+ + +Michael Isaacson said:Dear Gretchen,
I suppose I should start by saying that what happened in Portland has happened many times before, and as such your impression of antifa should not change. That it did evidences perhaps some wishful thinking on your part. I am perfectly comfortable with what the Rose City crew did, particularly after finding out who Andy Ngo is and what he does.
Calling Ngo a journalist should be taken with a barrel of salt. He is well known among anti-fascists for being an accessory to fascist doxxing of leftists (not just mask-wearing, nazi-punching anti-fascists–I read a story about him recording a DSA member list so that the members could be doxxed). Thus, his presence among anti-fascists could be presumed to be not in the capacity of a journalist as normally defined.
I've seen these sorts of confrontations go down. Usually, the person (Ngo in this case) aggressively films anti-fascists, getting in their faces and shouting "interview" questions. We block their cameras with flags. Sometimes they get more aggressive than that and need to be removed. Andy learned the hard way. Hopefully he takes a hard look at what he does, its consequences, what his goals are, and whether what he does brings him closer to his goals.
As for the nature of his injuries, you don't beat someone up so that they walk away unscathed. As someone comfortable with physical confrontation as part of a diverse spectrum of tactics, you have to be comfortable with the unseemly consequences.
That said, the likelihood that quikrete was added to the milkshakes is pretty far-fetched given that quikrete isn't that quick to dry. This is par for the far right course. After Richard Spencer got knocked in the noggin, 8chan took one still from the video and convinced themselves that the puncher had a wrench the size of his forearm tucked into his sleeve.
But I want to address this "gift to the right" thing, because this is the second time it has come up. Just like with a fascist protest, an accessory to fascists would far prefer to go about unmolested. Fascists would rather recruit, and Andy Ngo would rather doxx anti-fascists.
Holding up Andy Ngo vs. Rose City's fundraiser is no evidence of this in my opinion because it isn't an apt comparison. A more apt comparison would be the one Emily Gorcenski drew yesterday: The fundraiser for the victims of the Charlottesville car attack earned less than the fundraiser for Andy Ngo (and there were 38 victims in Charlottesville). To me this just demonstrates that there is just more money for the far right than the far left.
But back to physical confrontation, since that seems to be the biggest concern when it comes to antifa. As you point out, there are those who say that political use of physical force makes antifa as bad as fascists. This is absurd not because anti-fascist force is qualitatively different than fascist force, but because fascists did not invent the political use of physical force.
It was an anarchist who killed President William McKinley, and a neo-confederate who killed Lincoln. It was the Sicarii who killed Roman dignitaries and Jewish collaborators in occupied first century Judea, and communists who killed English colonizers in occupied 20th century India. It was the patriots who killed British redcoats during the American revolution. Yes, even liberals engage in political physical confrontation.
Point is, there is nothing uniquely fascist about physical force for political purposes, and asserting the contrary cedes way too much political ground to fascists in a very dangerous way. In other words, this sort of reasoning presumes that it is okay for fascists to engage in political physical confrontation, but no one else.
This leads me to addressing your point about people jumping through hoops to justify anti-fascist tactics. I agree that many anti-fascists do jump through logical hoops to justify anti-fascist physical confrontation. I think that is more a function of them trying to integrate "non-violence" into their anti-fascism.
As I have written in Public Seminar, violence is meaningless as anything but a moral signifier. Violence and non-violence are as plastic as justifying the enforcement actions of the state or other hegemonic formations needs them to be. Christ, I saw claims that passive highway sit-ins by Black Lives Matter were violent because they could be disrupting ambulance routes. It's rare that the actions of police are called violence. Good luck finding a mainstream media outlet willing to call what border patrol does violence. The point, as Robert Hale makes so clearly in Coercion and Distribution in a Supposedly Non-Coercive State, is that there is physical confrontation and the threat of it all around us that structures society.
So, in this context, it makes little sense to claim that it is only prior physical force that justifies physical force. I think, as Enlightenment universalism would forbid, it's worth considering whether physical force against fascists and their collaborators, specifically, is justified. I believe the threat their specific ideological aims and their means of attaining them present within the context of a liberal capitalist state are dire enough to justify physical force. This is a conclusion I have come to as a consequence of researching fascism and its history. I did not have the politics I have now when I first began my research, and it is largely this research that has changed my politics.
I look forward to your reply.
So basically, unless you belong to some privileged elite class, like "journalist," your life is worthless and murdering you is A-OK.Giraffe Dad doesn't have much to say on twitter about Quillette journalist Andy Ngo being battered by Antifa thugs; he simply retweets partisan articles.
I suggest that your maintain your innocence in this regard. Fuller knowledge on this point will not make you any happier.I'll never understand why the people who claim to be for love, peace, tolerance, and understanding are always so hateful, violent, bigoted, and ignorant.
"I'm an anarchist"Oh-oh! Who hadn't seen it coming?
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Perhaps my calling him "Giraffe Dad" had an effect; Kiwi Farm has very good SEO after all.
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Writing meaningfully is hard for you Mike.
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Because they like to hear you talk Mike.
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How many business owners have you personally talked with? Just because business people don't usually parrot progressive swill such as "no borders!", "believe women!" or "transwomen are women" doesn't mean they are "morons".
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The fact that business owners managed to strong-arm governments to give them dough means they're hardly "morons".
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Places like the United Caliphate is hurting because the government basically monopolized health care, but no this must be a lie because Kropotkin said otherwise:
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Whole blog page. He puts down some erroneous math concerning insurance (probably because he doesn't even understand what he wrote) and the wrong conclusion naturally follows.
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His hate-boner for books pokes out again:
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Divide by zero error.
And free speech is Fascist, of fucking course:
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It is completely unsurprising that postmodernist paper generators have existed for some time. These niggas have not a single brain cell of creativity: they're all fed the same bullshit and produce the same bullshit. The 9 to 5 office drone is not only significantly less conformist than Professor Giraffe here but is also making enough money to feed himself.This guy is a random.txt generator at this point. I'm pretty sure he's not a real person and I don't think he ever was. The line about machine learning is just him coming very close to becoming self-aware.
So he got fired from his job doing hackwork as a copywriter and then his next tweet was directed at a professional writer for the New Yorker about how easy writing is? This would be like lecturing Beethoven about how to play the piano 5 minutes after accidentally slamming your dick in the keyboard cover.