What needs to be done to combat it? Hell, I even see occasional shades of this on this very site.
Mental health stigma - A blight on our society
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What needs to be done, beside hardcore enforcement of ADA and anti-discrimination laws, is make it easier to access (better coverage) and cheaper. Plus have mandatory screenings of kids in schools to catch some of these things early so they can get the help they need before they become fodder for this site. I know KF is full of high functioning autistic people that learned to fake normal pretty well, but most autistic people aren't high functioning. Hell, to get that high functioning/aspergers label all you need to do is not have a language delay and not have a significant intellectual disability. You could have an IQ of 80 or 90 (within a normal range) and still be considered "high functioning"
Most mentally ill and autistics can become relatively normal functioning members of society, if given a few extra supports that cost much less than a lifetime tugboat. Maybe they need a bit extra job search training, or help changing careers or maybe employers need an incentive to hire them and give them flexible work hours (like a tax rebate or something).
But people are so uptight in the states about MUH TAX DOLLARS when laying out a dollar today could save 8 down the road.
There will always be people too sick to be functioning members of society. But it's really depressing that even high functioning autistic people can't find jobs only because the job search process is such bullshit (these people aren't exactly great at first impressions), when they're perfectly capable of doing stuff that isn't customer-facing.
Most mentally ill and autistics can become relatively normal functioning members of society, if given a few extra supports that cost much less than a lifetime tugboat. Maybe they need a bit extra job search training, or help changing careers or maybe employers need an incentive to hire them and give them flexible work hours (like a tax rebate or something).
But people are so uptight in the states about MUH TAX DOLLARS when laying out a dollar today could save 8 down the road.
There will always be people too sick to be functioning members of society. But it's really depressing that even high functioning autistic people can't find jobs only because the job search process is such bullshit (these people aren't exactly great at first impressions), when they're perfectly capable of doing stuff that isn't customer-facing.
I agree that governments and even charities need to focus more on autistic adults (Post higher education), they've got higher unemployment rates than most other groups (From 2014 UK):
From the same official statistics 39% claim to not be interested in working ("Sixty-one per cent of those out of work say they want to work."), I think that may be higher since if they're not on disability yet they have to claim to be actively searching for work or the government will stop their
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I really don't know what can be done though since it'd take some intensive and expensive changes and even today nobody really knows how to treat autistic people and eventually after enough passing of the buck they just seem to get given a tugboat and in legal cases as we've seen with Chris-chan are treated like adult children and are given a slap on the wrist.
From the same official statistics 39% claim to not be interested in working ("Sixty-one per cent of those out of work say they want to work."), I think that may be higher since if they're not on disability yet they have to claim to be actively searching for work or the government will stop their
.I really don't know what can be done though since it'd take some intensive and expensive changes and even today nobody really knows how to treat autistic people and eventually after enough passing of the buck they just seem to get given a tugboat and in legal cases as we've seen with Chris-chan are treated like adult children and are given a slap on the wrist.
Round the moonbats up, and put 'em in camps.
I've been pretty lucky. A work programme here for disabled/special needs people got me a job at an ice rink. It got me out and gave me more confidence.
I don't see how there will ever not be some stigma about mental illness though, mentally ill people are more difficult to be friends with, lets face it.
I don't see how there will ever not be some stigma about mental illness though, mentally ill people are more difficult to be friends with, lets face it.
Well thanks for the replies, but I was talking about things more along the line of bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, not autism as well.
Or do you people just group those things together?
Of course you do, after all this IS Kiwi Farms...
Or do you people just group those things together?
Of course you do, after all this IS Kiwi Farms...
To be honest I don't think I've ever made fun of anyone with mental illness, and I don't see the point.
Are you sure? From my personal experience, people with developmental disorders get sent to "special" schools and units, receive speech therapy and that's it.
It's tough.
I've got a buddy who's got various flavors of crazy, along with a brother of his.
When they're cool they're cool people. But when their crazy is acting up, whether it's stressors, missed meds, or whatever, they're not cool.
Like really not cool.
It's all well and good to chuckle to yourself and go "oh hahaha they think that crazy thing". But then when their crazy thing starts to involve you since you're in sight and able to get thrown into the blender they're running reality through it can get really bad quick.
I don't give up on them, but some of those stigmas are there for a reason.
I've got a buddy who's got various flavors of crazy, along with a brother of his.
When they're cool they're cool people. But when their crazy is acting up, whether it's stressors, missed meds, or whatever, they're not cool.
Like really not cool.
It's all well and good to chuckle to yourself and go "oh hahaha they think that crazy thing". But then when their crazy thing starts to involve you since you're in sight and able to get thrown into the blender they're running reality through it can get really bad quick.
I don't give up on them, but some of those stigmas are there for a reason.
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There can be an overlap - some developmental disabilities have comorbidity with things like ADHD, OCD, and Depression. As the person you quoted said, people like that "won the mental illness lottery".
Your personal experience is just that - your personal experience.
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It's still the same stigma, isn't it? John Q Public can't tell the difference.
People still think vaccines cause autism ffs.
Am I the only person here who has taken being called "crazy" as a compliment?
A lot of these traits exist on a spectrum- a lot of people go through depression for example but it's only a few for whom it becomes debilitating. Some people without depression are mopey characters, and others with depression can be hilarious company. People without debilitating disorders (schizophrenia, for example) have a lot of choice in the face they wish to present to the world.
In my experience it's rare to hear stigma attached to any specific diagnosis, and I don't think saying stuff like "crazy" or "retarded" is stigmatising- I almost invariably hear those applied to behaviours rather than people with mental illness/learning difficulties.
Similarly, I heard the stigmatisation argument when, in light of Andreas Lubitz's shenanigans, airlines introduced screening for mental health issues. I don't think it holds water, personally- as XYZpdq said, some prejudices are there for a reason. Mental illness is quite similar to physical illness in that both can limit what you do (no place on the relay team for me and my teeming bronchitis bacteria), and both are abnormal states with negative consequences.
I'd be very wary of attempts to "destigmatise" mental illness by attempting to mainstream aberrant behaviour, but do think a view of it more along the lines of how we react to (non-transmissible) illness and injury is helpful, and that's what is increasingly being seen at least where I'm from.
In my experience it's rare to hear stigma attached to any specific diagnosis, and I don't think saying stuff like "crazy" or "retarded" is stigmatising- I almost invariably hear those applied to behaviours rather than people with mental illness/learning difficulties.
Similarly, I heard the stigmatisation argument when, in light of Andreas Lubitz's shenanigans, airlines introduced screening for mental health issues. I don't think it holds water, personally- as XYZpdq said, some prejudices are there for a reason. Mental illness is quite similar to physical illness in that both can limit what you do (no place on the relay team for me and my teeming bronchitis bacteria), and both are abnormal states with negative consequences.
I'd be very wary of attempts to "destigmatise" mental illness by attempting to mainstream aberrant behaviour, but do think a view of it more along the lines of how we react to (non-transmissible) illness and injury is helpful, and that's what is increasingly being seen at least where I'm from.
Maybe for youths, but as an adult it's all dealt by the 2gether NHS Foundation Trust, at least from experience anyway.
There's certainly a stigma toward depression where I'm from; unfortunately, there's very much that attitude here where you shouldn't say how you really feel because opening up is just generally frowned upon.
I'm not one to really go on about mental health or anything; but I tend to find the people who pretend to care about suicide cases etc are usually the ones who don't actually give a shit when somebody around them is suicidal/depressed.
I'm not one to really go on about mental health or anything; but I tend to find the people who pretend to care about suicide cases etc are usually the ones who don't actually give a shit when somebody around them is suicidal/depressed.
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There really should be a wider movement to de-stigmatize mental illness as a whole. Why can you break your leg, go to the hospital, and talk about it on Facebook for sympathy, but if you go to counseling for depression, it has to be some dark terrible secret? Part of the reason why it's hard to receive good care for mental health, at least in the States, is because there's still some bullshit "don't ask don't tell" stigma when it comes to talking about your feelings. It's still seen as a personal failing rather than something you can't physically control. Nobody with a mental illness *wants* to feel like shit or hear voices.
The unfortunate thing about mental health awareness movements is that they're pretty much exclusively latched onto by malingering Tumblrinas who DON'T have mental illnesses, or mentally ill people seeking asspats rather than taking their meds/going to therapy. When these types are representing an actually decent cause, it drives the whole movement backwards. I'm not really sure how to alleviate the problem. Maybe the SJWs and Tumblrinas will start the ball rolling in the right direction, even if their methods are autismal as fuck.
The unfortunate thing about mental health awareness movements is that they're pretty much exclusively latched onto by malingering Tumblrinas who DON'T have mental illnesses, or mentally ill people seeking asspats rather than taking their meds/going to therapy. When these types are representing an actually decent cause, it drives the whole movement backwards. I'm not really sure how to alleviate the problem. Maybe the SJWs and Tumblrinas will start the ball rolling in the right direction, even if their methods are autismal as fuck.
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