Men's Rights Activists -

[QI 541]

I find all of the disproportionate hate MRAs get compared to feminists hilarious when they're practically the same thing.


Supervisor Edit: This thread is a split off from the Feminism thread. See here https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mens-rights-activists.14950/#post-1120228 for the intended OP.

 

[OfflineCyberBully]

I find all of the disproportionate hate MRAs get compared to feminists hilarious when they're practically the same thing.

Unfortunately, I think a fair amount of MRA hate stems from a knee-jerk reaction against the fact that the more extreme members of the movement essentially want to put women "back in the kitchen" and redefine the female identity solely on the basis of wife/motherhood, just as the common knee-jerk reaction to feminism is that it wants to destroy men. Of course, both these reactions are grounded in a kernel of truth - idiots on the extreme fringes of both movements seem to want exactly that to happen - and the more sensible, moderate elements in both movements get drowned out by the idiocy.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

MRAs are less widely-accepted than feminists because they don't do anything, really. From the start of the women's suffrage movement in the Anglosphere to the present, the feminist movement has influenced a lot of legislation and social reforms on gender equality, regardless of how one might think about the state of the label today. MRAs, despite being around in some form for about 40 years, have little to nothing to show for it.

 

[QI 541]

MRAs are less widely-accepted than feminists because they don't do anything, really.

Honestly, I think that would have made them more accepted. If Islam started changing laws in the West, the backlash is going to be ridiculous.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

Honestly, I think that would have made them more accepted. If Islam started changing laws in the West, the backlash is going to be ridiculous.

Same with feminism. Once the Muslims completely override western culture then we will love them just like we love the feminists

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Honestly, I think that would have made them more accepted. If Islam started changing laws in the West, the backlash is going to be ridiculous.

Do you think feminists just stormed in one day, staged a coup, and started passing laws? The reason they managed to create change in the first place is that activists gradually swayed public opinion in favor of certain reforms.

 

[QI 541]

Do you think feminists just stormed in one day, staged a coup, and started passing laws? The reason they managed to create change in the first place is that activists gradually swayed public opinion in favor of certain reforms.

That would be relevant if we were comparing MRAs to 1960s feminists. But we're comparing them with 2015 feminists, who last I checked, were whining to the UN because some people said mean things to them on the internet.

 

[Rin]

That would be relevant if we were comparing MRAs to 1960s feminists. But we're comparing them with 2015 feminists, who last I checked, were whining to the UN because some people said mean things to them on the internet.

Basically, at least at one point the feminist movement was actually successful and made important changes. The MRA movement has never done that. Thus it has more general credibility.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Do you think feminists just stormed in one day, staged a coup, and started passing laws? The reason they managed to create change in the first place is that activists gradually swayed public opinion in favor of certain reforms.

@PeteyCoffee, could you elaborate on your disagreement here?

Also "disproportionate hate" is laughable. MRAs get tweets that say "die cis scum". How awful for them.

I don't think it was implied that MRAs face hate speech or hate crimes, just a lot of negative sentiment.

 

[KingQueen]

cuz its true

I've seen 3 kinds of MRAs:
- loveshy incels (and their coverup counterpart Sensitive Men)
- mandudebro who thinks loving bacon and violence are innate masculine traits (and their coverup counterpart Intellectual Masculinity)
- regular dudes who actually want equality and think that Men's Rights sounds good because they saw it on the internet once without knowing much about actual MRAs

But I don't know who brought up MRAs in a thread about Feminism anyway.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

I've seen 3 kinds of MRAs:
- loveshy incels (and their coverup counterpart Sensitive Men)
- mandudebro who thinks loving bacon and violence are innate masculine traits (and their coverup counterpart Intellectual Masculinity)
- regular dudes who actually want equality and think that Men's Rights sounds good because they saw it on the internet once without knowing much about actual MRAs

But I don't know who brought up MRAs in a thread about Feminism anyway.

I've seen 3 kinds of feminists...

 

[AP 297]

I've seen 3 kinds of feminists...

List them. You came into this thread, made incoherent arguments and did everything to get people worked up over you to the point that you are the main topic of conversation.

List them and state your case.

 

[PeteyCoffee]

List them. You came into this thread, made incoherent arguments and did everything to get people worked up over you to the point that you are the main topic of conversation.

List them and state your case.

I've seen 3 kinds of MRAs Feminists:
- loveshy incels (and their coverup counterpart Sensitive Men Women)
- mandudebro progressive chick who thinks loving bacon makeup and violence brow-beating are innate masculine feminine traits (and their coverup counterpart Intellectual Masculinity Femininity)
- regular dudes people who actually want equality and think that Men's Rights Feminism sounds good because they saw it on the internet once without knowing much about actual MRAs Feminists

It doesn't make sense that someone would bring up MRAs in a thread about the female counterpart?

 

[AP 297]

I've seen 3 kinds of MRAs Feminists:
- loveshy incels (and their coverup counterpart Sensitive Men Women)
- mandudebro progressive chick who thinks loving bacon makeup and violence brow-beating are innate masculine feminine traits (and their coverup counterpart Intellectual Masculinity Femininity)
- regular dudes people who actually want equality and think that Men's Rights Feminism sounds good because they saw it on the internet once without knowing much about actual MRAs Feminists

It doesn't make sense that someone would bring up MRAs in a thread about the female counterpart?

So you are arguing they are simply different sides of the same coin, then?

 

[Vitriol]

As the thread on Feminism has predictably derailed into discussion of their counterpart the MRA movement I think it will be more productive to separate the discussions on the two movements. This should allow those who wish to discuss feminine issues, how they are being addressed and the drama associated with feminism as a movement and those who are interested in discussing masculine issues, how they are being addressed, and problems within that movement to do so without stepping all over each others toes.

The wiki article, while showing some signs of bias in its introduction is largely quite good at summarising the movement for those who are unaware. Here are the relevant sections:

Spoiler: Brief summary of the movement from wiki

Movement[edit]
The modern men's rights movement emerged from the men's liberation movement, which appeared in the first half of the 1970s when some thinkers began to study feminist ideas and politics.[15][16] The men's liberation movement acknowledged men's institutional power while critically examining the costs of traditional masculinity.[15] In the late 1970s, the men's liberation movement split into two separate strands with opposing views: the pro-feminist men's movement and the anti-feminist men's rights movement.[15] Men's rights activists have rejected feminist principles and focused on areas in which they believe men are disadvantaged, oppressed, or discriminated against.[15][16][17] In the 1980s and 90s, men's rights activists opposed societal changes sought by feminists and defended the traditional gender order in the family, schools and the workplace.[18] Men's rights activists see men as an oppressed group[19][20][21][22] and believe that society and men have been "feminized" by the women's movement.[7][19] Sarah Maddison, an Australian author, has claimed that Warren Farrell and Herb Goldberg "argue that, for most men, power is an illusion, and that women are the true power holders in society through their roles as the primary carers and nurturers of children."[19]

One of the first major men's rights organizations was the Coalition of American Divorce Reform Elements, founded by Richard Doyle in 1971, from which the Men's Rights Association spun off in 1973.[16][23] Free Men Inc. was founded in 1977 in Columbia, Maryland, spawning several chapters over the following years, which eventually merged to form the National Coalition of Free Men[24] (now known as the National Coalition for Men). Men's Rights, Inc. was also formed in 1977.[25][24] In the United Kingdom, a men's rights group calling itself the UK Men's Movement began to organize in the early 1990s.[26] The Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF) was founded in 2005, and in 2010 claimed to have over 30,000 members.[27][28][29]


Men's rights groups have formed in some European countries during periods of shifts toward conservatism and policies supporting traditional family and gender relations.[30] In the United States, the men's rights movement has ideological ties to neoconservatism.[31][32] Men's rights activists have received lobbying support from conservative organizations[33] and their arguments have been covered extensively in neoconservative media.[34]

The men's rights movement has become more vocal and more organized since the development of the internet.[35][36] The manosphere has emerged and men's rights websites have proliferated on the internet.[35] Activists mostly organize online.[37][38] The most popular men's rights site is A Voice for Men.[39][40] Other sites dedicated to men's rights issues are Roosh V's Return of Kings, the Fathers Rights Foundation, MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), and subreddits /r/MensRights and /r/TheRedPill.[41][42][43] Men's rights activists often use the red pill and blue pill metaphor from a scene in The Matrix to identify each other online and in reference to the moment they realized the truth about the world that men are oppressed.[37][39][40][41]

Political parties focusing on men's rights have been formed including the Australian Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting)[44] and the Israeli Man's Rights in the Family Party.[45][46][47]

Most men's rights activists in the United States are white, middle-class, heterosexual men.[38][48][49][50] Prominent activists include Warren Farrell,[19] Herb Goldberg,[19] The Rape of the Male author Richard Doyle,[51] A Voice for Men's Paul Elam,[39] and Asa Baber.[52][53] Recently, several women have emerged as leading voices of the MRM, including Karen Straughan, Helen Smith, and Erin Pizzey.[54]

Spoiler: Brief summary of issues from wiki

Issues[edit]
The men's rights movement is concerned with a wide variety of issues, some of which have spawned their own groups or movements, such as the fathers' rights movement, concerned specifically with divorce and child custody issues.[72] Some if not many men's rights issues stem from double standards, gender roles, and, according to sociologist Allan Johnson, [73]

Adoption[edit]
Men's rights activists seek to expand the rights of unwed fathers in case of their child's adoption.[74][75] Warren Farrell states that in failing to inform the father of her pregnancy, an expectant mother deprives an adopted child of a relationship with the biological father. He proposes that women be legally required to make every reasonable effort to notify the father of her pregnancy within four to five days.[75] In response, philosopher James P. Sterba agrees that for moral reasons a woman should inform the father of the pregnancy and adoption, but this should not be imposed as a legal requirement as it might result in undue pressure, for example, to have an abortion.[76]

Anti-dowry laws[edit]
Men's rights organizations such as Save Indian Family Foundation (SIFF) state that women misuse legislation meant to protect them from dowry death and bride burnings.[77] SIFF is a men's rights organization in India that focuses on the abuse of anti-dowry lawsagainst men.[78] SIFF has campaigned to abolish Section 498A of the Indian Penal Code, which protects wives from being harassed for refusing to pay dowries.[79][80] SIFF states anti-dowry laws are regularly being abused to settle petty disputes in marriage[81] and that they regularly receive calls from many men whose wives have used false dowry claims to imprison them.[82]

Child custody[edit]
See also: Fathers' rights movement

Family law is an area of deep concern among men's rights groups. Men's rights activists argue that the legal system and family courts discriminate against men, especially in regards to child custody after divorce.[83][84][85] They believe that men do not have the same contact rights or equitable shared parenting rights as their ex-spouse and use statistics on custody awards as evidence of judicial bias against men.[86] Men's rights advocates seek to change the legal climate for men through changes in family law, for example by lobbying for laws that would make joint custody the default custody arrangement except in cases where one parent is unfit or unwilling to parent.[87][86] They adopted the feminist rhetoric of "rights" and "equality" in their discourse, framing custody issues as a matter of basic civil rights.[15][55][88][89] Some men's rights activists suggest that the lack of contact with their children makes fathers less willing to pay child support.[90] Some others cite the parental alienation syndrome as a reason to grant custody to fathers.[91]

Critics argue that empirical research does not support the notion of judicial bias against men[83] and that men's rights advocates interpret statistics in a way that ignores the fact that the majority of men do not contest custody.[86] Academics critique the rhetorical framing of custody decisions, stating that men's rights advocates appeal for "equal rights" without specifying the constitutional rights that they believe have been violated.[92] Critics assert that the men's rights rhetoric of children's "needs" that accompanies their plea for equal rights helps deflect criticism that it is motivated by self-interest and masks men's rights advocates' own claims.[55][93] Deborah Rhode argues that contrary to the claims of some men's rights activists, research shows that joint legal custody does not increase the likelihood that fathers will pay child support or remain involved parents.[94]

Circumcision[edit]
See also: Circumcision controversies
Men's rights activists see circumcision, especially routine neonatal circumcision as a violation of men's genital integrity.[57] They criticize that female genital mutilation has received more attention than male circumcision.[95]

Some doctors and academics have argued that circumcision is a violation of men's right to health and bodily integrity,[96][97][98][99] while others have disagreed.[100][101][102][103]

Divorce[edit]
Men's rights groups in the United States began organizing in opposition of divorce reform and custody issues around the 1960s. The men involved in the early organization claimed that family and divorce law discriminated against them and favored their wives.[104]Richard Doyle wrote of the view of the men's rights movement concerning the court handling of divorces and child custody processes:

Divorce courts are frequently like slaughter-houses, with about as much compassion and talent. They function as collection agencies for lawyer fees, however outrageous, stealing children and extorting money from men in ways blatantly unconstitutional... Men are regarded as mere guests in their own homes, evictable any time at the whims of wives and judges. Men are driven from home and children against their wills; then when unable to stretch paychecks far enough to support two households are termed "runaway fathers." Contrary to all principles of justice, men are thrown into prison for inability to pay alimony and support, however unreasonable or unfair the "obligation."[72]

Men's rights activists assert that men are consciously or unconsciously opting out of marriage and engaging in a "marriage strike" as a result of the lack of benefits in marriage and the emotional and financial consequences of divorce, including alimony and child custody and support.[105][106][107] Men's rights activists have argued that divorce and custody laws violate men's individual rights to equal protection. Gwendolyn Leachman writes that this sort of framing "downplays the systemic biases that women face that justify protective divorce and custody laws."[108]

Domestic violence[edit]
See also: Domestic violence against men
Men's rights advocates describe domestic violence committed by women against men as a problem that goes ignored and under-reported,[109][110] in part because men are reluctant to describe themselves as victims.[110] They state that women are as aggressive or more aggressive than men in relationships[111] and that domestic violence is sex-symmetrical.[112][113] They frequently cite family conflict research by Murray Straus and Richard Gelles as evidence of sex-symmetry.[114][115][113][116][117] Men's rights advocates argue that judicial systems too easily accept false allegations of domestic violence by women against their male partners.[118] Christina Hoff Sommers has commented that "false claims about male domestic violence are ubiquitous and immune to refutation."[119] Men's rights advocates have been critics of legal, policy and practical protections for abused women,[113][120][121] campaigning for domestic violence shelters for battered men[109][110] and for the legal system to be educated about women's violence against men.[109]

Some critics have rejected the research cited by men's rights activists and dispute their claims that such violence is gender symmetrical,[6][15][111][111][122][123][124] arguing that the focus on women's violence stems from a political agenda to minimize the issue of men's violence against women[122] and to undermine services to abused women.[111][124] Donileen Loseke, Mary Cavanaugh and Richard Gelles cite as an example the challenge to the Minnesota Battered Woman's Act by the Men's Defense Association claiming that it was discriminatory because it protected women but not men.[113]

Education[edit]
Men's rights activists describe the education of boys as being in crisis, with boys having reduced educational achievement and motivation as compared to girls.[125] Advocates blame the influence of feminism on education for discrimination against and systematic oppression of boys in the education system.[126] They critique what they describe as the "feminization" of education, stating that the predominance of female teachers, a focus on girls' needs as well as a curricula and assessment methods that favour girls have proved repressive and restrictive to men and boys.[125][127]

Men's rights groups call for increased recognition of masculinity, greater numbers of male role models, more competitive sports and the increased responsibilities for boys in the school setting. They have also advocated clearer school routines, more traditional school structures, including single-sex classes, and stricter discipline.[127]

Critics suggest that men's rights groups view boys as a homogeneous group sharing common experiences of schooling and that they do not take sufficient account in their analysis of how responses to educational approaches may differ by age, culture, ethnicity, sexuality, religion, and class.[127]

In Australia, men's rights discourse has influenced government policy documents; less impact has been noted in the United Kingdom, where feminists have historically had less influence on educational policy.[126]

Female privilege[edit]
See also: Criticism of male privilege
The men's rights movement denies that men are privileged relative to women.[128] The movement is divided into two camps: those who consider men and women to be harmed equally by sexism, and those who view society as endorsing the degradation of men and upholding female privilege.[128]

Governmental structures[edit]
Men's rights groups have called for male-focused governmental structures to address issues specific to men and boys including education, health, work and marriage.[129][130][131] Men's rights groups in India have called for the creation of a Men's Welfare Ministry and a National Commission for Men, as well as the abolition of the National Commission for Women.[129][132][133] In the United Kingdom, the creation of a Minister for Men analogous to the existing Minister for Women, have been proposed by David Amess, MP andLord Northbourne, but were rejected by the government of Tony Blair.[130][134][135] In the United States, Warren Farrell heads a commission focused on the creation of a "White House Council on Boys and Men" as a counterpart to the "White House Council on Women and Girls" which was formed in March 2009.[125][131]

Health[edit]
Men's rights activists view the health issues faced by men and their shorter life spans as compared to women as evidence of discrimination and oppression.[72][136] They state that feminism has led to women's health issues being privileged at the expense of men's.[137] They point to higher suicide rates in men compared to women,[136][137] and highlight the funding of men's health issues as compared to women's, including noting that prostate cancer research receives less funding than breast-cancer research.[136][138]David Benatar has suggested more money should be put into health research on males in order to reduce the disparity between men's and women's life expectancy.[139]

Some have critiqued these claims,[122][136][140] stating, as Michael Messner puts it, that the poorer health outcomes are the heavy costs paid by men "for conformity with the narrow definitions of masculinity that promise to bring them status and privilege"[140] and that these costs fall disproportionately on men who are marginalized socially and economically.[140] In this view, and according to Michael Flood, men's health would best be improved by "tackling destructive notions of manhood, an economic system which values profit and productivity over workers' health, and the ignorance of service providers" instead of blaming a feminist health movement.[122]

Military conscription[edit]
Men's rights activists in the US have argued that military conscription of men is an example of discrimination against men.[72][2]

In 1971, draft resisters in the United States initiated a class-action suit alleging that male-only conscription violated men's rights to equal protection under the US constitution.[141][142] When the case, Rostker v. Goldberg, reached the Supreme Court in 1981, they were supported by a men's rights group and multiple women's groups, including the National Organization for Women.[142] However, the Supreme Court upheld the Military Selective Service Act, stating that "the argument for registering women was based on considerations of equity, but Congress was entitled, in the exercise of its constitutional powers, to focus on the question of military need, rather than equity.[141][143]

Paternity fraud[edit]
Main articles: Misattributed paternity and paternity fraud
Men's and fathers' rights groups have stated that there are high levels of misattributed paternity or "paternity fraud", where men are parenting and/or supporting financially children who are not biologically their own.[144] They hold biological views of fatherhood, emphasizing the imperative of the genetic foundation of paternity rather than social aspects of fatherhood.[144][145] They state that men should not be forced to support children fathered by another man,[146] and that men are harmed because a relationship is created between a man and non-biological children while denying the children and their biological father of that experience and knowledge of their genetic history. In addition, non-biological fathers are denied the resources to have their own biological children in another relationship.[144] Men's rights activists support the use of paternity testing to reassure presumed fathers about the child's paternity;[146] men's and fathers' rights groups have called for compulsory paternity testing of all children.[144][147][148] They have campaigned vigorously in support of men who have been shown by genetic testing not to be the biological father, but who are nevertheless required to be financially responsible for them.[145] Prompted by these concerns, legislators in certain jurisdictions have supported this biological view and have passed laws providing relief from child support payments when a man is proved not to be the father.[144][145] Australian men's rights groups have opposed the recommendations of a report by the Australian Law Reform Commission and theNational Health and Medical Research Council that would require the consent of both parents for paternity testing of young children,[146] and laws that would make it illegal to obtain a sample for DNA testing without the individual's consent.[149] Sociologist Michael Gilding asserts that men's rights activists have exaggerated the rate and extent of misattributed paternity, which he estimates at about 1–3%.[147][150][151] He opposed as unnecessary calls for mandatory paternity testing of all children.[147]

Prison[edit]
Men's rights activists point to differential prison terms for men and women as evidence of discrimination.[152][153][154] In the USA, Warren Farrell cites evidence that men receive harsher prison sentences and are more likely sentenced to death in the United States. He critiques society's belief in women as more innocent and credible, as well as battered woman and infanticide defenses.[154] He criticizes conditions in men's prisons and the lack of attention to prison male-to-male rape by authorities.[154]

Rape[edit]
False accusations against men[edit]
Main article: False accusation of rape
Men's rights activists are concerned with false accusations of rape and sexual assault[155] and desire to protect men from the negative consequences of false accusations.[156] Quoting research including that by Eugene Kanin and the U.S. Air Force they assert that 40–50% or more of rape allegations may be false.[157][158][159] They state that false accusations are a form of psychological rape.[157][160] They assert that the naming of the accused while providing the accuser with anonymity encourages abuse.[161][162][163] Robert O'Hara of A Voice for Men stated in a June 2014 interview that "this is one of those issues that it's so easy to draw so much hysteria about because we have this natural inclination to want to protect women, especially from rape, that this whole rape thing has been used by feminists to garner political power, lots of it, and money. The whole thing has been used as a scam".[164]

Criminalization of marital rape[edit]
Main article: Marital rape
Legislation and judicial decisions criminalizing marital rape are opposed by some Men's rights groups in the United Kingdom,[165][166][167][168] the United States[113][169] and India.[170] The reasons for opposition include concerns about false allegations related to divorce proceedings,[171][172][173] the belief that sex within marriage is part of the institution of marriage,[174][175] and in India anxiety about relationships[176] and the future of marriage as such laws give women "grossly disproportional rights".[177] Virag Dhulia of theSave Indian Family Foundation, a men's rights organization, has opposed recent efforts to criminalize marital rape in India, arguing that "no relationship will work if these rules are enforced."[176]

Reproductive rights[edit]
In 2006, the American National Center for Men backed a lawsuit known as Dubay v. Wells. The case concerned whether men should have the opportunity to decline all paternity rights and responsibilities in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. Supporters said that this would allow the woman time to make an informed decision and give men the same reproductive rights as women.[178] The case and the appeal were dismissed, the U.S. Court of Appeals (Sixth Circuit) stating that neither parent has the right to sever their financial responsibilities for a child, and that "Dubay's claim that a man's right to disclaim fatherhood would be analogous to a woman's right to abortion rests upon a false analogy."[179][180]

Social security and insurance[edit]
Men's rights groups argue that women are given superior social security and tax benefits than men.[58] Warren Farrell states that men in the United States pay more into social security, but in total women receive more in benefits, and that discrimination against men in insurance and pensions have gone unrecognized.[181]

Suicide[edit]
Main article: Gender differences in suicide
In the United States, the male-to-female suicide death ratio varies between 3:1 to 10:1.[182]

Like the feminism thread this is obviously a potential honeypot and every previous thread on the MRA movement or its issues here has failed. Because of this past history I will not be extending the benefit of the doubt I normally give to controversial posters. State your opinions in a calm, rational and polite manner. If I see absurd hyperbole (for example 'feminists are the KKK' or 'all theists are inherently mentally retarded'- both quotes from this forum) or any kind of aggressive language or personal attacks I will push for a shallow thoughts ban.

This thread will remain locked until I have moved over the relevant posts from the feminism thread. The last two pages of that thread are really talking about the MRA movement

Edit: unlocked

 

[GS 281]

I have to say, I do not understand he merit of Men's Rights Activists. Is it equal rights that MRA's seek? Different but equal in terms of accommodating rights? What is the overall objective of the MRA movement?

 

[Morbid Boredom]

I have to say, I do not understand he merit of Men's Rights Activists. Is it equal rights that MRA's seek? Different but equal in terms of accommodating rights? What is the overall objective of the MRA movement?

Their own comfort with a minimum of effort.

 

[KingQueen]

I have to say, I do not understand he merit of Men's Rights Activists. Is it equal rights that MRA's seek? Different but equal in terms of accommodating rights? What is the overall objective of the MRA movement?

This depends on which subgroup you talk to - while @PeteyCoffee thinks I was being snarky, I wasn't kidding. Besides the incels we make fun on on KF, there are other groups. One is ultra-conservative, who believe maleness and masculinity are objectively superior traits and that therefore, naturally, manly men should be in control. They range from your typical GOP fan all the way to gentlemen who think women are literal objects who exist for sexual pleasure for men. I find these folks and the incels believe that women are only truly satisifed with life once they accept and fulfil their natural purpose for sex, and that Feminism is women deluding themselves into thinking otherwise.

Then there are a group of men, often more liberal but not always, who see certain social cultures and laws as harming men and boys. For example, mother-favoring custody laws, the high male suicide rate, gang-related violence, and so on. They tend to campaign on ways to raise boys in more functional ways, as well as for legal changes. Some of them also support Feminism, but I think typically then they don't call themselves "MRAs" but I could be wrong. Some of them believe Feminism is matriarchal and actively dismantling rights for males.

 

[GS 281]

How does this translate into rights activism, though? What policy are they pushing for? How do they want government to change?

 

[chimpburgers]

How about women who identify themselves as MRAs like Karen Straughan?