World New Zealand Passes 'Zero Carbon' Target Law - Ardern says New Zealand on 'right side of history' as MPs pass zero-carbon bill

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You're New Fucking Zealand. Your contribution to the green house is probably less than one tenth of a percent and you're sacrificing the economy for another less than a tenth percent? Jesus christ. That's so fucking incompetent.

Know your role, motherfuckers. You are not even a blip on the world stage. You're like a pixel. New Zealand is self important because its a tiny nothing and it wants to pretend it has a big dick to throw around. Fuck off.
 

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This will affect as much as the California law banning gas powered cars by 2012 did. They changed it a couple of times, by making it that you had to sell 15% of your inventory as zero emission cars, and then quietly dropped it when nobody paid attention.
that makes me wonder what'll happen in 2040 since the BC NDP government signed into law that all vehicles must be electric (or zero emission) by then.
 

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THey'll quietly walk back 99% of it becuase it will prove impossible to reach those goals, there's only so much regulation that can be done before you get to the point where actual private citizens are expected to take up the slack, and they won't, just like how as @Koby_Fish points out, California has tried to set such "no gas cars" deadlines time and time again.

Without actual penalties on individual civiliians, there's no way to force them to buy whatever alternative you're proposing/mandating, and thus, there's no market for industry to serve by creating an alternative, so, nothing happens. Car makers just abandon that market and, nobody has had the sheer chutzpah to start fining their citizens for failing to buy zero-emissions cars that aren't even available or affordable to them, yet. Unless you plan on inserting some kind of lifestyle enforcement agent into everyone's life with the power to directly enforce penalty every time they're noted to have picked up a plastic straw or drive a distance they could have walked, nobody is going to behave green 100% of the time no matter what their government says.

Technologically possible doesn't mean personally viable.

And as long as India and China exist as "escape hatches" , this zero-carbon nonsense is slow painful economic death.
 
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THey'll quietly walk back 99% of it becuase it will prove impossible to reach those goals, there's only so much regulation that can be done before you get to the point where actual private citizens are expected to take up the slack, and they won't, just like how as @Koby_Fish points out, California has tried to set such "no gas cars" deadlines time and time again.

Without actual penalties on individual civiliians, there's no way to force them to buy whatever alternative you're proposing/mandating, and thus, there's no market for industry to serve by creating an alternative, so, nothing happens. Car makers just abandon that market and, nobody has had the sheer chutzpah to start fining their citizens for failing to buy zero-emissions cars that aren't even available or affordable to them, yet. Unless you plan on inserting some kind of lifestyle enforcement agent into everyone's life with the power to directly enforce penalty every time they're noted to have picked up a plastic straw or drive a distance they could have walked, nobody is going to behave green 100% of the time no matter what their government says.

Technologically possible doesn't mean personally viable.

And as long as India and China exist as "escape hatches" , this zero-carbon nonsense is slow painful economic death.
The truth is that if we’re really as close to the tipping point as they say, there’s no way we’d survive after letting China and India industrialized to the point where they can make a transition to renewables.

I get the argument that the US created more per-capita carbon, but that trend is leveling off while meanwhile China and India are growing their emissions exponentially. It doesn’t matter if the US “sets the example” for what an industrialized nation should do. By the time the other developing economies reach us, it’ll be far too late. It’s a matter of scale.

Long story short, if the climate tipping point concept is true, activists should be lining up to invade the East. The fact no one’s talking about it has me convinced they’re just selling something.

I’m glad we don’t have to worry about it anymore though since New Zealand fixed everything.
 
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“Undeniably, our sea levels are rising, and undeniably, we are experiencing extreme weather events – increasingly so. “Undeniably, the science tells us the impact there will be on flora and fauna, and yes also the spread of diseases in areas where we haven’t previously seen them.”
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Methinks other things are bigger sources of disease spread. You know, like loosely regulated migration.
 
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