MTV plans Daria reboot along with other MTV classics - Jane replaced due to whiteness

[Preferred Penne]

Nope. I remember the part very clearly because I think it was Daria making a quip to Trent and then it's referenced not even a minute later because they're stuck in traffic trying to get to a thing Mystic Spiral was gonna perform at but something happens to the van and they end up pulled over on the side of the road.

Okay then. I haven't watched Daria in a while and the Mission Hill scene sticks out more in my head. To be fair, it's a pretty common reference to make.

 

[Mrs Paul]

No one remembers Jodie. She was the token. There was some character development, namely in the TV movie Is It College yet where she doesn't want to act "white" essentially.

And it's so fucking random. A spinoff of a secondary character from a cartoon that's just about 20 years old now? Fuckin' do a Bumblebee Man spinoff from the Simpsons. Or Stuart from Beavis and Butthead.

Just because she's a secondary character doesn't mean it won't be decent. The same could be said of Daria herself. It's more that the show was so old nobody would remember her. Jodie wasn't a bad character, so if they have good writers, it might work. I'm willing to give it a shot. Most of what's on Comedy Central sucks right now.

Jane would be too obvious -- you might as well just start a reboot of Daria. Otherwise, your choices are basically Quinn and the Fashion Club or Brittany and Kevin. Which could also work.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Just because she's a secondary character doesn't mean it won't be decent. The same could be said of Daria herself. It's more that the show was so old nobody would remember her. Jodie wasn't a bad character, so if they have good writers, it might work. I'm willing to give it a shot. Most of what's on Comedy Central sucks right now.

Please die.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Please die.

Who peed in your Cheerios?

 

[afternoon_tea]

Aeon Flux? Loved that show but it was a fucking trip. The Maxx was another one with it's weird shift between the real world and "the Outback".

I loved the Maxx! I got really into the comics after seeing the show and the show barely scratched the surface of weirdness. Sam Kieth is one of my favorite artists, I wouldn't mind a proper reboot of this with a high animation budget to do the art justice, but I'm sure they'd add Current Year woke crap and fuck it up.

Man...I miss the 90s

 

[cactus]

Just because she's a secondary character doesn't mean it won't be decent. The same could be said of Daria herself. It's more that the show was so old nobody would remember her. Jodie wasn't a bad character, so if they have good writers, it might work. I'm willing to give it a shot. Most of what's on Comedy Central sucks right now.

Jane would be too obvious -- you might as well just start a reboot of Daria. Otherwise, your choices are basically Quinn and the Fashion Club or Brittany and Kevin. Which could also work.

You mean a character that was popular would be too obvious? No! Jane had some great moments though, so why not?

Jodie had some characterization, but I honestly don't think she was that interesting besides her telling Daria off about how other people viewed her. Also implying I wouldn't watch a show about the Fashion Club, it's like watching Mean Girls (I remember Stacey almost having a panic attack because she thought her leggings were stretch pants and Sandy had to calm her down).

This is not a response directly to you, but we tend to mock people on this site who suggest that studios should pander to the lesser letters of the ever growing LGBT alphabet soup and that these studios should just be willing to take the loss when it turns out the audience just isn’t there. Likewise, I don’t think there are enough Daria fans to justify that expense, and there are even fewer who either care about the original music or would be willing to buy a set with that music restored. We’re talking a small percent of an already small audience. And though I know the characters would occasionally reference the music playing in the background, it would be hard to argue that the music is as pivotal to the show as, let’s say, the music videos in Beavis and Butt-head, a far more popular series with a much bigger audience that still isn’t large enough to justify the costs of clearing all the music for a home video release. My favorite show is MST3K, which has also had to negotiate rights after the fact for home releases. That show got lucky in that the major studios that own the rights to some of the films they featured (which are more than you’d might expect) eventually settled for what little worth they could get out of them. Music studios have not been as willing to take a smaller check. It sucks, but that’s how it is.

I get what you're saying, but fuck Viacom, they'll live.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

I loved the Maxx! I got really into the comics after seeing the show and the show barely scratched the surface of weirdness. Sam Kieth is one of my favorite artists, I wouldn't mind a proper reboot of this with a high animation budget to do the art justice, but I'm sure they'd add Current Year woke crap and fuck it up.

Man...I miss the 90s

The Maxx was very woke for its time. Sam Keith even credited a feminist consultant for a few of the issues if I remember correctly.

 

[afternoon_tea]

The Maxx was very woke for its time. Sam Keith even credited a feminist consultant for a few of the issues if I remember correctly.

Yeah, it has a lot of references to a lot of feminist writers of the day, I remember Susan Faludi and Naomi Wolf being mentioned. I think of that as being very different from woke media today though. Rather than being a philosophical thread woven through stories it's usually very hamfisted and like it was shoehorned in to fill a quota for right think rather than add to the story and characters.

The 90s definitely had a wave of PC culture, but I can't think of any popular media of that era that's really analogous to the woke media of today. 90s PC culture was a lot more niche though, I'm sure it would have had the same critical mass it has today if something like social media had been around then.

 

[Mrs Paul]

I guess I'm just willing to wait and see what happens. *shrug* YMMV

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Well hopefully they'll come back, someday.

‘Beavis and Butt-Head’ Revival Set At Comedy Central With 2-Season Order, Spinoffs & Specials Planned In Deal With Mike Judge

Beavis and Butt-Head are back, moving from a Gen X to Gen Z world and from MTV to Comedy Central. An expansive deal Comedy Central has inked with series creator Mike Judge and 3 Arts Entertainment …

deadline.com

 

[Trilby]

‘Beavis and Butt-Head’ Revival Set At Comedy Central With 2-Season Order, Spinoffs & Specials Planned In Deal With Mike Judge

Beavis and Butt-Head are back, moving from a Gen X to Gen Z world and from MTV to Comedy Central. An expansive deal Comedy Central has inked with series creator Mike Judge and 3 Arts Entertainment …

deadline.com

Just saw that a few seconds ago! I hope they don't screw Mike Judge over again.

 

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

I'm wondering if Mike Judge didn't give them permission to use the character of Daria so that's why it's just Jodie now.

Judge didn’t create Daria, he was told to put her in Beavis and Butt-Head by MTV as a backdoor pilot situation because they were working on her show and wanted to glom onto the popularity of B&B. Judge just had her inserted into existing scripts in place of random nobodies.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

Judge didn’t create Daria, he was told to put her in Beavis and Butt-Head by MTV as a backdoor pilot situation because they were working on her show and wanted to glom onto the popularity of B&B. Judge just had her inserted into existing scripts in place of random nobodies.

What is the source on that? My understanding is that Judge created the character and was pissed when he found out that MTV was developing a spinoff without his involvement and that the character would have to “move away” and therefore not be available for the rest of Beavis and Butt-head’s run.

 

[Sir Wesley Tailpipe]

What is the source on that? My understanding is that Judge created the character and was pissed when he found out that MTV was developing a spinoff without his involvement and that the character would have to “move away” and therefore not be available for the rest of Beavis and Butt-head’s run.

It was in an interview with Judge in the second issue of Wild Cartoon Kingdom, he and John Kricfalusi kinda interviewed each other, and there was a lot of interesting stuff revealed about Judge’s contract with MTV and how seeing John K get fired from his own show made Judge ensure that MTV couldn’t do shit without him.

Judge has a legally-guaranteed stake in anything involving characters he created, and they can’t be used without his approval in any form of media, and any character he voiced cannot be voiced by anyone else. If he had created Daria, MTV couldn’t have taken her away without basically having to buy her from him. She replaced a generic female classmate in her first few appearances, and then Judge warmed to the character and the main writer for her show and they did a bit more with her, but she wasn’t ever supposed to be a big part of the show, the network wanted her to have a ready-made audience for when her show debuted.

 

[albert chan]

I know I’m late, but I find it more hilarious that out of all the people voicing Jodie for this show is TRACEE ELLIS ROSS, a woman who literally was behind the idea of a show called MIXED-ISH, which was a show that was a spin-off from an ABC show called BLACK-ISH

The real life Tracee Ellis-Ross is somewhat of a wild woman, if you actually take a look at how she
operates.

If you take a look at Jodie’s character and what she looks like in Daria,


and compare her to the real life actress,


I think this is just mere proof that they’re going to turn her into the girl that doesn’t want to be defined as the background character who was a black girl who happens to smart and attractive, to another pandering, wishy-washy girl who’s only personality revolves around her skin color with nothing noteworthy to back it up.

Just so she could be a main character that will literally force herself to try too hard to be in Daria’s shadow.

 

[EveyDwyer]

It was in an interview with Judge in the second issue of Wild Cartoon Kingdom, he and John Kricfalusi kinda interviewed each other, and there was a lot of interesting stuff revealed about Judge’s contract with MTV and how seeing John K get fired from his own show made Judge ensure that MTV couldn’t do shit without him.

Judge has a legally-guaranteed stake in anything involving characters he created, and they can’t be used without his approval in any form of media, and any character he voiced cannot be voiced by anyone else. If he had created Daria, MTV couldn’t have taken her away without basically having to buy her from him. She replaced a generic female classmate in her first few appearances, and then Judge warmed to the character and the main writer for her show and they did a bit more with her, but she wasn’t ever supposed to be a big part of the show, the network wanted her to have a ready-made audience for when her show debuted.

Wow, I never knew that. I'm guessing she was cut because they want Jodie to be front and center. They would do best to avoid using You're Standing on My neck as the theme in this one.

 

[murdered meat bag]

Yeah, it has a lot of references to a lot of feminist writers of the day, I remember Susan Faludi and Naomi Wolf being mentioned. I think of that as being very different from woke media today though. Rather than being a philosophical thread woven through stories it's usually very hamfisted and like it was shoehorned in to fill a quota for right think rather than add to the story and characters.

The 90s definitely had a wave of PC culture, but I can't think of any popular media of that era that's really analogous to the woke media of today. 90s PC culture was a lot more niche though, I'm sure it would have had the same critical mass it has today if something like social media had been around then.

i mean the premise revolves around a family friend raping the daughter and all the ways that breaks up relations, its an actually story that involves feminism. the animation being close to the comics was a+ too. it would a great netflix show.

daria otoh? i dont think it would translate as much.