Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

[Electric Pence]

Lmao no they don't they don't even have a fucking nervous system. That shit is pure retardation.

Unless you are seriously buying into this level of lunatic faggotry, just get off with this bullshit.

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Is that Elrond Hubbard?

 

[RMQualtrough]

I think the sad part about crazy vegans is they kind of ruined any intelligent conversation surrounding meat consumption. I think most people can agree that at the very least factory farming and meat markets should be more strictly regulated and supervised but as soon as you say anything on the topic there's always that one person who's going to compare eating a big mac to the holocaust or something extremely hyperbolic like that.

Like for instance, a common thing crazy vegans say which I agree with to an extent is that it's really hypocritical that our society has all of these strict laws about animal cruelty when it comes to dog and cats, but not when it comes to cows, pigs, etc. Like everybody lost their mind when that twitch streamer threw her cat (an animal that is known for being able to survive incredibly long falls with minimal injury) but nobody cares that slaughter house workers chuck chickens across the room like footballs and shit like that. But they frame it in such a way where it's **your** fault for eating meat you holocausting ignorant piece of human garbage, which completely undermines the legitimacy of their argument.

Cats and dogs are different IMO because they were literally bred to be companion animals. They were spefically bred to have traits for that purpose. The human relationship with dogs goes back way further even, to when we were all tribes... It was a symbiotic relationship, humans would benefit from wild dogs for pest control etc. and they benefited from humans by getting the scraps of hunted meals. There's a special term for this in nature which I can't recall, it happens with other species too.

Eating a domestic animal that was genetically engineered to be a friend to humans is the ultimate form of betrayal.

Pigs is kinda bad too because they can form close relationships with people like dogs etc. can.

Chickens and turkeys doesn't seem to be on that level. I don't think they're as sentient and I don't think they have have deep connections with their owners.

 

[AnOminous]

It was a symbiotic relationship, humans would benefit from wild dogs for pest control etc. and they benefited from humans by getting the scraps of hunted meals. There's a special term for this in nature which I can't recall, it happens with other species too.

Mutualism.

 

[bot_for_hire]

Eating a domestic animal that was genetically engineered to be a friend to humans is the ultimate form of betrayal.

Pigs is kinda bad too because they can form close relationships with people like dogs etc. can.

So you're against eating horses then?

In Japanese cuisine, raw horse meat is called sakura (桜) or sakuraniku (桜肉, sakura means "cherry blossom", niku means "meat") because of its pink color. It can be served raw as sashimi in thin slices dipped in soy sauce, often with ginger and onions added.[67] In this case, it is called basashi (馬刺し). Basashi is popular in some regions of Japan and is often served at izakaya bars. Fat, typically from the neck, is also found as basashi, though it is white, not pink. Horse meat is also sometimes found on menus for yakiniku (a type of barbecue), where it is called baniku (馬肉, literally "horse meat") or bagushi (馬串, "skewered horse"); thin slices of raw horse meat are sometimes served wrapped in a shiso leaf. Kumamoto, Nagano, and Ōita are famous for basashi, and it is common in the Tōhoku region, as well. Some types of canned "corned meat" in Japan include horse as one of the ingredients.[68][69]
Aside from raising local draft horses for meat,[70][71] Japan imports living horses (from Canada) and meat from several countries — the five largest horse meat exporters to Japan are Canada, Mexico, Italy, Argentina, and Brazil.[72]

In Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, horse meat is a large part of the diet, due mainly to the nomadic roots of the population. Some of the dishes include sausages called kazy and chuchuk or shuzhyk made from the meat using the guts as the sausage skin, zhaya made from hip meat, which is smoked and boiled, jal (or zhal) made from neck fat which is smoked and boiled, karta made from a section of the rectum that is smoked and boiled, and sur-et which is kept as dried meat.[73]

Mongolian cuisine includes salted horse meat sausages called kazy are produced as a regional delicacy by the Kazakhs. Generally, Mongols prefer beef and mutton (though during the extremely cold Mongolian winter, some people prefer horse meat due to its low cholesterol). It is kept unfrozen, and traditionally people think horse meat helps warm them up.[74][75]
Other Asian nations import processed horse meat from Mongolia.[72][76][77]

 

[RMQualtrough]

So you're against eating horses then?

I'm not "against" eating pigs and such, just they're closer parallels to dogs/cats, as opposed to pure livestock animals like chickens.

 

[Adamska]

Note that there are dog breeds designed purely to be used for food by the by. The mexican Xolo and the hawaiian poi are both examples. Korea also has a specific breed for this purpose too.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

You know the ONE thing that I fucking hate about militant vegans? Slowly killing their dogs and cats "for the good of the planet", instead of getting a fucking rabbit or some other small herbivorous creature. "BUH I LOVE DOGS AND CATS". Jesus the hypocrisy makes me want to rip my own throat out, because for animal "lovers" they sure are the most braindead idiots I've ever seen.

 

[Begemot]

You know the ONE thing that I fucking hate about militant vegans? Slowly killing their dogs and cats "for the good of the planet", instead of getting a fucking rabbit or some other small herbivorous creature. "BUH I LOVE DOGS AND CATS". Jesus the hypocrisy makes me want to rip my own throat out, because for animal "lovers" they sure are the most braindead idiots I've ever seen.

We redeem those fallen creatures. Just because someone says a cat is an 'obligate carnivore' doesn't mean they shouldn't be fed carrots out of a sense of superior morality. All carnivores will bend the knee to the new reset.

 

[Adamska]

We redeem those fallen creatures. Just because someone says a cat is an 'obligste carnivore' doesn't mean they shouldn't be fed carrots out of a sense of superior morality. All carnivores will bend the knee to the new reset.

Your act is old and stale, like the ten year old bar of mexican chocolate my one Spanish teacher in high school had as a demonstration device.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

Cats and dogs are different IMO because they were literally bred to be companion animals. They were spefically bred to have traits for that purpose.

Dogs yes. We bred them from wolves and they became companions. But there are still cultures out there that will eat dog.

Cats however? We never domesticated them, they domesticated us. This is part of the reason why cats are so aloof and independent. They showed up one day, were good at catching the vermin that would destroy our food crops. We in turn gave them a warm place to stay and lots of petting. But whereas a dog sees you as being the alpha, cats don't. As far as they're concerned, they're the ones in charge.

 

[MysticMisty]

Pigs is kinda bad too because they can form close relationships with people like dogs etc. can.

Bacon tastes too good for me to give up. Horses I have mixed feelings about since they're taboo in the US, but every horse I've encountered has been mean and hated people overall. But knowing vegans they probably hate when people only just ride horses anyways. Not even for horse racing or any horse sport, just in general.

 

[AnOminous]

Bacon tastes too good for me to give up. Horses I have mixed feelings about since they're taboo in the US, but every horse I've encountered has been mean and hated people overall. But knowing vegans they probably hate when people only just ride horses anyways. Not even for horse racing or any horse sport, just in general.

I've never encountered a hostile horse, at least to me. I have a possibly deontological belief that some animals are inherently honorable and friends to humankind and just do not like anything involving eating them. These include cats, dogs, and horses. But I have no principled argument for the special status of these animals in my mind, other than I have a personal rule about it.

I also think there is a general principle that animals other than humans have inherent value related to their capacity for thought and morality in general. I really have a problem with ever killing elephants, who routinely commemorate their dead and have been observed engaging in altruistic behavior, like rescuing other animals when they are trapped in mud with no benefit to themselves. Similarly, I view cetaceans as almost human.

 

[Logical Fallacies]

We redeem those fallen creatures. Just because someone says a cat is an 'obligste carnivore' doesn't mean they shouldn't be fed carrots out of a sense of superior morality. All carnivores will bend the knee to the new reset.

Can't decide whether joking or just psychotic.

I really hate vegans who feed their carnivore pets a vegan diet or who feed shit vegan food to their small children. They're narcs and abusers. I am sure if you make a study, the majority of vegans are narcissists.

 

[AnOminous]

I really hate vegans who feed their carnivore pets a vegan diet or who feed shit vegan food to their small children.

This. I literally want to kill anyone who murders cats by refusing to feed them the meat they literally need to live.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Can't decide whether joking or just psychotic.

I really hate vegans who feed their carnivore pets a vegan diet or who feed shit vegan food to their small children. They're narcs and abusers. I am sure if you make a study, the majority of vegans are narcissists.

They're a troll.

 

[MysticMisty]

I've never encountered a hostile horse, at least to me. I have a possibly deontological belief that some animals are inherently honorable and friends to humankind and just do not like anything involving eating them. These include cats, dogs, and horses. But I have no principled argument for the special status of these animals in my mind, other than I have a personal rule about it.

I mean, I personally have no desire to eat horse. But I witnessed a horse attempting to bite my mom after she paid to ride it. And every horse I've seen, be it on TV, in movies, or in person, has had their ears back, which means they're angry. And only one of those times did I feel it had a real need to be angry (there were girls throwing fistfuls of hay at it and demanding it to eat). But that's just my personal observations. I still wouldn't eat a horse.

I really have a problem with ever killing elephants, who routinely commemorate their dead and have been observed engaging in altruistic behavior, like rescuing other animals when they are trapped in mud with no benefit to themselves. Similarly, I view cetaceans as almost human.

I'd like to add to this and say that I don't believe in trophy hunting at all. Even deer is questionable since it's not necessarily about eating the meat. But people who go somewhere to shoot an animal, especially an exotic one in a foreign country, are just trying to feel big about their petty selves. I don't see how an American going to Africa just to shoot lions or giraffes is about preservation either.

Vegans are nuts though because they'll take everything I just said and finish it with "and that's why it's wrong to eat all animals and why we should starve ourselves". Seriously, I've never seen a healthy-looking vegan that wasn't cheating (for "health reasons", of course).

 

[Logical Fallacies]

They're a troll.

Good. I was getting worried about their mental health.

I mean, I personally have no desire to eat horse. But I witnessed a horse attempting to bite my mom after she paid to ride it. And every horse I've seen, be it on TV, in movies, or in person, has had their ears back, which means they're angry. And only one of those times did I feel it had a real need to be angry (there were girls throwing fistfuls of hay at it and demanding it to eat). But that's just my personal observations. I still wouldn't eat a horse.


I'd like to add to this and say that I don't believe in trophy hunting at all. Even deer is questionable since it's not necessarily about eating the meat. But people who go somewhere to shoot an animal, especially an exotic one in a foreign country, are just trying to feel big about their petty selves. I don't see how an American going to Africa just to shoot lions or giraffes is about preservation either.

Vegans are nuts though because they'll take everything I just said and finish it with "and that's why it's wrong to eat all animals and why we should starve ourselves". Seriously, I've never seen a healthy-looking vegan that wasn't cheating (for "health reasons", of course).

Horse bites are fucking horrible. They don't necessarily draw blood, but they bruise like hell.

Ears back on a horse means it is anxious or in a heightened state of alertness, not anger. Horses (animals) don't get angry, they get afraid. Anger is a human emotion.

I also wouldn't eat a horse. Eating horse is forbidden in my country anyways. There are only certain species of animals that are allowed to get slaughtered for human consumption where I live.

 

[AnOminous]

Vegans are nuts though because they'll take everything I just said and finish it with "and that's why it's wrong to eat all animals and why we should starve ourselves". Seriously, I've never seen a healthy-looking vegan that wasn't cheating (for "health reasons", of course).

I honestly can't disagree that much with vegans who start with a general view of the moral worth of animals, especially mammals and other creatures who have evolved to have similar behaviors to humans, are good parents, and even have some apparent level of moral awareness, and who conclude from that fundamental moral belief that it is actually immoral to kill and eat them. Where in the chain of moral reasoning does that fail?

If we eat meat, we do so because we want to, and either disregard that chain of moral reasoning, or are deliberately choosing to be immoral in at least one way. I think a lot of hostility towards the very concept of veganism stems from awareness that in at least one respect, our entire society is immoral and based on unjustified cruelty.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I'd like to add to this and say that I don't believe in trophy hunting at all. Even deer is questionable since it's not necessarily about eating the meat. But people who go somewhere to shoot an animal, especially an exotic one in a foreign country, are just trying to feel big about their petty selves. I don't see how an American going to Africa just to shoot lions or giraffes is about preservation either.

Regardless of what the trophy hunter gets out of it and how good those reasons are there is plenty of evidence that money they are willing to pay does help conservation and it's logical why. You can't hunt animals that aren't there so one way or another those need be produced. Most hunters want the full experience of tracking and over coming the animal not just killing so you can't just bring out giraffe in a pen and expect them to be willing pay the big bucks to end it. No you need whole wildlife area and animal populations that can handle humans getting their share of the bounty. This why many active hunters are some of the most active and successful environmental activists and conservationst. They really love the wild, know animal behavior and are willing to put plenty of resources that can be there to be enjoyed again in the future. That doesn't change just because they want hunt beyond their home turf, especially now when hunting isn't exactly in fashion and so isn't that attractive people who want to just show off. So if you want that money and especially if you want to keep that hunting money coming in the future you need to get into that mind set and get preservation going. It's how you have something to sell in the future and those programs are good for marketing too.

 

[MysticMisty]

I think a lot of hostility towards the very concept of veganism stems from awareness that in at least one respect, our entire society is immoral and based on unjustified cruelty.

I don't know. I think a lot of people have a problem with the ones who starve their own pets, or PETA and all the domestic pets they kill every year because they think they're better off dead than our friends.