Law Nancy Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry over President Trump's Ukraine phone call -

Is Trump impeachment immanent?

  • Yes, unless he stonewalls like the CRIMINAL he is

    Votes: 17 8.9%
  • No, and no amount of thriller fiction and blubbering from Vox will change that

    Votes: 160 83.3%
  • I don't know/I'm not sure

    Votes: 15 7.8%

  • Total voters
    192

MembersSchoolPizza

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There's something pernicious about the guy who can afford to optimize his life to be as green as possible choosing instead to use his money and influence to buy political influence and then hit the working class with a "carbon tax" that he doesn't have to pay, or can dodge most of the liability through legal loopholes while writing books about what an enlightened steward of the planet he is.

Like, you almost wonder, does he not realize most people can't afford to buy a hybrid car and an acre of solar panels tomorrow, or do they simply not care?
Yeah, seriously. It's like... "You have a heated swimming pool that uses more energy in one year than my entire household does in six. But somehow I'm the problem, because I choose to live outside the city and drive in, rather than living in a fucking cubicle apartment and taking the Standing Room Only Express to work? Go fuck yourself straight to hell, sir."
 

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Yeah, seriously. It's like... "You have a heated swimming pool that uses more energy in one year than my entire household does in six. But somehow I'm the problem, because I choose to live outside the city and drive in, rather than living in a fucking cubicle apartment and taking the Standing Room Only Express to work? Go fuck yourself straight to hell, sir."
Live in the pods, eat the bugs

GloboHomo demands it

You must sacrifice so a bunch of wetbacks, sandniggers and dindus can be put on welfare; your country must sacrifice so a bunch of shithole countries can be given constant bailouts and a bunch of socialist European countries can avoid having to pay for NATO.

Dreaming of anything better than you and your country being used as life support for the entire fucking second and third world is fascist capitalist white supremacy nationalism. If you reject the ritual humiliation, you will get the hose again.

By the way, don't forget to stop by the pharmacy and get your son -- sorry, your daughter, according to the Cultural Marxist shrink at her school's 30 minute therapy session -- the pills that will sterilize him and make him into some sort of hideous androgynous xie-creature.

No, you weren't asked, but if you refuse that's child abuse and we'll put you in jail. And if that happens, boy howdy, you aren't going to like what we'll do to your other kids.
 
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Gun control has ALWAYS been the corner stone of leftist agenda. Guns are equalizer/force multiplier and that is not acceptable in a country where "proletariat majority" must dictates its will to minorities in the name of greater good. The "oppressors" are always fewer in number and can not be effectively controlled or persecuted if they are armed.
Of course, just like the Nazis were heavily anti-gun too. I'm just saying, in theory, leftists should be following Marx's words and be big on working class gun ownership. But I've seen tons of them fall in line with Beto and the rest's gun confiscation plans. It was to show that not only are these candidates not leftist, tons of the "true leftists" supporting them aren't either. They'd end up just as authoritarian and power hungry as the USSR, China and Cuba did.
 

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I'm going to spend awhile cleaning up the thread--again-- but I really, really don't want to see the thread locked because this is still an ongoing ordeal, even if they can't seem to muster up the nerve to actually hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. I know for a fact that if the thread gets locked, one of them is going to do something stupid that will make it open back up again in a day or two.

Edit: On second thought, I'd practically have to delete the last four or five pages. Just try to keep it on-topic because holy crap I don't want to just purge out pages of discussions.
 

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I'm going to spend awhile cleaning up the thread--again-- but I really, really don't want to see the thread locked because this is still an ongoing ordeal, even if they can't seem to muster up the nerve to actually hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. I know for a fact that if the thread gets locked, one of them is going to do something stupid that will make it open back up again in a day or two.

Edit: On second thought, I'd practically have to delete the last four or five pages. Just try to keep it on-topic because holy crap I don't want to just purge out pages of discussions.
Fair point. This thread needs to stay open for a reason. The fact that Pelosi even entertained the idea of impeachment is a big deal and a complete 180 from her previous stances.

I really should do my part and lay off the sperging over communism and Ashy's idiocy.
 

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I'm going to spend awhile cleaning up the thread--again-- but I really, really don't want to see the thread locked because this is still an ongoing ordeal, even if they can't seem to muster up the nerve to actually hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry. I know for a fact that if the thread gets locked, one of them is going to do something stupid that will make it open back up again in a day or two.

Edit: On second thought, I'd practically have to delete the last four or five pages. Just try to keep it on-topic because holy crap I don't want to just purge out pages of discussions.
Well to stay on topic...
Is Pelosi gonna nut up and let the vote happen, and fail, when they get back from recess or is she going to just let this fade away?
Common sense argues for the latter, or just not doing this charade in the first place, but the sheer rabidness of The Squad and the TDS crowd suggests the former.
Or is this a pitiful attempt to create a "Hillary's Emails" for Trump that they can keep going for 13 months?
That would be pathetic because Trump did what he does best and sucker punched and defused the narrative already but the Dems have proved themselves particularly inept at IRL Gay Ops so who knows what they'll do.
 

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Well to stay on topic...
Is Pelosi gonna nut up and let the vote happen, and fail, when they get back from recess or is she going to just let this fade away?
Common sense argues for the latter, or just not doing this charade in the first place, but the sheer rabidness of The Squad and the TDS crowd suggests the former.
Or is this a pitiful attempt to create a "Hillary's Emails" for Trump that they can keep going for 13 months?
That would be pathetic because Trump did what he does best and sucker punched and defused the narrative already but the Dems have proved themselves particularly inept at IRL Gay Ops so who knows what they'll do.
After the last few weeks I am firmly in the camp that the Legacy DNC is doing this to weed out the Socjus tards. It's one of those theories that just really stand out.
Most voters hate them, so it would be stupid tokeep them. Why not let them hang themselves? Hell, maybe AoC and her ilk may try to make their own party. It would let the DNC rebrand and try to rebuild their scorched reputation.
 

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Both Kiriakou and Taibbi align their head-spaces. Kiriakou gives backstory on the idea of a CIA whistleblower being ludicrous:


If he’s a whistleblower, and not a CIA plant whose task it is to take down the president, then his career is probably over. Intelligence agencies only pay lip service to whistleblowing. A potential whistleblower is supposed to go through the chain of command as the current whistleblower did. If an employee has evidence of waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety, he is supposed to go to the Inspector General. The IG, then is supposed to go to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). And when the DNI investigates and finds the complaint credible, he then takes it to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. That sounds straightforward, but it’s not.
The second thing that interests me is the officer’s hiring of Mark Zaid to represent him, rather than one of more than a dozen A-list national security attorneys at three or four major law firms in Washington. Zaid is literally the worst possible choice for any whistleblower in national security. Zaid briefly represented CIA whistleblower Jeffrey Sterling, who was accused of leaking classified information to The New York Times’ James Risen. But while the FBI was looking at three different people as Risen’s possible source, Zaid sent a letter to the FBI saying, “I think my client is guilty.” The FBI dropped the other two investigations and focused only on Sterling, who went to trial, consistently protested his innocence, was convicted, and spent three-and-a-half years in prison.

Zaid briefly represented me in 2007, immediately after I blew the whistle. But I fired him after two weeks because he was impulsive, unnecessarily confrontational and untrustworthy. Four years later, he was representing Matthew Cole, the “journalist” who was secretly working for the Guantanamo defense attorneys, the man who ratted me out to the FBI, which led to my arrest and to two years in prison. Cole told the FBI that I was his source who told him the name of a CIA officer involved in the torture program.
Taibbi explains whats happened to pretty much every whistleblower before this one (these two, I assume he wrote this right before the 2nd one arrived):

In this century we’ve lived through a president lying to get us into a war (that caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and the loss of trillions in public treasure), the deployment of a vast illegal surveillance program, a drone assassination campaign, rendition, torture, extralegal detention, and other offenses, many of them mass human rights violations.

We had whistleblowers telling us about nearly all of these things. When they came forward, they desperately needed society’s help. They didn’t get it. Our government didn’t just tweet threats at them, but proceeded straight to punishment.

Bill Binney, who lost both his legs to diabetes, was dragged out of his shower by FBI agents. Jeffrey Sterling, like Kiriakou, was charged with espionage for talking to a reporter. After conviction, he asked to be imprisoned near his wife in St. Louis. They sent him to Colorado for two years. Others tried to talk to congress or their Inspectors General, only to find out their communications had been captured and cc’ed to the very agency chiefs they wanted to complain about (including former CIA chief and current MSNBC contributor John Brennan).

The current “scandal” is a caricature version of such episodes. Imagine the mania on the airwaves if Donald Trump were to have his Justice Department arrest the “whistleblower” and charge him with 35 years of offenses, as Thomas Drake faced. Trump incidentally still might try something like this. It’s what any autocrat of the Mobute Sese Seko/Enver Hoxha school would do, for starters, to mutinying intelligence officials within his own government.

Trump almost certainly is not going to do that, however, as the man is too dumb to realize he’s the titular commander of an executive branch that has been jailing people for talking too much for over a decade. On the off chance that he does try it, don’t hold your breath waiting for news networks to tell you he’s just following an established pattern.
It's beginning to look a lot like palace coup.
 

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Taibbi explains whats happened to pretty much every whistleblower before this one (these two, I assume he wrote this right before the 2nd one arrived):

Trump almost certainly is not going to do that, however, as the man is too dumb to realize he’s the titular commander of an executive branch that has been jailing people for talking too much for over a decade. On the off chance that he does try it, don’t hold your breath waiting for news networks to tell you he’s just following an established pattern.
Or maybe, just maybe, he's not "too dumb" but "too ethical" to do it. Or doesn't believe in acting like the left's precious King Dindu did.

But yeah, she's basically pointing out that Clinton or Obama would have fucking DESTROYED this "whistleblower" by now, but their hot take is that Tump is just too stupid to be a tyrant. JFC.

After the last few weeks I am firmly in the camp that the Legacy DNC is doing this to weed out the Socjus tards. It's one of those theories that just really stand out.
Most voters hate them, so it would be stupid tokeep them. Why not let them hang themselves? Hell, maybe AoC and her ilk may try to make their own party. It would let the DNC rebrand and try to rebuild their scorched reputation.
If the left fractures, the left is out of political power on a national scale for the next 10 to 20 years, minimum.

Pelosi knows it. AOC knows it. The DNC line members know it. The DSA and their front the Justice Democrats know it -- and are counting on it.

The stance is going to be if the establishment left is going to be willing to let go of the reigns of power long enough to drag AOC and the Squad behind the woodshed and put them down like the commie spergs they are. The Progressives (Socialist / Communists) are counting on them not daring to do so until it's too late, and people like Pelosi can be primaried by some young radical DSA type that will sit in the seat for 40-50 years pushing the country as far left as humanly possible.

Will AOC et all be primaried? Hopefully. Because if that fails, the left has a big fucking problem.
 
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If, as seems likely, the impeachment hearing crashes and burns - who loses, in the DNC?

Is it going to be the Squad and their ilk? Is it going to be the old guard big-shots? Or is it going to be the rank-and-file of the DNC?

I mean, maybe everyone loses, to some extent, but who loses most? And if so, is that a clue as to who is behind the current crop of madness? Who is trying to knife who in the back?
 

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I know everyone is sure this is some 4D chess move on Pelosi's part to get rid of the squad but I don't buy it. This is like trying to solve your termite problem with a flamethrower, it's overkill and there's no way to control who gets burned. Add in that Schiff is the only one who has really came out of this looking bad, the squad has been pretty untouched.

I'm not sure what the actual play here is but I think assuming that Pelosi's loyalty to party takes precedence over her own self interest would be a mistake.
 

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I know everyone is sure this is some 4D chess move on Pelosi's part to get rid of the squad but I don't buy it. This is like trying to solve your termite problem with a flamethrower, it's overkill and there's no way to control who gets burned. Add in that Schiff is the only one who has really came out of this looking bad, the squad has been pretty untouched.

I'm not sure what the actual play here is but I think assuming that Pelosi's loyalty to party takes precedence over her own self interest would be a mistake.
Step 1: Initiate an impeachment inquiry near the end of Trump’s term.
Step 2: Go through all the motions save actually establishing it as a legal impeachment proceeding.
Step 3: After a time of outrage and pantomime, say you do not feel there is enough evidence to warrant official impeachment proceedings.
Step 4: Let The Squad chimp out and rage to the entire country about how HE CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT, bounce and squeak, etc.
Step 5: The Squad gets primaried out of power next cycle due to distaste over their dipshit actions.

Biggest risk of this gamble is essentially telling Trump and his administration that they can just say no every time and get away with things, and have a rough next year especially if we run into a situation where the White House does need to legally comply with something, but they toss a tantrum and refuse.

Probably worth it to Pelosi to get rid of the baboons and clean things up.
 
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I know everyone is sure this is some 4D chess move on Pelosi's part to get rid of the squad but I don't buy it. This is like trying to solve your termite problem with a flamethrower, it's overkill and there's no way to control who gets burned. Add in that Schiff is the only one who has really came out of this looking bad, the squad has been pretty untouched.

I'm not sure what the actual play here is but I think assuming that Pelosi's loyalty to party takes precedence over her own self interest would be a mistake.
True, but what does Pelosi have to gain from impeaching Trump aside from shutting up The Squad and their followers? If this is about Pelosi's own self-interest and not about trying to keep party cohesion, then how does this drama help Pelosi on a personal level in any way?

My guess is that Pelosi was trying to shut The Squad up while the DNC finds a way to kick out the Justice Democrats and any potential dead weight guys like Adam Schiff.

Right now, Schiff is getting the brunt of the backlash and AOC is being uncharacteristically smart by trying to stay out of the whole thing as much as she can. Maybe she knows that The Squad are the next ones on the chopping block after Schiff if this impeachment fiasco goes badly enough for the Democrats? The fact that some nobody decided to primary AOC around the same time as Pelosi started talking impeachment is also a very weird coincidence to say the least.

I'm not saying it's a 4D Chess master plan on Pelosi's part. If anything, I'd say this is more of a Hail Mary pass for her.
 
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At this point, assuming that any politician, Trump, Pelosi or otherwise, is some master of intrigue and subterfuge and is pulling strings to make all the puppets dance in some sort of Machiavellian 4D chess game is probably pretty fucking exceptional.

I highly doubt Pelosi has some master, overarching plan here. She’s likely winging it as she goes, like the rest of them do, except the stakes for the DNC as a course of her fucking it up are much higher.
 
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