Netflix's Lucifer -

[Dante Alighieri]

The series focuses on Lucifer Morningstar (Tom Ellis), a beautiful and powerful angel who was cast out of Heaven for betrayal. As the Devil, he gets bored and unhappy as the Lord of Hell for millennia. He resigns his throne in defiance to his father (God) and abandons his kingdom for Los Angeles, where he ends up running his own nightclub called "Lux". He becomes involved in a murder case with Detective Chloe Decker (Lauren German), and is subsequently invited to be a consultant to the LAPD. Throughout the series, several celestial and demonic threats come to Los Angeles; at the same time, Lucifer and Chloe end up appreciating and being happy with each other.

Lucifer is based off the DC Comics character created by Neil Gaiman, Sam Kieth, and Mike Dringenberg. Netflix took over the show from Fox after season 3 and is continuing it for a total of 6 seasons. Season 5 is currently being released in two parts.

It's a fun show with decently written characters.

 

[Dom Cruise]

What's the deal with the character? Is he supposed to be evil?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

@Overly Serious shitty OP up.

What's the deal with the character? Is he supposed to be evil?

According to the show: it's complicated. He just does his own thing and humans do bad on their own.

 

[JimiHendrix]

What's the deal with the character? Is he supposed to be evil?

It's difficult. Lucifer in the comics and Lucifer in the TV show are completely different characters. Like the show has NOTHING to do with the comics aside from character names.

But in both Lucifer is essentially a rebel, he's not evil, but he doesn't see much problem in having casual sex or stealing or general sinful things.

The show is mildly entertaining, but fairly generic and predictable in its writing in that I mean there are set patterns. Every episode there is a murder and every witness they talk to, it's always some background character when they're talking to the first witness that is the killer. For example if they're interviewing a doctor and a nurse comes up and says a line or two then leaves. Nurse is the killer.

Every time.

The show also has issues with Lucifer is the Devil! He's super powerful and invulnerable! But he never actually does anything. Where as from what I've seen of him in the comics it's..much more biblical, where he can quite literally do whatever the fuck he wants.

The one positive I will give this show though is they portray God as this absentee manipulative almost abusive Father which I actually really like. I thnk I like it more than Hellblazers version of God.

 

[Jimmy Durante's Ballsack]

My faggot 13 year old nephew adores this show. He has no taste in anything. Half of the reason he likes it so much is because it's "the top trending show in the US right now."

I am thinking you're also a faggot, OP.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

I am thinking you're also a faggot, OP.

We post on the farms, we're all faggots.

I enjoy it, and it helped me pass the time.

 

[Autumnal Equinox]

The only decent Lucifer is Viggo Mortensen in The Prophecy.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

The only decent Lucifer is Viggo Mortensen in The Prophecy.

There was only one ass shot tge entire season
A disappointment

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Lucifer (the character as portrayed in most fiction) is just the Fanfic.net version of the Nachash. He's the Shadow the Hedgehog to God's Sonic.

 

[Overly Serious]

What's the deal with the character? Is he supposed to be evil?

No, more just a case of growing up with the worst family in history.

He's narcissistic and mocks people endlessly, but he's very much more in the doesn't value human law and propriety zone rather than actively evil. One of the things that really sets him off is when people try to blame humanity's own bad things on him. Like, it really sets him off. I guess being history's ultimate scapegoat gets wearing.

His character makes sense in so far as:

• He's immortal. Not just ageless but in a "ow, you shot me! If you do that again, I'm going to get really pissed off" sort of way. Like a very nerfed superman. He bleeds, just not from small calibre.
• He has spent thousands of years as the Lord of Hell, served by a legion of fawning demons.
• He has perhaps literally the biggest inferiority complex in history given his dad is God and the entire human race despise him. Except Satanists - and he hates them even more.

So a lot of the show is him learning introspection for the first time in his existence. One of the other characters is his psychiatrist and there's a running joke of him always taking completely the wrong message from her suggestions. Basically, being up and living amongst humans and a certain spoilery thing I wont get into, begin his journey of personal growth. And boning people. Lots and lots of boning people.

The show is pretty spotty in the first season. Like JimiHendrix says, it's a police procedural so there's always this murder of the week thing that forms the skeleton of each episode. But it is only the skeleton. The meat, organs, skin and lips are the characters, the humour and the reveals. The crimes are there to get all the characters talking and doing stuff together. Lucifer ends up helping detective Chloe Decker out with a murder case in the first episode, finds it hilarious fun and worms his way into LAPD as a consultant and essentially pisses her off no end.

Second Season is a bit more even and in the Third they begin hitting their stride. Season 5 is released in two halves and I've watched the first half of the season and it's very good writing. Like, really good. The third episode of Season 5 is especially clever and very meta. The interplay between the few who know Lucifer's true nature and those who don't gets pretty neat. There's a line where someone says: "if the worst thing you said to him was 'go to Hell', that's pretty mild" and the look of "oh, if only you knew" on her face is good. Also, I don't know how well it will work without context but a character (Linda) is suggesting baby names and says: "how about Michael" and gets a hilariously firm "No!" in response.

I've never read the comics but there's a rule in any discussion about Lucifer that every dozen posts or so, someone says "he's a different character to the comics".

Every. Dozen. Posts.


EDIT: This being Kiwifarms, it should probably be commented on how infected or not this show is with Woke. Well, it's obviously not anti-woke. And no especial reason it should be. Lucifer is bi- but that's hardly out of character and the vast majority of his partners are women fwiw. It's at the level of sexuality and race doesn't matter, rather being your defining identity, which is how things should be. It also at points manages to show the shallowness of open, meaningless sex contrasted with real affection without being religious fundamentalist about it. It even, very gently pokes fun at the super-woke on occasion such as when Maze and Chloe impromptu pretend to be the parents of a child when investigating a crime at a school. The PTA woman is super-delighted at the child having "two moms" and you can see is just itching to tell all her friends how supportive she is of that. The show has been pleasantly non-judgemental but like all good things, that probably can't last.

 

[Begemot]

A decent kind of silly police procedural. Finished the 1st season, interesting that the third is where it hits it's stride. Might go back to it if that's the case, @Overly Serious

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I liked the comics but it got pretty tiresome after a while, it doesn't help that "heaven is bad, chaotic is good" is about the most abused tropes of our time.

 

[Overly Serious]

I liked the comics but it got pretty tiresome after a while, it doesn't help that "heaven is bad, chaotic is good" is about the most abused tropes of our time.

That's not really a theme in the show. In fact, I get the impression that The Silver City (Heaven) has a lot more politics going on than you'd think.

 

[Crazedking]

dunno i tried watching it and it was just a quirky man with a female cop sidekick show. which has already been done to death with stuff like Castle, monk or the alienist.

 

[Standardized Profile]

I love A Season of Mists, and while Carey's Lucifer isn't quite Sandman, it's still very good. So of course when I heard they had licensed the property and turned it into a police procedural, I knew I'd never watch it. I've seen a few clips, and they don't capture the character or tone at all. I doubt the TV series was even inspired by the Gaiman/Carey version, I suspect the producers came up with the idea independently then were advised to throw some money at DC Comics to avoid a lawsuit. That being accomplished, they were free to raid the IP and appropriate Mazikeen, Amenadiel, etc.

Does the TV show even have Mona Doyle, set over hedgehogs, and Elaine Belloc, set over everything except hedgehogs? If not, what's the point?

 

[Overly Serious]

I love A Season of Mists, and while Carey's Lucifer isn't quite Sandman, it's still very good. So of course when I heard they had licensed the property and turned it into a police procedural, I knew I'd never watch it. I've seen a few clips, and they don't capture the character or tone at all. I doubt the TV series was even inspired by the Gaiman/Carey version, I suspect the producers came up with the idea independently then were advised to throw some money at DC Comics to avoid a lawsuit. That being accomplished, they were free to raid the IP and appropriate Mazikeen, Amenadiel, etc.

Does the TV show even have Mona Doyle, set over hedgehogs, and Elaine Belloc, set over everything except hedgehogs? If not, what's the point?

It has none of that. It has next to nothing to do with the comics from what I can gather (never read them). It has a character called Lucifer, a character called Maze. Without having read them that's about all I know for cross-over and from people's posts about the show the only thing they really share are the names.

Fans of the comic shuffle round like zombies saying "it's different, it's different". I get if you love something it's painful to see a bad adaptation. But this puts ZERO effort into attempting to be an adaptation. There was maybe very early on some idea that it was going to be an adaptation hence the name Mazikeen as one of the demons - but even that name wasn't original to the comics, it's from Hebrew folklore.

The amount of pain people inflict upon themselves by forcing their expectations on someone or something, seems limitless. Which now I think about it would be a pretty typical theme for a Lucifer episode.


EDIT: Comics Mazekeen - disfigured, angsty, written to appeal to hormone-addled boys who fantasize about rescuing a doomed chick with depression who other guys wont compete with them over.

Lucifer TV show Mazekeen - hot badass who stabs people and makes out with hot girls. Written to appeal to guys who fantasize about gorgeous babes with an enormous sense of fun.

 

[Begemot]

Yeah, it's a police procedural stamped on the Bare arse Sandman mythos created intially by Gaiman. It's kind of fun, it has an internal consistency and showrunners that give a toss, which is better than Supernatural post season. 5.