News Surrounding Iran and Friends Thread - News about our favorite sponsor of state terrorism.

Saudis or Iranians?

  • Long Live the House of Saud! Long Live the KSA!

    Votes: 6 12.8%
  • The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps will Triumph over the Infidel Pig-Dogs!

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • As a work around for not being able to edit the poll very much, but still having the capability of

    Votes: 3 6.4%
  • Allowing more votes. The Thread requested addition of "America, Fuck Yeah!" is below.

    Votes: 8 17.0%
  • America, Fuck Yeah!

    Votes: 31 66.0%

  • Total voters
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zap2theextreme

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Trump can't control if some other exceptional state decides to attack us. He didn't promise to be a pacifist. Who are you even talking about? Do you know? What is the nonsensical charade?
Nobody attacked us. Pretending Iran is any kind of military threat to America is absurd. If you honestly believe anything the US government or news media has to say in regard to Iranian belligerence you're being taken for a fool. Not only are we arguably in one of the lowest times of journalistic integrity but there's a precedent for the US government and the news media working in concert to lie and sell the country on a phony premise for war.
 
believe it or not, soldiers generally don't like getting shot at when they're hopelessly fucked for no good god damn reason if a peaceful alternative with no downsides exist you fucking war hawk. You can be the one to tell them that they should suck it up for Uncle Sam and die as if they were in Vietnam.
Uhh... I guess you didn't read what I said beyond a certain point. I am glad nobody was hurt, I just want the government to chew out mexico for idiotically accidentally committing an act of war against the US.

I don't see how any of that results in people being shot at. Unless mexican troops then decide to storm the border or something...

Nobody attacked us. Pretending Iran is any kind of military threat to America is absurd. If you honestly believe anything the US government or news media has to say in regard to Iranian belligerence you're being taken for a fool. Not only are we arguably in one of the lowest times of journalistic integrity but there's a precedent for the US government and the news media working in concert to lie and sell the country on a phony premise for war.
There's also a precedent of Iran being Iran and uh... you know they chant death to america there like all the time? That's not just made up. I'm not just reacting to something I read right this moment.

And again, we're not invading iran. But IF they attack us, IF, we definitely should respond, and nobody can promise what someone else will do. But ok, I guess you didn't know who you were talking about and just leaped onto the next shaky argument based on semantics.
 

Dunkirk

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Uhh... I guess you didn't read what I said beyond a certain point. I am glad nobody was hurt, I just want the government to chew out mexico for idiotically accidentally committing an act of war against the US.

I don't see how any of that results in people being shot at. Unless mexican troops then decide to storm the border or something...


There's also a precedent of Iran being Iran and uh... you know they chant death to america there like all the time? That's not just made up. I'm not just reacting to something I read right this moment.

And again, we're not invading iran. But IF they attack us, IF, we definitely should respond, and nobody can promise what someone else will do. But ok, I guess you didn't know who you were talking about and just leaped onto the next shaky argument based on semantics.
well what is your alternative when Mexican soldiers, who think that the US troops are in Mexico, arrest US troops and escort them back to the US? because you can only either accept an arrest or resist it.
 
well what is your alternative when Mexican soldiers, who think that the US troops are in Mexico, arrest US troops and escort them back to the US? because you can only either accept an arrest or resist it.
I dunno, maybe something along the lines of a public official saying publicly "Oh Mexico has received a stern warning and a map, next time we respond with appropriate force." You know, the first thing I said in this strangely circular conversation.

No obviously having US troops try to solo the mexican army is not a reasonable response. You let the US troops arrested by the mexicans be delivered home, then you announce since the mexican army doesn't seem to understand how borders work, we're now enforcing a no-go zone for the mexican army 1 mile into mexico from our border.

It wouldn't come to that. Mexico would make damn sure those soldiers knew precisely where the border is, and if in doubt, leave the US soldiers alone.

What happens if ukranian soldiers accidentally arrest russian solders on the wrong side of the border, out of curiosity?
 

Dunkirk

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I dunno, maybe something along the lines of a public official saying publicly "Oh Mexico has received a stern warning and a map, next time we respond with appropriate force." You know, the first thing I said in this strangely circular conversation.

No obviously having US troops try to solo the mexican army is not a reasonable response. You let the US troops arrested by the mexicans be delivered home, then you announce since the mexican army doesn't seem to understand how borders work, we're now enforcing a no-go zone for the mexican army 1 mile into mexico from our border.

It wouldn't come to that. Mexico would make damn sure those soldiers knew precisely where the border is, and if in doubt, leave the US soldiers alone.
As i've said this happens on a semi-regular basis and it even happens to countries with worse relationships than the US and Mexico. Nobody is dumb enough to deliberately start a war over actual honest mistakes that were handled professionally and reasonably by both sides. it is a complete non-issue in this case. There is no need to tell the mexican army that they should read a fucking map because i can guarantee you that internal punishment has already been applied and no amount of training or maps will ever have a Lt, no matter what army he is in, not get lost and end up where he shouldn't be.

As for the "if in doubt, leave the US soldiers alone", that would be as serious of a breach in their law as a "if in doubt, confiscate their weapons" policy for the ATF.

What happens if ukranian soldiers accidentally arrest russian solders on the wrong side of the border, out of curiosity?
Well considering that both countries are effectively fighting a war against each other (which i would know, having fought in it a bit as a volunteer). I think that the Ukrainian soldiers would just shoot first ask questions never. if pressured the official answer with be that they thought it was "pro-Russian Ukrainian partisans" or some other shit. The US is not currently engaged in a proxy war with Mexico and is in fact, on rather good terms all things considering.
 
As i've said this happens on a semi-regular basis and it even happens to countries with worse relationships than the US and Mexico. Nobody is dumb enough to deliberately start a war over actual honest mistakes that were handled professionally and reasonably by both sides. it is a complete non-issue in this case. There is no need to tell the mexican army that they should read a fucking map because i can guarantee you that internal punishment has already been applied and no amount of training or maps will ever have a Lt, no matter what army he is in, not get lost and end up where he shouldn't be.

As for the "if in doubt, leave the US soldiers alone", that would be as serious of a breach in their law as a "if in doubt, confiscate their weapons" policy for the ATF.


Well considering that both countries are effectively fighting a war against each other (which i would know, having fought in it a bit as a volunteer). I think that the Ukrainian soldiers would just shoot first ask questions never. if pressured the official answer with be that they thought it was "pro-Russian Ukrainian partisans" or some other shit. The US is not currently engaged in a proxy war with Mexico and is in fact, on rather good terms all things considering.
I think that if the US soldiers got lost in mexico and arrested some mexican soldiers, it would be a news story and people would be talking about the evils of american imperialism. If you've got any examples of that actually happening I will retract my argument and eat a figurative hat made of humble pie though.
 
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I think that if the US soldiers got lost in mexico and arrested some mexican soldiers, it would be a news story and people would be talking about the evils of american imperialism. If you've got any examples of that actually happening I will retract my argument and eat a figurative hat made of humble pie though.
doesn't happen anymore from what I'm aware due to US policy changing about 20 years after a marine recon team shot and killed a young mexican boy with a .22 rifle who went out with his family's herd of goats to graze. They thought he was a drug smuggler and the boy made the mistake of shooting a rabbit that was in the general direction of the marines. Poor bastard turned into swiss cheese.

US policy now errs on the side of caution to avoid another such incident, however the Mexican army can't employ such a policy due to their constitution. There is also the fact that typically speaking this stuff stays as buried internal reports that while not classified, might as well be due to the raw amount of paperwork it gets buried in. As I'm not an american I can't make a FOIA request I believe to dig up any sort of concrete proof though.
 
Hah, so the US army had certain rules of engagement, like if someone shoots in your direction shoot them, then something happened, and they changed the rules to avoid another incident.

Very interesting. It's almost like mexico should change its rules to avoid incident. Since they aren't, they must not be that worried about it. We should take some diplomatic action to make it very clear they should be more worried about it.

Thank you for proving my point I guess.
 
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Hah, so the US army had certain rules of engagement, like if someone shoots in your direction shoot them, then something happened, and they changed the rules to avoid another incident.

Very interesting. It's almost like mexico should change its rules to avoid incident. Since they aren't, they must not be that worried about it. We should take some diplomatic action to make it very clear they should be more worried about it.

Thank you for proving my point I guess.
As I've repeatedly stated, it isn't the Army's rules but their own constitution. Should an army have power to simply step in their country's constitution whenever convenient? It is out of the army's hands and into the hands of the civilian government of Mexico which I think we both know is powerless to the Cartels.
 
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I think that if the US soldiers got lost in mexico and arrested some mexican soldiers, it would be a news story and people would be talking about the evils of american imperialism. If you've got any examples of that actually happening I will retract my argument and eat a figurative hat made of humble pie though.
Yes that's the point. If the roles are reversed, and the story is exceptional, the original story is also exceptional.

In my opinion, this non-story was pushed to anger Trump supporters against him and make him seem weak on the border, and from my experience it's been profoundly effective on some people.

It's exactly the same as when Trump Tomahawked an empty airfield in Syria after letting Russia know, as a show of force from the gas attacks (not getting into the false flag theories, the point is the media response). The media played hard as this was Trump lying about non-interventionist, and a lot of supporters got grumpy.
 
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As I've repeatedly stated, it isn't the Army's rules but their own constitution. Should an army have power to simply step in their country's constitution whenever convenient? It is out of the army's hands and into the hands of the civilian government of Mexico which I think we both know is powerless to the Cartels.
I think you're being purposely dense at this point.
 

ColtWalker1847

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Nobody attacked us. Pretending Iran is any kind of military threat to America is absurd. If you honestly believe anything the US government or news media has to say in regard to Iranian belligerence you're being taken for a fool. Not only are we arguably in one of the lowest times of journalistic integrity but there's a precedent for the US government and the news media working in concert to lie and sell the country on a phony premise for war.
Just going to leave this right here
This is what happened the last time the Iranians started funny business in the sealanes of the gulf. Mines and silkworms and exocets were a'flyin.
 

BONE_Buddy

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OP should add 'America, Fuck Yeah!' to the poll.
America Fuck Yeah should be a checkbox in addition to your poll vote. Just give a percentage of people who checked it next to each vote. I don't know if it will have any statistical value, but I'll click it.
To be fair 'America, Fuck Yeah!' Should be an option for every poll.
Let me see what I can do.
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Right now, a new round of news:
U.S. State Department Issues a level 4 Travel Advisory for Iraq
State Department said:
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Do not travel to Iraq due to terrorism, kidnapping, and armed conflict.

U.S. citizens in Iraq are at high risk for violence and kidnapping. Numerous terrorist and insurgent groups are active in Iraq and regularly attack both Iraqi security forces and civilians. Anti-U.S. sectarian militias may also threaten U.S. citizens and Western companies throughout Iraq. Attacks by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) occur in many areas of the country, including Baghdad.

The U.S. government’s ability to provide routine and emergency services to U.S. citizens in Iraq is extremely limited. On May 15, 2019, the Department of State ordered the departure of non-emergency U.S. government employees from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and the U.S. Consulate in Erbil; normal visa services will be temporarily suspended at both posts. On October 18, 2018, the Department of State ordered the temporary suspension of operations at the U.S. Consulate General in Basrah. The American Citizens Services (ACS) Section at the U.S. Embassy Baghdad will continue to provide consular services to U.S. citizens in Basrah.

U.S. citizens should not travel through Iraq to Syria to engage in armed conflict, where they would face extreme personal risks (kidnapping, injury, or death) and legal risks (arrest, fines, and expulsion). The Kurdistan Regional Government stated that it will impose prison sentences of up to ten years on individuals who illegally cross the border. Additionally, fighting on behalf of, or supporting designated terrorist organizations, is a crime that can result in penalties, including prison time and large fines in the United States.

Due to risks to civil aviation operating within or in the vicinity of Iraq, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has issued a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) and/or a Special Federal Aviation Regulation (SFAR). For more information, U.S. citizens should consult the Federal Aviation Administration’s Prohibitions, Restrictions and Notices.

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Netanyahu wary of being dragged into U.S.-Iran escalation
South Korean Unification Ministry said:
At a special meeting on U.S.-Iran tensions with Israel's intelligence chiefs and top military brass, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel would make every effort not to get dragged into the escalation in the Gulf and would not interfere directly in the situation, Israeli officials tell me.

The backdrop: Israel was one of the main sources of intelligence on alleged Iranian plots against the U.S. and its allies in the region. The U.S. has spread the alarm about such threats and deployed additional military assets. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke on the phone earlier this week with Netanyahu to coordinate their responses to rising U.S.-Iran tensions, the officials say.

The assessment from Israeli intelligence is that there is not imminent risk of attack by Iran or its proxies against Israel in Lebanon, Syria or Iraq as a result of recent escalation, according to Israeli officials.
  • During the emergency meeting, Netanyahu ordered security and intelligence chiefs to boost monitoring of Iranian forces and pro-Iranian militias in the region, Israeli officials said.
  • A State Department official told me Pompeo and Netanyahu speak frequently on a wide range of issues, including about the threat posed by Iran. The official refrained from discussing the call this week, but didn't deny that it took place.
US orders embassy staff from Iraq over 'imminent' Iran threat
There is fuck-all new in the article aside from the headline.

Qatar moves to ease Iran-US tensions in the Gulf
"Qatar's FM visits Iran to help head off the deepening crisis between the US, Iran and regional powers."

This one feels like deja-vu
Al-Jazeera said:
Qatar's foreign minister has held talks with his Iranian counterpart in recent days in Tehran aiming to defuse escalating tensions in the Gulf, a source told Al Jazeera.

The purpose of the visit was to open new avenues to resolve the growing crisis between Iran and the United States and ease the volatile situation, said the highly-placed source familiar with details of the trip.

"The Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani has visited Iran in the past few days and met Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in Tehran," he said.

The source did not say whether Sheikh Mohammed met Iranian President Hassan Rouhani but confirmed the US was aware of the visit in advance.

The source did not know whether the Qatari foreign minister was carrying a message from the US.

The US recently deployed an aircraft carrier attack group and B-52 bombers to the Gulf, citing "threats" from Iranian forces. Tehran has accused Washington of "psychological warfare".

Washington applied new sanctions on Iran after pulling out of the landmark nuclear deal involving Tehran and world powers, which curbed the Islamic Republic's atomic weapons programme in exchange for sanctions relief.

The US last month also blacklisted Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a "terrorist group".

Iran quickly dubbed the US a "state sponsor of terrorism" and designated US Central Command and its forces a "terrorist group".

Nuclear deal
Iran announced on Wednesday that it officially stopped some commitments under the 2015 nuclear deal following an order from its National Security Council, ISNA news agency reported.

Last week, Iran notified China, France, Germany, Russia and the United Kingdom of its decision to halt some commitments under the nuclear deal, a year after the US unilaterally withdrew from the accord and reimposed sanctions.

Under the nuclear deal, Tehran was allowed to produce low-enriched uranium with a 300kg limit, and produce heavy water with a stock capped around 130 tonnes.

Tehran could ship the excess amounts out of the country for storage or sale.

An official in the country's atomic energy body told ISNA that Iran now has no limit for the production of enriched uranium and heavy water.

Iran's initial moves do not appear to violate the nuclear deal yet. But Tehran has warned that unless the other signatories put in place measures to protect its economy from US sanctions within 60 days, it would start enriching uranium at a higher level.

In a speech broadcast on national television on May 8, Rouhani said Iran wanted to negotiate new terms with the remaining partners in the deal, but acknowledged the situation was dire.

"We felt that the nuclear deal needs a surgery and the painkiller pills of the last year have been ineffective," Rouhani said. "This surgery is for saving the deal, not destroying it."

The European Union and the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Britain said they were still committed to the deal but would not accept ultimatums from Tehran.

The deal also caps the level of purity to which Iran can enrich uranium at 3.67 percent, far below the 90 percent of weapons-grade uranium. It is also well below the 20 percent level to which Iran enriched uranium before the deal.

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Tuesday there will not be a war with the US despite mounting tensions. Khamenei also said Tehran would not negotiate with the US on another nuclear deal.

'Orchestrating conflict'
On Tuesday, Iranian officials accused "hardliners" in the US and elsewhere of attempting to orchestrate an incident that would ratchet up tensions with Tehran.

Four ships - two Saudi, one Norwegian and one Emirati - were damaged on Sunday off the coast of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in what Emirati officials described as acts of sabotage near the port of Fujairah.

The incident happened 140km south of the Strait of Hormuz, through which about one-third of all oil traded by sea passes.

"We ... talked about the policies that hardliners in the US administration as well as in the region are attempting to impose," Iran's Foreign Minister Zarif told Iranian state TV in India after a bilateral meeting with Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj.

"We raised concerns over the suspicious activities and sabotage that are happening in our region. We had formerly anticipated that they would carry out these sorts of activities to escalate tension."
Now for a grab-bag of twitter based updates because english news sites are fuck-shit slow.

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As a side note, twitter should die in a coat-hanger abortion attempt. One of the reasons I am spending time on this site is to try to start moving some of the defense news spergs to someplace/anyplace other than that shithole.
 

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Right now, a new round of news:
U.S. State Department Issues a level 4 Travel Advisory for Iraq


Netanyahu wary of being dragged into U.S.-Iran escalation

US orders embassy staff from Iraq over 'imminent' Iran threat
There is fuck-all new in the article aside from the headline.

Qatar moves to ease Iran-US tensions in the Gulf
"Qatar's FM visits Iran to help head off the deepening crisis between the US, Iran and regional powers."

This one feels like deja-vu


Now for a grab-bag of twitter based updates because english news sites are fuck-shit slow.

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As a side note, twitter should die in a coat-hanger abortion attempt. One of the reasons I am spending time on this site is to try to start moving some of the defense news spergs to someplace/anyplace other than that shithole.
Fucking nigger Israelis. "We're not getting involved," These stupid fucks should be on the frontline. We give them money, weapons, resources, our full support. Fuck these people. Leave them to their own devices and let them feel the sting of their enemies without American meatshields.
 

BONE_Buddy

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Fucking nigger Israelis. "We're not getting involved," These stupid fucks should be on the frontline. We give them money, weapons, resources, our full support. Fuck these people. Leave them to their own devices and let them feel the sting of their enemies without American meatshields.
While I understand that response. They have the "Gazan Problem" to deal with. It looks like it might be boiling over soon, and they will need to deploy a large number of troops to make good their promise of annexation of the Gaza Strip.In an event where Iran and the U.S. get into actual conflict, the Israelis would have to also deal with Hizbollah/Hezbollah and their allied forces in Lebanon.

All this is to say that in the event of this transitioning from a pissing match to a cage match, Israel will be fighting too.
 

Poiseon

I am literal poison.
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While I understand that response. They have the "Gazan Problem" to deal with. It looks like it might be boiling over soon, and they will need to deploy a large number of troops to make good their promise of annexation of the Gaza Strip.In an event where Iran and the U.S. get into actual conflict, the Israelis would have to also deal with Hizbollah/Hezbollah and their allied forces in Lebanon.

All this is to say that in the event of this transitioning from a pissing match to a cage match, Israel will be fighting too.
It's about time these fucks fight their own stupid conflicts. I'm firmly in the fuck the middle east and let them kill each other camp. Our men and resources shouldn't be there to begin with.
 
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