Artcow Michael John Kricfalusi / John Kricfalusi / John K. / John K. Stuff / Raymond Spum - scammer animator who pissed away his own career, salty blogger, CONFIRMED predator and child rapist

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Cardenio

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But when exactly was said decline? Because John was kicked out earlier than you think, and most shows lose their steam after a few seasons anyway.

What I'm trying to say is I feel like even now Johnny's lying is skewing the results, since the stupid fucker couldn't even last two seasons. and it wasn't even most of the second one.
Well Season 2 was still the Spumco Era, that's just where the majority of great episodes lie.

There was some good stuff that happened later the one where Games Animation directly parodies John K with his insane & abusive nature. But it felt like after the Spumco seasons they just started repeating stories. The first two seasons of Ren & Stimpy hold up because each episode really did do its own absurd thing.
 

roj

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It's more applicable in theatrical animation, but animation in general is a very collaborative art. Auteurism as generally imagined doesn't really apply to it.
Miyazaki auteurism also works because he actually works on his movies and doesn't piss himself every 10 minutes because he can't get it right. The difference is the work ethic.
 

Eloise419

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To be fair to Danny Antonucci, he's willing to admit a few things went wrong while making it, even if he still likes it overall.
And he's a professional: he's not afraid to admit to its shortcomings instead just blaming anything and everything else (the network, the censors, the staff, the fans...)
 

Rukario

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And he's a professional: he's not afraid to admit to its shortcomings instead just blaming anything and everything else (the network, the censors, the staff, the fans...)
No doubt him admitting the failure of it led to his next creation - Ed, Edd & Eddy - being so good by fixing or replacing all the elements that went wrong.
 

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I feel like The Brothers Grunt was the type of thing meant less as a commercial product and more a way to show off Danny's artistic skills that inexplicably got a spot on basic cable. Seriously, there's no goddamn way that thing would appeal to a broad enough audience to sustain itself. It's hard to imagine what the hypothetical target audience for such a thing could be.

With Ed, Edd, n Eddy, on the other hand, he knew what kind of show he wanted to do: a mix of Peanuts and Bob Clampett cartoons that combines many of the best elements of both. Compare that to John K, who has a very skewed perspective regarding Clampett's work, as well as animation in general, which is strongly reflected in his work, even his material on Ren & Stimpy.
 

Siryakko212

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With Ed, Edd, n Eddy, on the other hand, he knew what kind of show he wanted to do
I am surprised that no one here even mentioned that Danny Antonucci only made Ed, Edd n Eddy because someone made a bet that Danny couldn't make a cartoon for kids.

Didn't we also mentioned on this thread about John K meeting Danny in his Sheridan College days? I think it was mentioned before.
 

Steamboat_Bill

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I am surprised that no one here even mentioned that Danny Antonucci only made Ed, Edd n Eddy because someone made a bet that Danny couldn't make a cartoon for kids.

Didn't we also mentioned on this thread about John K meeting Danny in his Sheridan College days? I think it was mentioned before.
I don't think he ever met John K. but they did go to the same college at about the same time, so it's not impossible.
 

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Thinking about Cans without Labels, that and Brothers Grunt have one thing in common which I believe caused them to fail - they had no characters which were likeable in them. Unless there's a character to like, its unlikely a person will watch more than a few minutes because they can't get interested in what they are seeing.

Even media based focused on villains can succeed if the character is likeable or you sympathise with them (case in point: Joker) or if a likeable character is given a second or third role (case in point: Invader Zim). George Liquor is possibly one of the most detestable villains of all time, Adult Party Cartoon stripped the fun out of Ren and Stimpy and made them little more than cameo appearances in surrealist situations, and every character in Brothers Grunt was unappealing.
 

Siryakko212

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Hear me out on this. I feel like George Liquor could be an interesting character. He certainly has a lot of archetypes that makes him interesting. But I don't think John K really knows what to do with him. He was a perfect foil in Man's Best Friend but then what else? Every other appearance just feels like he's..... just there. Even in Cans Without Labels, he was just there. Did he really serve any purpose in Cans Without Labels?

I feel like what George Liquor lacked was a foil of his own. Someone who could challenge his beliefs. Someone who could be a politically-correct like character. It's funny that John K would drone on and on about George Liquor and what he is all about, etc. He has very interesting ideas about the character, but from what very little we seen of it nobody really sees the appeal.

Also isn't it no coincidence that the best George Liquor ever got was when John K was working with better writers? Bill Wray came up with the idea for Man's Best Friend and never got credited for it.
 

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when was the last time Miyazaki worked in television, the 70s?

Even then it was in-between animation for the Lupin the 3rd series.
Yeah, it was lot's of skids-and-runs. All very nice looking movements, to be sure.

 

Steamboat_Bill

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Hear me out on this. I feel like George Liquor could be an interesting character. He certainly has a lot of archetypes that makes him interesting. But I don't think John K really knows what to do with him. He was a perfect foil in Man's Best Friend but then what else? Every other appearance just feels like he's..... just there. Even in Cans Without Labels, he was just there. Did he really serve any purpose in Cans Without Labels?

I feel like what George Liquor lacked was a foil of his own. Someone who could challenge his beliefs. Someone who could be a politically-correct like character. It's funny that John K would drone on and on about George Liquor and what he is all about, etc. He has very interesting ideas about the character, but from what very little we seen of it nobody really sees the appeal.

Also isn't it no coincidence that the best George Liquor ever got was when John K was working with better writers? Bill Wray came up with the idea for Man's Best Friend and never got credited for it.
George Liquor worked when he was in Ren and Stimpy because he wasn't the protagonist - Ren and Stimpy were.

In "Man's Best Friend" he's clearly a foil to Ren and Stimpy. He's the butt of the joke, and we watch as the protagonists have to deal with this guy and his crazy ideas on how to train pets, and that's where the comedy comes from. The dynamic is the same, to an extent, in "Dog Show."

It also helps that both were written by people who didn't actually believe the manly-man shit George Liquor believes in.
 

Eloise419

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To tell you the truth (sorry, I WAS a kid), I used to confuse George Liquor with Wilbur Cobb, but the like Steamboat_Bill said, both were tolerable since neither one (at the time, anyway) were trying to overtake Ren and Stimpy. When that tradition ended and JK decided to have George as a star minus the creative input that his former associates had and you get shit like CWL. That's why the episodes with Cobb are still special to me and the ones with George...aren't.

Also, it's August 2nd. Somebody's time is way past up. 😏
 

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