn't say anything about Eevee not deserving the lashing they got, and continue to get, for their actions. I simply wished to comment on two very specific statements they made and expand on them in a greater context.
But I can see I wasn't clear about one thing: Eevee, Glip, and the rest of these people are damaged goods and should be treated as such. Even if they are somehow capable of understanding what's wrong with them, they've done too little, too slowly to make any kind of good faith effort to improve themselves that elevates them out of being seen as the child luring scumbags they are.
 

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Also, I was sad to see geckozen in one of those discord screenshots. No wonder his style has started to resemble glip's.
geckozen has been 'round these guys awhile unfortunately. like their characters appear way often, even in some of the edgy vns on flora. also they provided their voice for some of those, too.

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spent a few trying to find the frame from one of the vns thats like "twin victims glip and zen" or something but cannot find it

Showing empathy or basic compassion for friends, lovers, sex partners, strangers, etc is not. Concern for the wellbeing of others is something we are born with, and the thing that Eevee and friends lack so sorely. -Which seems to be what Rosechu is trying to get at here. To which I agree. You cannot simply TEACH people to give a shit about others. You can't lecture a sociopath into playing nicely. If the solution was really that simple, Kiwi Farms would be go of business due to a severe lolcow shortage.
not to be a psychologist, but actually empathy - or, rather, expressing empathy/sympathy - can be learned. yes you cant teach the actual feeling of empathy, but you can absolutely develop active listening, sympathizing, etc as a skill. some people dont realize how deficient they are in expressing empathy (perhaps they incorrectly believe that relating it to themselves is helpful, when in reality theyre taking the focus off the person theyre trying to empathize with - people on the autism spectrum, or ppl with ADHD or schizophrenia or etc. have trouble contextualizing these things, and when they learn that their attempt was harmful, they usually adjust and try to better themselves and develop that skill more).

i think it's safe to say vee has some empathy with how close she gets with her apologies... she at least is starting to recognize and acknowledge the victims. but glip is so far on the narcissistic scale that they definitely do not have empathy. even if they feel empathy, they cant really be saved, because they believe in their ego so hard that it borders delusion. thats just how it goes with npd, unfortunately.

glip is clearly the one in control which i think is why vee's growth like, almost gets there, she's almost self aware, but then glip's presence silences her like a chilling effect. she backtracks when not on her own. and we've seen in the recent and extended past that vee is codependent on glip's approval, so her behavior is likely to not change anytime soon.

so, tl;dr - yes, empathy can't be taught, but sympathy can; and expressing empathy is a skill, as is listening to what others have to say instead of constantly relating it to yourself (like a narc would). i dont think vee is a sociopath, but she's definitely a narcissist, perhaps one that's toeing the line between narcissistic traits and an actual personality disorder. glip, on the other hand, is a fullblown narcissist with sociopathic traits (and no empathy).

as an aside, ive been mulling over glip possibly being a communal narcissist specifically, which is slightly rare. a communal narcissist is odd in that they want credit for helping others, they want praise for seeming like they help others, even though they don't actually give a shit about helping others. it's a front to make them look Good and Not A Sociopath. and i feel like that's the entire flora discord. especially when they try to push that scenes are Healthy, Actually, when they absolutely are not.

Is there much info on what Kupok has been up to? Sorry if this seems off topic but it seems this thread includes Eevee and Marl as topics of discussion.
besides autistically commenting on vee's tweets, not that im aware of
 

false prophet medea

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Is there much info on what Kupok has been up to? Sorry if this seems off topic but it seems this thread includes Eevee and Marl as topics of discussion.
kupok was a volunteer on the denfur staff and was recently removed due to his posts in the past about having sex with eevee and presumably another minor
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he’s also been banned from a handful of local Colorado meetup chats for the same reason
i don’t have solid proof other than the forwarded message, and the fact I was in a couple of the chats he tried to join and saw him quickly banned from. Also, at cofurrybowling earlier this month a handful of people were talking about it — word has spread pretty fast among the Colorado locals
 

RisingPheonix

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I disagree, it's not a school system failure that spawns people like Eevee. I've known recluses who have perfectly normal views on sex and affection. People like Eevee are simply born this way, and it comes from a need of control and selfishness. If you read Eevee's forums posts as a minor, he sounds incredibly predatory and completely disregards what people feel even innocent animals. This is not because of a lack of 'sex ed' or 'porn teaching them how to sex', that's the excuse serial killer rapist Ted Bundy used and it's been proven time and time again that it's false. It's just having basic human empathy and self awareness.
I dunno about other people, but when I was 11 I wanted to know everything about the upcoming "changes" me and my peers would be going through and that often tied into sex ed in general. I'd read several books on the whole thing before we had our first sex ed class. Do people just forget that books and individual research can be a thing? If your school system sucks, it's pretty easy to get info on the birds and the bees without resorting to playboy or pornhub.

I was also one of the early kids online, but my parents were always somewhere in the background checking on what I was doing when I was a teen. Eevee had a situation where his parents seemed to basically ignore what he was getting up to until the con where he hooked up with Kupok. But regardless I'm not sure if just "better sex ed" would of changed the outcome for Glip or Eevee - they prob knew all the ins and outs of the business better than most kids their age at the time.

Glips issues pretty much have more to do with the household she grew up in. She's pretty much just like her mother, learned from her how to manipulate people to survive and makes excuses for the few people she has some sort of genuine connection with because her home childhood situation has totally screwed up her idea of "acceptable" behaviour from others.
 

Pukebucket

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I dunno about other people, but when I was 11 I wanted to know everything about the upcoming "changes" me and my peers would be going through and that often tied into sex ed in general. I'd read several books on the whole thing before we had our first sex ed class. Do people just forget that books and individual research can be a thing? If your school system sucks, it's pretty easy to get info on the birds and the bees without resorting to playboy or pornhub.

I was also one of the early kids online, but my parents were always somewhere in the background checking on what I was doing when I was a teen. Eevee had a situation where his parents seemed to basically ignore what he was getting up to until the con where he hooked up with Kupok. But regardless I'm not sure if just "better sex ed" would of changed the outcome for Glip or Eevee - they prob knew all the ins and outs of the business better than most kids their age at the time.

Glips issues pretty much have more to do with the household she grew up in. She's pretty much just like her mother, learned from her how to manipulate people to survive and makes excuses for the few people she has some sort of genuine connection with because her home childhood situation has totally screwed up her idea of "acceptable" behaviour from others.
Alternative Title: Coronavirus And No Play Makes Pukebucket A Dull Boy

In an article posted by Eevee a few years back, they claimed to've been 28 back in 2015. Knowing that Eevee is only a few years off from myself in age, I decided that it was high time to post some context for people who weren't on the internet around the time that Eevee and Glip were during their early teens. This relates a lot to the general atmosphere that teenagers who grew up on the internet were exposed to (outside of sites specifically catering to kids, like Club Penguin and Neopets) and how that shit has led to a generation of thirty-somethings with very strange views on sexual education. This obviously isn't the case with every millennial who grew up on the internet, of course, but if you ever wondered why people in their 20s/30s like Chris Bryant or Shmorky or Chris Whiteman or others have a very skewed understanding of how pedophiles are supposed to be different from "MAP"s or how having an ageplay kink isn't the same as "real pedophillia" then this might be worth noting.

Setting the stage; starting back in the 90s and (less so) in the early 2000s, accessing porn was not typically something that could just be done on sites like Pornhub or Youporn or Porntube (hm notice a trend in names) because Youtube wasn't even a thing until 2005, and a lot of these sites aped off it's basic idea after the fact. Instead, most sites ran by a credit card structure which was typically designed to a) scam horny idiots by getting them to drop their credit card/phone and b) keep minors from viewing uncensored content because most kids didn't have easy credit cards or personal cellphones back then; this was in part to help prevent liability for site owners. A free, open video platform for porn that didn't involve downloading that shit directly onto your computer wasn't an easy thing to find or use on a shared desktop.

Teens in puberty are horny and this would result in them trying to get porn to fuel their newfound interests, but these kids would either have to steal their mom's credit card, or only find a few grainy clips of lemonparty or meatspin, or they'd have to figure out how to torrent porn off Limewire in a time before handy online tutorial sites existed (most of the tech help back then was just "delete system32") and hope that they didn't get a virus that would spam ads for pigboytrannies.net (also bad if you had a shared desktop). Because of the difficulty in acquiring explicit content and a lot of kids being left unsupervised on the internet with a simple "don't tell anyone your real name or address" warning from their parents, a booming culture of RPing on MSN, Yahoo, Livejournal and even DeviantArt exploded where minors and adults (sometimes posing as minors but oftentimes not even bothering to lie about their age) would chat and discuss sex rather openly; it was a great way to avoid suspicion from family members as well, as most people had their computers in a living room or other public space, so having a text-only format was far less likely to draw attention than video or picture-based content, especially if you could set the font and window size to small.

It was not at all legal of course but a lot of predators were able to convince the minors they were talking to that it was fine since they were both "getting something out of it", and as such it was treated with a "mind your own business" sort of mentality by the majority on said sites, and attempting to call someone out publicly for talking to minors would actually draw more ridicule towards the call-out poster than revulsion towards the adult in question more often than not (especially if the minor in question was condoning the activity because they believed it was a mutually beneficial arrangement). Needless to say, this created an incredibly predatory atmosphere where adults were able to communicate and groom minors on the regular about sex and as long as they weren't threatening to kidnap them and keep them in their basement most people just shrugged their shoulders and went "oh well it's probably fine". The concept of sexual grooming wasn't well-defined by most people at the time either and the notion that this behavior was inherently abusive (or at least manipulative and predatory) was typically decried as fearmongering or feminazi rhetoric.

For a lot of teens (such as Eevee, if Kupok's posts are any indication) this was the closest thing to genuine sexual discussion, expression, and experimentation that wasn't reliant on having the talk with your parents (always a bonerkiller) or high-school sex ed-- which was taught to be entirely about the functions of reproduction, so if you were gay or just wanted to know what it felt like you were shit out of luck back then-- and thus utterly worthless to most kids trying to figure out why they felt certain things who weren't yet ready to go out and try having sex with strangers. Many minors viewed it as a "safe" (not really) way of exploring personal sexuality without actually experiencing it. Online sites for practicing safe sex were virtually unheard of and likely were more of the same "penis and vagina equals baby unless you have pre-marital or gay sex, in which case you get an STD and die" kind of information.

(Speaking personally on this, I remember feeling lucky that my school even bothered to teach us how to put on condoms and, if certain friends in my same age group who grew up in different states are to be believed, I was right in feeling that way. That's how abysmal sex-ed in the early 2000s was. They didn't even address ages of consent or the age brackets of consent until we were almost eighteen, by which point several of my peers had already violated that by having sex with older or younger kids outside of the legal age ranges unknowingly (14 and 17-year-olds, for example), because they believed that the AOC only mattered when you hit 18 and didn't see anything wrong with it. It was an absolute shitshow and barely improved from the abstinence-only system in other states, in that there were somewhat less teen pregnancies but just as many marriages straight out of high school, leading to a bunch of ill-equipped 19-year-old parents and bitter divorcees by 23.)

Essentially what Eevee and Glip are expecting is that they can run their server like a late-90s RP on MSN and allow just anyone to join and talk about whatever makes them horny while foisting all the blame for the predatory chat structure they're trying to relive on the kids who feel comfortable enough to join their group without impunity. The fact Eevee and Glip still think of this shit as "educational" is very telling, since it was a mentality that was regurgitated a lot back in the day by many of the adults who were predating on minors in the early 2000s. This is also where the concept of "non-contact MAPs" started; although they didn't have a cozy acronym to utilize back then, a lot of pedophiles would progress from "I don't normally talk to kids about this stuff, I'm glad you're cool with it though" to "I only RP online, I don't actually have sex with kids IRL", until they felt the child they were talking with had grown attached enough for them to change tactics to "I don't normally have sex with kids IRL as you know, but I think I'm in love with you". Which is how we get people like Kaiber and Glip who wound up marrying obviously shady individuals like Jasonafex and Marl the second they hit legal age, while claiming that they "never had sex with them prior you guise"; because they aren't counting all the times they RP'd or talked about it as actually having real sexual activity. While it can be argued that Jason and Marl had continued to stay with their partners even after they aged out of their preferred range, they stayed with them because they had influenced their thinking and essentially created perfectly docile, co-operative lackeys that they could manipulate to create free jerk fuel for them (just like they did back when they were a minor), while continuing to shout the party line of "It's only art/writing/pretend".

We can talk shit about Tumblr all day but the fact is that if it wasn't for most of Tumblr's incredibly aggressive response to adults even breathing in the same proximity as a thirteen-year-old on the internet I doubt we would have anywhere near the same level of hyperfocus that we do now on this issue and how dangerous it can be, and how it's led to an entire generation of young adults who grew up in the same circumstances (being creeped on by adults on the internet, to the point of even marrying some of them like Glip did) and trying to do the same to kids now because they're "just teaching them about The Sex". Only this is even more obviously manipulative now, because sex education has come a long way and now there are plenty of safe (and not-so-safe) resources for minors. Most kids know more about sexuality and abusive structures than adults who grew up in 1995 and while that is absolutely worrying in other respects, it at least makes me somewhat hopeful that there aren't nearly as many relying on people like Glip or Eevee for their information.

Tl;dr, Glip and Eevee grew up to be the exact kinds of predators who latched upon them, but the social culture has changed and they haven't kept up with it enough to realize it.
 

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kupok was a volunteer on the denfur staff and was recently removed due to his posts in the past about having sex with eevee and presumably another minor
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he’s also been banned from a handful of local Colorado meetup chats for the same reason
i don’t have solid proof other than the forwarded message, and the fact I was in a couple of the chats he tried to join and saw him quickly banned from. Also, at cofurrybowling earlier this month a handful of people were talking about it — word has spread pretty fast among the Colorado locals
>Kupok is in Colorado
>Glip and Eevee moved to Colorado


... Wait a second.
 

ginny

glip smells pass it on
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flora update that seems innocuous but is actually concerning especially given our current topic.


here is what i consider concerning.

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if it was just a species i would be concerned but not like, too concerned. but it appears that glip intends to use a character named lemrys - the first cleardeer on the sheet - as a main character, or at least as a focal point:
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lemrys:

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the part that gets me:
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"does this bother you?" pointing at their ass

so we've gone from "flora doesnt have any sexual aspects and doesnt rely on sex!" to a potential main character appearing that literally sustains themselves off sex. even if its just ""emotional,"" however that fucking works, would that mean they get off on exploiting others emotionally??? that's pretty fucked up bro

also:
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lol
 

sad cowboy cat

I got spurrs that jingle jangle jingle
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a safe space for kids, yknow.

fun thing about "kid friendly eastar server". the kid friendly part determination is completely up to glip and their moderators to decide and can change according to glitchedpuppet's whims whether or not they're even internally consistent. I have with me an example.

I had brought up how mismatch and the horse comic had non-consensual elements without being graphic (I think i said something like, this comic is rape), record of this conversation is preserved here:

Back from lunch, with gifts. Shit ton of stuff to unpack here, fellas
Not the neatest cap job, didn't do any editing, whoops. Hoping whoever is handling the archives passes it up, lots of spicy topics
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some highlights relevant to this topic:
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after this trainwreck of a conversation happened, there was a new rule put in place in the server rules:

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however, nsfw conversation related to forflora (mismatch) resumed after i was removed from the channels, glip participating in it if not initiating it, record of this is kept here:
some highlights:
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after this a friend of mine expressed discomfort that there was talk about nsfw comics/works in disassembly, a place where minors are:
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this is how this was met:
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note how they're implying my friend wants to actively endanger minors becausethey feel uncomfortable (also note that the rule had already been added and had been there for days, if not weeks)

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lol

axi clarifies the "boundary":
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more comments from glip:
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make of this and the constant claims of "we work hard to make sure to keep the space safe for minors" what you will.


for opa, because I know you're reading this: I edited the post down because I agree it was immature and in poor taste, but make sure your own house is in order before deciding what's unfair expression and what isn't.
 
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Alberto Balsalm

No Xmas for John Quays
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Well, speak of the devil, we've got a new Flora VN that includes references to Marl raping PK on the main site. And it's yet another crash course in PK's narcissistic tendencies.

The point of this VN is apparently to establish to a neutral viewpoint character (who's a hapless idiot - PK's grift is showing) that all of the people who hate PK are wrong, and her screaming at people on Discord is actually morally correct. When other people call PK abusive, they're blatantly mentally ill and you shouldn't listen to them, but PK being a victim of abuse from Marl gives her the special right to call anyone abusive on any terms without facing repercussions.

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This slide in particular seems like a tortured reinterpretation of what people have been saying in this thread and elsewhere. It's trying to invoke the thought that if you don't want PK to aggressively jump on people, you're in the same boat as (fictional) people who'd defend Marl.