Microsoft will unveil the next version of Windows on June 24th - What's next after Windows 10?

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What dies this secure boot shit really achieve though? I mean is it really neccessary to have some more shit added to the hardware to fuck with programs?

you can guarantee this is going to fuck up a lot, and as much as they wank themselves off about how secure it is you can bet its going to be compromised at some point like most 'secute' software ever especially since alot of hardware is backdoored anyway.

and at that point what is the fucking point. We've added more bloat to hardware and made it less efdicient all in the name of a security problem that never existed?
Great point! The Michelangelo virus has only been around for thirty years. And Snowden exposed NSA weapons that use a variety of firmware attacks.

But I guess MBR/UEFI violations aren't an issue.
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Can you cite a case where SecureBoot has stopped people from using Linux? I understand that if it's enabled, it's more difficult to build your own kernel, you have to go through a couple steps to add and approve a signing key. Not trying to prune my kernel down to the lowest number of KB to run on a 486 with 8MB of RAM anymore, so I'm probably fine with that.

Now, there is a certain problem that I feel should be solved, but which even if a solution is developed could, in theory, be blocked by a cabal of 'approved' Linux (well, grub or 'shim') developers under SecureBoot. That's a mostly-deniable version of full disk encryption.

Truecrypt does have hidden volumes, but what the people really need for their phones and laptops is an option where you can enter one passphrase at boot, and get a mount of a partition that seemingly covers the entire drive, but which writes L->R, so it can be played around with by a customs official or other adversary but won't expose hidden data or even damage it, unless they fill up the entire drive. Or, if you enter a different passphrase, it mounts the hidden partition, R->L. That could be restricted in size so it doesn't damage the deniable partition.

I acknowledge that such a solution isn't perfect- there would be some patterns in flash wear that might be usable to expose that it had been used- but it could seriously impact on the ability of malicious actors to force an unlock.

If such a solution is developed, but blocked from integration into Grub etc by devs with the ability to get things signed? I'll consider SecureBoot malicious.
 

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If such a solution is developed, but blocked from integration into Grub etc by devs with the ability to get things signed? I'll consider SecureBoot malicious.
I would think that once you're at the point of needing this kind of security, you should be signing (if not building) all your own boot code anyway, not relying on others' keys remaining uncompromised. I'm willing to bet the Phosphorescent Afro-Americans already have rootkits signed with the Microsoft keys, and maybe the keys of the big-name third parties like Canonical too.

I think the point where Secure Boot becomes a threat is if motherboard manufacturers ever start shipping boards with restrictions on what you can do with the keys. The most likely first step in that direction is "You can still add your own keys but you can't remove the Microsoft key".
 

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I would think that once you're at the point of needing this kind of security, you should be signing (if not building) all your own boot code anyway, not relying on others' keys remaining uncompromised. I'm willing to bet the Phosphorescent Afro-Americans already have rootkits signed with the Microsoft keys, and maybe the keys of the big-name third parties like Canonical too.

I think the point where Secure Boot becomes a threat is if motherboard manufacturers ever start shipping boards with restrictions on what you can do with the keys. The most likely first step in that direction is "You can still add your own keys but you can't remove the Microsoft key".
I dunno, I feel like this is a pretty common use case. It's not just for freedom fighters, but drug dealers, all sorts of people (and a very different matter from Secure Boot)

There are a lot of authoritarian police states around the world run by hostile regimes which hate their own people where you can be prosecuted just for refusing to unlock an encrypted device, places like Britain. There are very good reasons you wouldn't want to hand over your keys, and you don't have to be an international spy either (someone at the risk level where you'd worry about FW implants)- maybe you have some spicy memes and a copy of the Anarchist Cookbook that could land you in jail for a decade, maybe you just deal relatively safe drugs like cocaine or meth. You want a way to have plausible deniability and not go to jail because you refuse to incriminate yourself by handing over real encryption keys.

The key is to have something that lets you walk through customs or be raided by police, and if asked be able to fire up your smartphone/laptop to a full operating system- completely separate from the one you use normally- with just a bunch of gay porn and your plans to visit gay resorts across the country you're entering. The sort of stuff that British pigs will be fine with.

I don't believe anyone has implemented this yet, even with TrueCrypt full disk encryption and older versions of Windows.

It's kind of been done by some of those 'encrypted phone' companies that make special phones for drug dealers, but what I've seen of the 'dummy OS's they provided looked pretty unconvincing in my book.
 

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Why wait for shit to happen when people are doing stuff that has no other possible purpose than to do the shit you're worried about? It's like someone is pointing a gun at you and you're asking well has he shot you yet?
 

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Steve Dispensa, who is a vice president of Enterprise Management of Microsoft, explains changes that were implemented under the system’s hood will make Windows 11 save on average 32% of memory and 37% of CPU usage. A lot of emphasis was put on Windows hibernation and wake-up time. With Intel 8th Gen Core series and up, Microsoft expects near-instantaneous wake-up time, similar to ARM-based always-on devices.
Windows 10 will not get these optimizations for reasons, but it could extend the life of those cheap Celeron PCs with 4 GB of RAM.
 

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Windows 10 will not get these optimizations for reasons, but it could extend the life of those cheap Celeron PCs with 4 GB of RAM.
This stuff won't cut it anymore, I can already see all of the latinos on suicide watch for they will need to upgrade their 775 mobos rocking intel core 2 duos and ddr2 sticks
 

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Only Microsoft could have the brilliant idea to release a new operating system that requires 8th gen+ Intel processors (and AMD equivalents) when there is a worldwide chip shortage.

There is only going to be more chip demand, not less and supply is going to remain restrained at least until 2023 according to some projections. Countless millions of older but functional computers could be left in the dust if MS had its way.

I wonder how many people are going to suddenly discover beginner-friendly Linux distros because of this.
 

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I don't mind MS pulling this SecureBoot thing into new Windows. It has some potential and as someone have put it already it has some pro's and con's. It will filter some substantial chunk of Windows users, but same thing happened when there was transition from 9X system to XP. The number of processors supported by Windows nowadays is bigger than it was in days of XP and it's hard to maintain the backwards compatibility back to 5th gen processors.

Guys, you remember the seething against Windows Vista and its most notable YT video:

Thing is the leap that Vista took in comparison to what XP did was tremendous. It lifted support for so many and really outdated peripherals and internals that is no surprise it got so bad opinion at launch. At least this time MS is informing users that everything older than 2018 is unable to run this system - and that is ok for me.
 

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Only Microsoft could have the brilliant idea to release a new operating system that requires 8th gen+ Intel processors
Is there any confirmation that Win11 will require new processors to run? I've seen people running the leaked beta on potatoes.
I thought the official requirements were just MIcrosoft saying to manufacturers "Don't sell new Win11 systems with less than this".
 

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Couldn't be more right. They're going to lose even moar userbase haha.
 

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I blocked Windows Update by doing the hard way, meaning I deleted the specific .dlls which WU uses. So far I haven't been nagged to update and the PC is still usable with no problems.

I always disabled Windows Update since Windows 2000 and I haven't been pwned yet. But the M$ technotards will scold you acting like it's the end of the world if you do. It's ridiculous.

Hopefully I won't be forced to install this shit one day.
 
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Thanks, I hate it.

EDIT: It keeps bugging me to turn location services on.

EDIT 2: You can't even resize the giant ass taskbar without doing a registry edit, which cuts off the date. Also, you can't remove the date.

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Thanks, I hate it.

EDIT: It keeps bugging me to turn location services on.

EDIT 2: You can't even resize the giant ass taskbar without doing a registry edit, which cuts off the date. Also, you can't remove the date.

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Can I take advantage of your foolishness bravery to ask a few basic questions?

1. How easy is it to make the task bar full width and have icons and start menu left aligned as usual?
2. How easy / is it possible to still use the full screen start page instead of the little bottom left menu that was the default in Windows 10 or whatever the default menu system is in 11? I REALLY like my full screen start menu and have everything arranged into logical columns that help me manage it.
3. Does it still have multiple desktops?