MUH MENTALS: In which we sperg about whether Amber is the product of a traumatic upbringing or just a natural born cunt -

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People keep telling Amber what to eat so she doesn't feel hungry as quickly. This bitch hasn't been hungry in years. She admitted that she doesn't eat because of physical hunger even though she always tells us she's starving.

Amber has, like many people who overeat, emotional hunger. Her body may not be starving, but her soul is.
 

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Amber has, like many people who overeat, emotional hunger. Her body may not be starving, but her soul is.
Also, if she were in any way attractive and not gag-inducingly hideous, she'd use sex to metaphorically and physically fill her deep, gaping hole. Instead, she has to settle for Becky [shudders] who is a zero even for a Kentucky lesbian.
 

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Also, if she were in any way attractive and not gag-inducingly hideous, she'd use sex to metaphorically and physically fill her deep, gaping hole. Instead, she has to settle for Becky [shudders] who is a zero even for a Kentucky lesbian.
I think that's a good thing though cause her fat protects her from what are sure to be extremely chaotic toxic and abusive interactions with a whole bunch of people as she progresses down the sex/love addiction path. Instead she has "sex and love anorexia" which is actually a term that is coined in the sex and love addict literature and her drives are inflated for food and merchandise where she is all about quick consumption and then having to get the next fix with bolth rather than truly satisfying her inner needs.

Only having real therapy with somebody that can guide her to insight and keep tabs on her making changes in real life and confronting her on her lies when she says she's done it and has it can help her. If she chose to be brave, she could have whole second life after the first shitty one and it would amaze her how much better it is. But if she keeps stalling and not taking action and focusing on only weight loss and not curing the core wound from abandonment, neglect, violence, and abuse, then she will die young and never really truly happy without ever I knowing how good life can really be.

Unfortunately, recovery isn't there for people that need it, it's there for people that want it, and they must want it enough to confront a huge shit pile. She's been given everything she needs, she just needs to get reading and make an appt with a therapist. I think she should try to work with the lady in Abby's video about the eating issues but she also should have a trauma informed therapist as well or join Adult Children of Alcoholics (and all dysfunctional families, they are all the same it doesn't matter what the family sickness is.)

Mental illness isn't the person's fault, but it IS their responsibility to take care of it.
 
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I think that's a good thing though cause her fat protects her from what are sure to be extremely chaotic toxic and abusive interactions with a whole bunch of people as she progresses down the sex/love addiction path.
Every relationship Amber is in is toxic just by virtue of having Amber in it. I don't see how being 600lbs and a virgin is better than being a healthy weight and a slut, really.
 

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I think that's a good thing though cause her fat protects her from what are sure to be extremely chaotic toxic and abusive interactions with a whole bunch of people as she progresses down the sex/love addiction path. Instead she has "sex and love anorexia" which is actually a term that is coined in the sex and love addict literature and her drives are inflated for food and merchandise where she is all about quick consumption and then having to get the next fix with bolth rather than truly satisfying her inner needs.

Only having real therapy with somebody that can guide her to insight and keep tabs on her making changes in real life and confronting her on her lies when she says she's done it and has it can help her. If she chose to be brave, she could have whole second life after the first shitty one and it would amaze her how much better it is. But if she keeps stalling and not taking action and focusing on only weight loss and not curing the core wound from abandonment, neglect, violence, and abuse, then she will die young and never really truly happy without ever I knowing how good life can really be.

Unfortunately, recovery isn't there for people that need it, it's there for people that want it, and they must want it enough to confront a huge shit pile. She's been given everything she needs, she just needs to get reading and make an appt with a therapist. I think she should try to work with the lady in Abby's video about the eating issues but she also should have a trauma informed therapist as well or join Adult Children of Alcoholics (and all dysfunctional families, they are all the same it doesn't matter what the family sickness is.)

Mental illness isn't the person's fault, but it IS their responsibility to take care of it.
She's a fat retard that will do none of these things.
 

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The core wound from violence and abuse?

You really believe all the woe-is-me bullshit she's told her audience? Anyone who has had a turbulent and abusive upbringing would not act the way she currently does and always has. She's proud to bare all for over 100,000 strangers when it means getting attention and money.

She's not hiding away from being told the truth. She doesn't fucking care because if she attempted to get help she'd be receiving treatment for issues she does not have. Trauma? That she consistently brags about and contradicts depending on which video she's filming.

Abuse? That she dangles in front of her audience in the hopes they will assume the worst and beg for her to tell them about it? Her depression and anxiety? They don't get in the way of her silly shopping trips, embarrassing hauls and family/friend parties.
I'm not even MOTI, I think it's ridiculous that anyone is giving her the benefit of the doubt.

She 100% knows exactly what she is doing, every move she makes is calculated. The people who start going ''oh she's just a damaged person, that's what's wrong with her'' are playing right into her pudgy hands.
She's so bloody manipulative her own family outed her for being a spoilt pig, that's not something an innocent girl with so much trauma (due to all this abuuuuuuuse) would do, is it?

Amber is greedy, nasty and obviously a compulsive liar. That's about as deep as it gets. Show me another person who has actually gone through these terrible things and has ended up like her?

E - I wish people would stop giving her the mental illness pass. That's what she's been after the whole time.
 

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Show me another person who has actually gone through these terrible things and has ended up like her?

I can't show you anybody like Amber that isn't already featured on this website, but I certainly know people who had terrible upbringings who ended up as terrible people. And people with terrible upbringings who ended up great, and people with great upbringings who ended up terrible. Nothing is certain. She could be lying her ass off, but we know she DID grow up in foster care, so it's not beyond belief that some shitty things may have happened to her. Just experiencing a family disruption can be traumatic enough to fuck some people up. It's what you make of that fucked-upness that counts.

I don't have any reason to disbelieve her abuse claims. You can have a terrible childhood and ALSO be a greedy narcissist. They aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that she and potentially others uses her alleged abuse as an excuse to treat others poorly, and (arguably) worse, not help herself get better.
 

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This issue with her foster care upbringing is she's stated multiple times how she was with loving people and still talks to them. Those were words from her own mouth. She was spoilt by these people with trips to Disneyland and shit.

She's also spoke about having things like pet snakes and chicks, riding bikes and family dinners when she was at home in the trailer park, I wanna know where this window of abuse and neglect is? I don't mean the transition from her parents care to the foster system because she's made it seem like that was a speedy process.

Her childhood trauma stories have all changed over time.

It's all shits and giggles when ''trauma'' is brought up by ALR. She fucking smirks, it's not normal.

I also don't think someone who has been hurt as a child would lick the arses of people like Amy Ramadan. None of it makes sense.
 

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I don't meant to defend Amber, and I don't know either way whether her abuse claims are real or not. I have no reason to belief OR disbelieve them.

But it's a little naive to think things like pets, trips to Disneyland, etc can't also exist alongside abuse, especially sexual abuse. Or that "spoiling" can't be alongside, or even part of, abuse. It's entirely possible for "my parents were very loving" and "my parents were abusive" to both be true at the same time. Family abuse is complicated.

Regarding still talking to her foster parents: So what? I know someone (an admittedly fucked up person) who still talks to their abusive foster parents. And I know people who still talk to their abusive bio parents. It's meaningless. You're expecting rational behaviour from someone who is irrational on every level that she's shown us. And comparing her a hypothetical rational person, when few people on earth are rational to begin with.

And the "speedy transition" from bio to foster homes; again, so what? It doesn't matter how fast a transition is, it can still be traumatic. (I'm not saying it 100% was for her, I'm saying it CAN be. Trauma is different for everyone. Two people can be in the exact same car crash with the exact same injuries, and one can walk away mentally scarred while the other isn't remotely affected. Neither are more rational or right. They're just humans who are different.)

Her childhood trauma stories have all changed over time.

It's all shits and giggles when ''trauma'' is brought up by ALR. She fucking smirks, it's not normal.

I also don't think someone who has been hurt as a child would lick the arses of people like Amy Ramadan. None of it makes sense.

The only good point here is that her stories change. That's the only thing in this mess that points towards falsehood. With Lying Al, sure, it's definitely part of her pattern of lying about every other damn thing. But while I would expect some consistency in another abused person, I wouldn't expect perfect memory. Nobody has perfect memory.

I also agree that her smirking is not normal-- but it could be not normal because it's Amber and she loves attention, not because it's Amber and there's way she could have been abused. Again, these things are not mutually exclusive.

I also think, given my experiences, that some people who were abused would be MORE likely to kiss ass for people like Amy Ramadan, if she sees something of herself in Amy or if Amy pings something in her that she wants to please. However, since Amber is not a normal person, I think it's pointless to try to compare this to the ideal behaviour of a normal person who was abused. That ideal behaviour is non-existent anyway, since everybody deals with it differently.

Anyways I won't shit up the thread about it anymore, because none of it proves or disproves anything about Amber. It's irrelevant anyway, because if it is true, it doesn't excuse her behaviour, and if she's lying, that's hardly a surprise. But people here bring out some extremely flimsy "proof" that she wasn't abused. Sure, she lies. Sure, she makes up excuses for her shitty behaviour. Those two points just show that there are PLENTY of things to criticize Amber about without making up arbitrary metrics of deciding whether abuse claims are true.

This whole shitshow is just honeybooboo and co without the TLC spin and PR.
White trailer trash people with too much money. The whole lot of them. We have to stop treating them like they arent, and that theres somehow someone to pity in there.

I mean, is anyone here showing her pity, lol? Just because someone recognizes that a person may have been abused as a child doesn't mean they automatically pity that person in their adult form. That would be a pretty superficial worldview. Though I suppose it's the attitude that allows people like Amber to live absolutely grotesque lives and then blame it all on vague trauma, as if everybody else doesn't have trauma in their lives.
 
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This issue with her foster care upbringing is she's stated multiple times how she was with loving people and still talks to them. Those were words from her own mouth. She was spoilt by these people with trips to Disneyland and shit.

She's also spoke about having things like pet snakes and chicks, riding bikes and family dinners when she was at home in the trailer park, I wanna know where this window of abuse and neglect is? I don't mean the transition from her parents care to the foster system because she's made it seem like that was a speedy process.

Her childhood trauma stories have all changed over time.

It's all shits and giggles when ''trauma'' is brought up by ALR. She fucking smirks, it's not normal.

I also don't think someone who has been hurt as a child would lick the arses of people like Amy Ramadan. None of it makes sense.
She mentioned the chick and snake once. The snake was probably a garter snake she found in the backyard and the chick was probably a bird she saw. She went on about loving snakes but seriously, when had she mentioned them before? She hasn’t mentioned her foster families in a while, hasn’t mentioned gifts for them, hearing from them when she had cancer.... She just makes shit up that she wants to be true.

This is going to be extremely mean but Amber was a fat, stupid and neglected child who had shitty parents and then was thrown into foster care. It would be more shocking if she wasn’t molested. The fact that she vaguely uses that to excuse her awful behaviour is beyond disgusting but Amber is both physically and mentally, a disgusting person.

Edit: as for Amber defending Amy, Amy suits Amber’s narrative that we’re all fatphobic haters. The only way she would turn on Amy or take more notice would be of Amy surpassed her in sub count.
 

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This is an interesting discussion. Points all taken with notes. But I'm still of the opinion change comes from within. No PL, but having a shitty life as a child only made me more determined to put it behind me and succeed as an adult.

At some point, you let that shit go, give yersef a good swift kick in the ass, and set realistic goals for yersef and the life you WANT, not the one you feel the excuses have robbed you of.

Adulthood comes. It's up to you to decide what's important in your life and fucking go get it. Whining about how hard you had it and your mentulz don't buy a single iota of being an adult. And she's not, she's stuck at maybe 14 years old mentally and will never move beyond that.

I could on here forever. But instead, I'll just say this...

Merry Christmas Amber. I hope you figure it all out in 2021.
 

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People should be skeptical of anything Amber says. However. Implying that being thrown into the foster care system at the age of 7 and witnessing a sibling being given away because one's parents loved drugs more than them is not traumatizing nor should it have any lasting psychological effects makes that person either a) worse than Amber or b) dumber than Amber. Choose whichever makes you feel best. Or worst.

As far as her canoodling with Amy Ramadan, I think there may be a few things at play. Amber may not be at all aware that Amy is an actual child abuser, and if she is, it is more than likely that she has dismissed it out of hand as a spurious rumor generated by haydurs who are probably just jealous, because aren't they all? That's the laziest explanation Amber could possibly come up with, and always attribute anything a deathfat does/doesn't do to aggressive laziness.
 

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People should be skeptical of anything Amber says. However. Implying that being thrown into the foster care system at the age of 7 and witnessing a sibling being given away because one's parents loved drugs more than them is not traumatizing nor should it have any lasting psychological effects makes that person either a) worse than Amber or b) dumber than Amber. Choose whichever makes you feel best. Or worst.

Permit me to clarify: I do not believe the depth of trauma she claims exists. Is it traumatizing to be taken away from a shit parent? In 99% of the cases, sure. But many kids entering the system don't land with foster parents they continue to talk to post-foster care. Keep in mind that Big Al is a terribly shallow person, is a narc, and loves to play victim. Of course she's going to play up "muh trauma", and she probably found that the people most sympathetic to her - "Oh, your poor thing!" - were the easiest way to a) continue to tell herself just how hellish her childhood was and what a victim she was, when by all accounts, including the things she herself has said, it wasn't as dire as some people think, and b) enabled her to use the innate manipulative ability that narcs possess to get what she wanted/wants. People who are severely traumatized are not generally talking about it virtually every time they need a way out or through some bullshit drama they've created themselves. Why do you think things like rapes and PTSD are underreported? Now, you can certainly think of me whatever you like, and will. But I do not buy the bullshit she's selling that her experience was somehow this Dickensian nightmare.


As far as her canoodling with Amy Ramadan, I think there may be a few things at play. Amber may not be at all aware that Amy is an actual child abuser, and if she is, it is more than likely that she has dismissed it out of hand as a spurious rumor generated by haydurs who are probably just jealous, because aren't they all? That's the laziest explanation Amber could possibly come up with, and always attribute anything a deathfat does/doesn't do to aggressive laziness.

And this is another reason I don't buy it. Yes, we can attribute generic laziness to Big Al, but someone with really deep-seated, unresolved traumatic experience watching Amy's crap? Nope. I'm not buying it.
 

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And this is another reason I don't buy it. Yes, we can attribute generic laziness to Big Al, but someone with really deep-seated, unresolved traumatic experience watching Amy's crap? Nope. I'm not buying it.

IDK. Some rape survivors like rape porn. People are strange and, for the most part, maladjusted.

I actually agree 100% with your first paragraph, I just think it's possible that both things are true. She could have been abused AND a lying narc who loves attention. And I certainly think she has unresolved trauma, or else she wouldn't be 600 pounds.

I mean, I could be wrong, I'm certainly not an expert. I don't think being a narc alone gets you to 600 pounds, I think it just keeps you there.
 

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And this is another reason I don't buy it. Yes, we can attribute generic laziness to Big Al, but someone with really deep-seated, unresolved traumatic experience watching Amy's crap? Nope. I'm not buying it.
Amber is unaware of anything that doesn't directly affect her or in some way serve her. Acknowledging Amy's existence serves Amber. Amber is not aware of Amy's "crap."

>I'm fat and damaged because of my foster care trauma
>Amy is fat and damaged because of her foster care trauma
>I'm literally the best person in the world and people only hate me because I'm fat
>Therefore, people only hate Amy because she's fat, which means she must be a great person

Amber is a lot of terrible shit, but, I honestly believe if she were aware that Amy was an actual, verified, caught on tape child abuser, she would disassociate herself from her... because it would serve Amber to do so.

But, again, awareness requires work. Amber is lazy. Being anything other than lazy does not serve Amber.
 

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IDK. Some rape survivors like rape porn. People are strange and, for the most part, maladjusted.

I actually agree 100% with your first paragraph, I just think it's possible that both things are true. She could have been abused AND a lying narc who loves attention. And I certainly think she has unresolved trauma, or else she wouldn't be 600 pounds.

I mean, I could be wrong, I'm certainly not an expert. I don't think being a narc alone gets you to 600 pounds, I think it just keeps you there.
She definitely has unresolved trauma. It’s almost text book from My 600lb Life. At least in every episode that I’ve ever watched.
Whatever that trauma is, we’ll never know because I think Amber has done so many mental gymnastics within her own brain even she doesn’t remember the whole truth anymore.

Anyway, Merry Christmas you beautiful bastards. 🎄
 

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The core wound from violence and abuse?

You really believe all the woe-is-me bullshit she's told her audience? Anyone who has had a turbulent and abusive upbringing would not act the way she currently does and always has. She's proud to bare all for over 100,000 strangers when it means getting attention and money.

She's not hiding away from being told the truth. She doesn't fucking care because if she attempted to get help she'd be receiving treatment for issues she does not have. Trauma? That she consistently brags about and contradicts depending on which video she's filming.

Abuse? That she dangles in front of her audience in the hopes they will assume the worst and beg for her to tell them about it? Her depression and anxiety? They don't get in the way of her silly shopping trips, embarrassing hauls and family/friend parties.
I'm not even MOTI, I think it's ridiculous that anyone is giving her the benefit of the doubt.

She 100% knows exactly what she is doing, every move she makes is calculated. The people who start going ''oh she's just a damaged person, that's what's wrong with her'' are playing right into her pudgy hands.
She's so bloody manipulative her own family outed her for being a spoilt pig, that's not something an innocent girl with so much trauma (due to all this abuuuuuuuse) would do, is it?

Amber is greedy, nasty and obviously a compulsive liar. That's about as deep as it gets. Show me another person who has actually gone through these terrible things and has ended up like her?

E - I wish people would stop giving her the mental illness pass. That's what she's been after the whole time.
Jesus Christ... It can be, and usually is a case of both what you’re sperging about AND the post you replied to. Show you one example of people who had stuff like that happen to them who turned out to be a shit person? What? Have you ever watched an episode of my 600lb life? Ever met an addict? Ever heard of abusive people who learned the behavior from their parents? Child molesters who were victimized as children? Like what the fuck are you even talking about lol?

Why can’t Amber have valid mental illness and trauma? Because you don’t like the way she turned out? Retarded. None of us like the way she turned out or we wouldn’t be here shitting on her daily. None of that changes the fact that she was raised by neglectful, white trash meth heads and shitty foster parents. Her growing up to be a useless sack of shit on YouTube doesn’t change how trauma or mental illness work.

If anything, acknowledging what she has been through and how that affects people only validates what you’re saying more. She probably was abused, she probably does have depression and anxiety, she probably does have trauma... and that makes the fact that she sits on her shelf ass to shill in front of a camera pretending to want to change EVEN WORSE than it would be if she was just making all this shit up.

I genuinely don’t get the point of your comment. You said you’re not MOTI but it sure as shit sounds like you are. Some people are pragmatic enough to realize that Amber having trauma/mental illness and being a lazy, fat, obnoxious and exploitative cunt aren’t mutually exclusive. That doesn’t mean we’re getting shafted by some illiterate land whale, it just means that some people have enough brain power to understand that the world is more nuanced than top hat rants on kiwi farms. And this doesn’t even just specifically apply to Amber, just... in general, that’s not how things work.

I’ll take all you top hats and shove em right up my ass because goddamn. Wow. Ice cold take.
 
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and shitty foster parents.
Except she has said, and Aunt Tammy confirmed, that the foster family was quite kind to her, and even tried to help get her weight under control. I find it difficult that she would (as she claims) continue to keep in touch with them otherwise (which may itself be a lie, who knows)

The rest - well, while there may be something there, it simply does not, IMO, reach the heights she claims it does.

 

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