Modern Web Woes - I'm mad at the internet

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"Your browser is outdated" redirect pages are bullshit.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but these notices and redirects almost seem like they're trying to steer Windows users into using nothing but the new Microsoft Edge browser. I got a "Your browser is outdated" banner browsing a particular site even though I was using the latest version of Waterfox 🤷‍♂️ .
 
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but these notices and redirects almost seem like they're trying to steer Windows users into using nothing but the new Microsoft Edge browser. I got a "Your browser is outdated" banner browsing a particular site even though I was using the latest version of Waterfox 🤷‍♂️ .
Waterfox "Current" reports its User-Agent as Firefox 68 so that's probably why.
 
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Razel

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The current state of the internet can be attributed to many different causes, but the most notable cause is monetization. The largest websites in existence at the moment are corporate-owned and feature heavy usage of advertisements and data collection. Google. Facebook. Twitter. Reddit. Discord. All of them are massive behemoths of companies that take your usage of the website and monetize it. Any "goals" of progressing society, increasing social connectivity, and providing a good experience are kept second to maximizing profits (If they were ever genuine in the first place).
I think this is the largest single shift in the nature of the Internet into what we have today.

Twenty years ago, the internet's primary function was primarily as a tool to facilitate the exchange of communications, ideas, and information. We spoke of the "Information Super Highway", and of smaller businesses and groups having a fair shot at being on equal footing with the big players. The Internet was the way of the future, to be stewarded by the best and brightest among us into a veritable Noocracy. Then came the normies, and the robber-barons with a keen understanding on how to find and exploit this new system by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Now it's an arms race to harvest data, sell products, and advance personal agendas.

We were promised a megamall attached to a Platonic Academy, but instead we ended up with a Walmart Supercenter featuring dry-erase bathroom stalls.

Everyone wants money at this point. Regular idiots saw people make it big on websites like Youtube, and everyone jumped on the boat of producing the same boring mass-produced content created with the sole purpose of raking in as many views as possible. Youtube is surprisingly open with the type of content it allows (Except for the most extreme content and anything related to politics of course), but you rarely see this because everyone is so adamant about keep their videos "monetized" and pleasing their corporate overlords that everything ends up being kid-friendly and bubbly. Does Coca Cola really give a shit if someone uses the word Cunt in a video its featured on as an advertisement? This is censorship.
Normies ruin everything. There's no bandwagon out there that won't snap an axle under the weight of so many bodies, and the predominant mindset is that there are no other options.

And speaking of censorship, its extremely rampant now. On every single mainstream website there is some form of censorship happening. Not always direct deletion censorship mind you, but people in an office controlling the flow of information at the highest level. Changing the weights of millions of twitter messages at once so you can create artificial trends and topics. Faggots think they're "Making the world a better place" and have set up shitty codes of conduct and company values, but this always ends up being malicious and completely fucks with society. You think the people you see on the internet are sane? Do you think they're normal? Most people on the mainstream web could be considered to be mentally ill. Their natural ability to critically think and question has been stifled. Dozens of dopamine circuits have been formed, each linked to a different website and its functions. They put emotion before thought and don't give a second thought to telling someone to literally kill themselves (With true intent, not the insulting Kill Yourself you'd see on 4chan) or ruining their life with slander on social media. Any disgusting they/them "person" on twitter can send an army of equally mentally-ill and retarded followers after anything they want, and it always makes them feel as though they are the most important person in the world, hence the "blue checkmark" meme. These people have unwarranted self-importance. They have nothing to show for themselves in real life, yet in their minds they are gods gift to society.
The entire developed world got online over the course of... what, 5-10 years for the majority of them? They all fell straight into the trap, and got brainwashed by all of this borderline LaVeyan narcissistic self worship propoganda being put out by the new corporate overlords who just so happened to profit by providing services that just so happened to facilitate such behavior. If you sell megaphones for a living, you'll want to try to convince as many people as possible that being loud is good.

Fixing this issue is destroying these companies, and shoving normalfags off of the internet and back into the physical world.
This is true, but sadly I don't see it happening any time soon. It's going to take several generations of this bullshit before those in power grow complacent enough, and those subjected to it get pissed off enough, for massive changes like that to be enstated. At the end of the day, the internet still has that default nature of being an information tool, and (as you noted) the same companies that would need smashed have inserted themselves right in the middle of the conversation.

I believe we are seeing the start of the "new normal," post common access to the internet. Solipsism, reactionary suppression of logic, and the death of civil discourse are all going to be the base line until we reach counter cultural critical mass,

We had a bright future, but... well, to quote Tom Waits; "Who are the ones that we kept in charge? Killers, thieves, and lawyers."

Come to think of it, this makes a pretty good theme song for the modern internet.

 

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Internet tech used to be built out of open protocols. Someone would have an idea of how to get networked computers to do something useful, post a spec, and if hackers thought it was cool, they'd go out and build servers and clients to meet that spec. Everything was open, and every protocol had a bunch of competing implementations that you could choose from.

Nowadays, a tech company writes a proprietary service that they fully control and you interact with it entirely on their terms. These services mostly go over HTTP, because no-one can fix the horror of software distribution on desktop. Running these web services costs a lot, but most companies have found that they can pay their costs (and make a tidy profit) by infesting their users screen with advertising.

The open standards world has likewise become a disaster. The most hyped open alternative to twitter is mastodon, which, as per wikipedia, is written in Ruby on Rails and Javascript. Wtf? I don't want to hear about rubies, rails and javashit. I want to hear about a protocol, and get linked to a library and implementation in my language of choice. If an implementation doesn't exist in my language, point me to the spec so I can start working on one, or otherwise contribute. Same story for things like zeronet.
 

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There's a ubiquitous option available to fulfill any need, and each of them is better funded, more streamlined, more effective, and easier to use than any conscientious alternatives someone would care to build.
It doesn't help when alternatives are labeled like "alt-right"...
 

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These services mostly go over HTTP, because no-one can fix the horror of software distribution on desktop.
I almost consider that a blessing at this point. "BrowserOS" is a containment thread for all that pajeet software from the internet. Imagine if all that stuff was installed right on your desktop.
 
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I almost consider that a blessing at this point. "BrowserOS" is a containment thread for all that pajeet software from the internet. Imagine if all that stuff was installed right on your desktop.
Not really a huge fan of having an entire OS based around a fucking web browser, but I wonder why people think this is a good idea, advertising? more enclosed ecosystem? what could possibly be going through Google's head.
 

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It can be infuriating when one searches for something that can be briefly explained in text, but it seems the only results that show up are TL;DW YouTube videos. Do we really need a 10 minute rambling YouTube video explaining how to turn off JavaScript?
My example of this is when I try to search, “What was the russian operation at Stalingrad called?” And you’d think I’d get the name operation Uranus and a brief explanation. I don’t remember what the results where, but I remember it pissing me off.
 

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Yep. Activity pub and things like OStatus are what I care about. Not mastodon. The way they've tried to sell themselves as anything other than a particular protocol implementation is despicable.
The trick there is, the majority of users don't _care_ about protocols, because we did such a good job of building the last of them to make everything hum along seamlessly for the non-engineers/devs/IT.

Keep in mind that:

1. For a social media option to beat out Facebook, Twitter, etc, the alternative has to offer the same benefit of accessibility to other people, meaning you need an installed user base.
2. For most people, social media is social media. At the end of the day, people want to use it to talk to others, share their thoughts, etc.
3. How the backend managed to facilitate that is outside of their realms of both understanding and caring.
4. Many users won't understand the concepts behind AP without first using it.

Many, many FOSS and otherwise Free projects, as well as projects built off of Free tech, have died a quiet death with next to no users thanks to an abundance of technobabble and a lack of user friendlyness. Mastodon stands to be many users' initial introduction to AP, and from there people can be retrained to value their freedoms and personal responsibilities.

TLDR: Mastodon is doing well to play Facebook et al's game and try to rival the appeal of the corporate giants. I think this strategy will serve to bolster Activity Pub's long-term success, by "selling" the implementation rather than the protocol. No protocol finds success unless users know what to do with it, and that's what Mastodon is.

☝ Note: All of this applies specifically to social media. "Think of the normies" is a terrible fucking idea for pretty much anything else, because they ruin damn near everything. I just think social media and normies go together hand in hand by nature, Social media gives them a sandbox to eat crayons in so the rest of us can carry on in peace, and I'm OK with that.
 

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TLDR: Mastodon is doing well to play Facebook et al's game and try to rival the appeal of the corporate giants. I think this strategy will serve to bolster Activity Pub's long-term success, by "selling" the implementation rather than the protocol. No protocol finds success unless users know what to do with it, and that's what Mastodon is.
I am extremely skeptical of this. It is a conglomeration of a decade of trendy web technologies led by a 'benevolent dictator' who is a fan of comics about incest, which is unsurprising given who uses it.

At best, Mastodon can scale to the size of a large fetish community, and I say that intentionally because only the very perverted with no other options would throw enough money at the maintainer of a Mastodon instance to let it grow to a thousand or so active users while staying stable. It's like if Lowtax gave away the SomethingAwful forum software for free, but worse.
The only reason chromeOS exists is so schools can give shitty laptops to students and not have to worry about them downloading fortnite.
I have an older Chromebook. Worked great running ChromeOS. Most things I do I will or can do on the web anyway, If not then RDP or SSH in somewhere. Easy enough to install some basic console-based software too. Great power management, simple configuration. It's out of the upgrade window so moved it over to Devuan.
 

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The trick there is, the majority of users don't _care_ about protocols, because we did such a good job of building the last of them to make everything hum along seamlessly for the non-engineers/devs/IT.
I'm happy for users not to even know about protocols. But developers should, and I wish we could go back to a world where developers cared more about open protocols and making sure their languages and tools have up-to-date implementations, and less about proprietary APIs hosted by ad-revenue companies. Reference implementations which are just boring clones of those proprietary hosted APIs are not a step forward for open source.

ActivityPub is still relatively early days, and I've still got some hope for it. But I don't want it to become synonymous with a SPA twitter clone written in a single language. Getting it onto peertube is a positive step, but it needs to be applied to many more imaginative use-cases than that to be cool. At no point should casual users need to know that they're using it. The power goes to developers who are then able to write cool shit for the end-users that isn't an ad-infested hellscape.
 
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