New Zealand launches world's first HIV positive sperm bank -

AnOminous

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To these morons, dying horribly of AIDS is fear mongering. "But we have drugs", they cry, "we'll only be on drugs for the rest of our lives, and yes we expect the rich to pay for them."
And boy Big Pharma loves patients who have a permanent condition they need to take ever changing cocktails of multiple drugs, all under patent, for the rest of their lives. I can't imagine who's behind the big push to normalize being literally fucking infected with HIV.
 

Positron

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All of this contributes to a society where people’s barriers are broken down and where they are controlled and their innate repulsion for things that might harm them is denied. I’m sorry if it’s a bit tinfoil hat of me, but I do believe that this is an agenda being pushed to make people more easily controlled, marketed to and less likely to be blw to form coherent, class based resistance to imposed change.
This goes back to the old Foucaldian notion of Knowledge-Power. By redefining words and re-drawing boundaries, grievance activists are in effect creating a new form of "knowledge", and their privileged position -- the Power they already have as leisure class entrenched in academia -- enables their new "knowledge" to attain legitimacy. They then use their new "knowledge" as Power, as a form of social control. And part of the Power includes, of course, creation of new "knowledge" congruent with theirs.
 

Jamila

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There is always going to be deserved stigma around a disease that is primarily transmitted via stupid and reckless morally bankrupt behavior. You can't beat that out of people.
Yeah, what gets me is, what "stigma" are they trying to fight here? We know now how HIV is transmitted and how it can be prevented and treated. We know that anyone, not only degenerate faggots and drug addicts, can get it. Save for third world countries whose populations are too fucking stupid to get how diseases work (like where it originated) there is virtually no fear of HIV anymore. And as for the prospective donors and all the people pushing for this acceptance of HIV positive people, all this does is prove that people with HIV can't be trusted to have safe sex, take their ARV medication and not engage in risky behavior, because for every "undetectable" person there is still someone who gave them HIV in the first place.
 

ZeCommissar

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This is seriously so fucking stupid "guys it's basically harmless now". Yeah it's going to be harmless when the antiviral drugs you take every fucking day stop working you exceptional individual.

"Stop the stigma against HIV" Nigger doing this isn't going to stop the stigma. At worst you alienate the silent majority of normies because they will look at this and go "hmm maybe the religious right weren't wrong after all about this whole slippery slope thing..." Acting like a normal human being stops the stigma. Maybe if faggots stopped ruining things for other gay people then less people would have a "stigma" towards them.

What are you going to do if your plan backfires and a child is born with HIV due to this stupid shit? You are going to lose sympathizers faster than you can say "pride" from anyone with a brain almost regardless of political affiliation.



I’ve been thinking about this and the other recent stories and events which push a similar agenda. All those agendas are a form of social engineering which focuses on removing people’s ability to assert boundaries and removing people’s ability to judge and object to events in a logical manner.

consider the recent movements regarding gender. We are asked to not just have tolerance and sympathy for someone who wishes to have been the opposite sex, but to actively espouse that they have in fact changed sex. A physical impossibility is required to be stated as fact with social and real world consequences if you refuse.
Consider the postmodernist queer theory shit that’s rampant in universities. Language is used and controlled to make people reject reality in favour of ‘x is a social construct.’

Consider no platforming, safe spaces etc. All this does is neuter students’ ability to be confronted by difficult ideas, assess them and challenge them with facts and logic.
Consider the deluge of propaganda, advertising and fake news that makes us unsure of what is real and what is not.
Consider being called a TERF (ie witch) or a TRANSPHOBE or an Islamophobe or whatever ism or ist is in vogue for stating a preference, or an objection to a religious belief. You must get over your bigoted beliefs, your bigoted sexual preferences and you must fuck whomever wants you to and accept whatever erosion of cultural norms is pressed upon you,
Consider being a young girl who is not allowed to change for gym without the male gaze, or a man who can’t piss in a urinal without women walking past in the gender neutral bogs.

All of this contributes to a society where people’s barriers are broken down and where they are controlled and their innate repulsion for things that might harm them is denied. I’m sorry if it’s a bit tinfoil hat of me, but I do believe that this is an agenda being pushed to make people more easily controlled, marketed to and less likely to be blw to form coherent, class based resistance to imposed change.

you can pop the MOTI and paranoid ratings right here...
Out of all the dystopic visions I have seen I think Brave New World is the closest thing we are going to get to. Luckily we still do have bastions of sanity in the world that will cast these fools out of any serious space like they did with the religious right. People like having fun, and when you ruin their fun by going "wow that's sooooo problematic" after every little joke they make they are not going to take you seriously.

The only problem is this time they are heavily entrenched in academia so they can pretend to be "educated" which makes people hesitant.






I have a solution to eradicate HIV in humans once and for all....A final one if you will.
 

s0mbra

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One wrong move by an exceptional individual who forgets (or does so on purpose) to label a jar pozzed and suddenly a family is burdened with a lifelong of caring for a horribly sick child, and said child is brought into a miserable life.

I think my brain actually refuses to believe this is real.
 

DragoonSierra

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"Although this does not mean the HIV has been cured, it does mean that the treatment is working well and so the virus cannot be passed on – even through sex without a condom or childbirth."

There's no proof this is 100% true due to a lack of numbers. If there's so much as even a 1% chance of contracting HIV, you are putting lives at risk, especially the unborn. Fuck that noise, and fuck normalizing HIV. My sympathy goes out to the victims, not the bug-chasers.
This is so fucking angering it makes me want to scream. This is so utterly irresponsible, so utterly fucked I want to pin the motherfucker that funded this, thought it was a good idea and legalized it down and push my thumbs into their eyes until I hit brain. I am absolutely infuriated by reading this.

This is 100% as bad, if not worse than anti-vaxxers. They're not intentionally infecting themselves at the very least. HIV in 'undetectable' amounts is still a deadly, infectious disease to which you're exposing an unborn child to. I cannot think of anything more fucking irresponsible. You still have HIV if it is undetectable. It is NOT cured. That virus is lingering in your system and there is always a risk that a strain or your immune system collapses. Herpes is 'undetectable' because it hibernates in your spine and then travels in your nerves when you have an outbreak.

If he stops his meds, it will no longer be undetectable. There are very, VERY few people who have been cured of HIV or are completely immune to it. It has to do with genetics. Just because its at 'undetectable' levels doesn't mean he can stop. You have HIV. You have it forever. It is not going away. You're not a genetic miracle.

Null was absolutely right to tell this pathetic nation of cucked faggots to go fuck themselves. Fuck New Zealand and fuck any idiot that thinks this is a good idea. The founders deserve to be shot.
But what if this is actually a containment situation? If its undetectable then whats preventing a former HIV positive man from donating sperm at a regular sperm bank? They cant screen for it.
 
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Fareal

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...I have been musing on this in the background all morning and I cannot see how this is ethical in a medico legal sense.

Sperm washing to (maybe possibly hopefully) remove viral fragments has been practised for a number of years when fertility treating couples who have an HIV positive father involved. The ethical argument for that has been that this couple are going to try to have a child anyway, it is a harm reduction strategy to try and assist them to minimise the risk of onwards transmission to mother and child.

But this isn’t about couples, where there is an identified possible father who wants to be the biological father of the female patient’s child. This is a sperm bank. This is literally picking a bio father out of a book. It is both unethical to expose mother and child to that risk when nonifected donor sperm is readily available, and also... it’s batshit mad. It makes absolutely no sense that anyone would do this.
 

Otterly

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The antiviral cocktails may work now, but there is no guarantee they will work long term. When you’re chronically infected with a pathogen, and continually attacking it with a drug or drugs, you are in effect forcing that pathogen to evolve. All infections have the possibility to evolve to be resistant to an agent. Even cancer does this - we can now genetically fingerprint tumours and we find multiple distinct mutations within a tumour or tumours . The cancer itself evolves.
The idea that HIV won’t ever evolve to escape antiviral suppression is nonsensical. It’s quite possible that a strain will emerge that is resistant to one drug on the cocktail and from then it’s a matter of time before it’s resistant to all (there also a selection pressure on hIV to be less quickly lethal because the best parasites don’t kill their hosts quickly.)

men with HIV have lower scores on a number of semen quality markers, like motility, volume etc. HAART(antiretroviral therapy) also seems to cause genetic damage.

This just can’t be justified ethically. Mind you, the shit that passes ethics boards these days...


And boy Big Pharma loves patients who have a permanent condition they need to take ever changing cocktails of multiple drugs, all under patent, for the rest of their lives.
yes, exactly.Its a marketing wet dream. Customers for life. Just like the testosterone suppressed gender specials
 

AnOminous

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This just can’t be justified ethically. Mind you, the shit that passes ethics boards these days...
It should frankly be a crime under international law, akin to running an unlicensed biological weapons development unit. Also just because the virus is "undetectable" doesn't mean it isn't there. It's a fucking retrovirus so it's literally in the DNA of the host even if it isn't floating around free at the moment.
 

ZeCommissar

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But what if this is actually a containment situation? If its undetectable then whats preventing a former HIV positive man from donating sperm at a regular sperm bank? They cant screen for it.
Don't you have to use anti-viral drugs that work against HIV in order for it to become "undetectable" in the first place? I could be ignorant so correct me if i'm wrong but wouldn't you need to be diagnosed with HIV in the first place to get prescribed those drugs, and that would put you in the medical database?
 

Zero Day Defense

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Sperm banks typically charge money. So what is in this for the consumer? Why would a person pay money for contaminated sperm that is theoretically "safe," but not actually as safe as sperm they could get for the same price at a normal sperm bank down the road?
Plot twist: They're going to drive up the costs of non-contaminated sperm.
 
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