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White people calling themselves goy is now "anti-semitic language". Does this mean black people calling themselves or each other "nigger" is racist language? Should we start giving consequences to them, too?


Fuentes has made everything about himself so politically radioactive that he'll destroy people that try defending him.
They commit the cardinal sin of opposing mass migration. Of course they'll be attacked for sharing voting patterns and the currently inevitable flips of texas and florida to become solid blue states as a result of immigration in the same way as california did.

They'll be attacked and smeared and fired in any way possible for mounting a defense that would have a chance to work.
 
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Semi related: Another TPUSA person left, Gavin Sample.


Also ended up connected to Identity Yevropa in the past due to using a discord sever of theirs a well as another Nick Fuentes server.


They even got a state representative to disavow the guy.

Practically none of these people are good about optics and are setting themselves up to all be unpersoned. Even Michelle Malkin who decided to throw her support behind Nick has gotten herself removed from the Young America's Foundation.



Whole point of optics is to appear more reasonable/persuasive to the general public, not just those within your core fanbase, and these guys are all just failing miserably at this as they keep acting like they can ignore comments like Walsh's rather than try anything at all as a PR counter offensive, in effect making it look like they agree with nearly everything they're accused of (being racist and blah blah).


Fuentes has made everything about himself so politically radioactive that he'll destroy people that try defending him.
The optics shit is a rigged game. The only way to appear "reasonable" and not "toxic" and break into a mainstream platform is to cuck out almost completely. Sure, the nazi goon marches and whathaveyou aren't productive, but don't let Matt fucking Walsh tell you how to act either. Of course you'll take some heat, but it was never supposed to be easy. Michelle Malkin should stay out of far-right politics if she can't handle it.

If Nick believes in race realism and ZOG he should be open about it, because it's what a lot of people didn't know they wanted to hear. He shouldn't beat around the bush and represent himself as a civnat or whatever when he knows that isn't true.
 
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The optics shit is a rigged game. The only way to appear "reasonable" and not "toxic" and break into a mainstream platform is to cuck out almost completely. Sure, the nazi goon marches and whathaveyou aren't productive, but don't let Matt fucking Walsh tell you how to act either. Of course you'll take some heat, but it was never supposed to be easy. Michelle Malkin should stay out of far-right politics if she can't handle it.

If Nick believes in race realism and ZOG he should be open about it, because it's what a lot of people didn't know they wanted to hear. He shouldn't beat around the bush and represent himself as a civnat or whatever when he knows that isn't true.
I don't get the point in getting unpersoned so you can avoid 'cucking' by saying a kid was being bad for saying for things were better during segregation and whatever else he's getting quoted saying.


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Practically none of these people are good about optics and are setting themselves up to all be unpersoned.
I don't get the point in getting unpersoned so you can avoid 'cucking' by saying a kid was being bad for saying for things were better during segregation and whatever else he's getting quoted saying.
I don't think anything is going to get better in society until we collectively stop putting the onus on the person who's getting unpersoned to not espouse that opinion rather than holding the people doing it responsible.

I disagree with Nick, but the people defending him are principled in doing so (sticking by the concepts of free speech and answering hostile/disagreeable opinions with discussion instead of attacks), and there should be nothing wrong with that. If anything it's rather disgusting that all of these people at TPUSA are doing the same kind of shit they keep lamenting about having done to them, to him.
 

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Yeah the only acceptable response is losing with dignity and principles while the left and neocons call you a Nazi and destroy you and your family. Fuentes has handled shit much better than Dick Spencer who thought Roman salutes and goon marches were a good idea. I’m not a huge fan of Fuentes but if he can avoid the traps that others fell into in 2017, he will come out well in the end. They’ll still unperson him but they’re going to do that to anyone who challenges the system whether they have good optics or not. All the more proof that antifa is just shock troops for woke capital.
 

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He's twice on the front page of the drudge report now


 

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I don't get the point in getting unpersoned so you can avoid 'cucking' by saying a kid was being bad for saying for things were better during segregation and whatever else he's getting quoted saying.


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"Segregation is only good when Israel does it."

Typical media stooge, typical smear. Israel is right about segregation, nationalism, and closed borders, and they know it, which is why they force the exact opposite on every one of their vassal nations.

He's twice on the front page of the drudge report now


"Alternative right" refers to a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state. It appears that fewer people identify with the term since the deadly Charlottesville rally cast a spotlight on alt-right and neo-Nazi demonstrators.
Fewer people identify with the term, includes Fuentes. The term Alt-right already has loads of media demonization behind it, so they just keep on tarring it about liberally.

“This is the alt right 2.0 because the alt right was discredited,” Crenshaw said. “So what they do is try to cloak themselves in some logical nationalism or MAGA-hat wearing America First rhetoric, which a lot of conservatives agree with, and then they use that to cloak their anti-Semitic leanings, and their racist leanings, and it’s pretty gross. You’re going to regret this.”
"Crenshaw remarked, in between slurps as he was fellating a rabbi."

Humiliating Charlie Kirk last week has probably resulted in the firepower of the media being aimed at Fuentes. Kirk thought he could win that fight, but no; and Dan Crenshaw thought he had some kind of cachet with the anyone under 60, but hell no.

Unpersoning Fuentes still won't stop the disruption of their gay conservative movements at campuses, as its quite gotten bigger than him at this point.

Its kind of heartening to see someone like Michelle Malkin, who, I think, was already somewhat unpersoned, stand up for principle on these issues. Her remaining platforms are going to be pulled because of it, of course.

Conservative Group Fires Michelle Malkin Over Support for Holocaust Denier
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Updated Nov. 18, 2019 4:19AM ET / Published Nov. 17, 2019 9:46PM ET


A conservative group cut ties with right-wing columnist Michelle Malkin on Sunday over her support for an anti-Semitic internet personality, ramping up a growing conservative civil war centered on college campuses.

Malkin’s firing from Young America’s Foundation, whose speakers bureau had booked Malkin for speeches across the country for the past 17 years, marks the latest battle between supporters of Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes and more establishment conservative figures.

“Michelle Malkin in no longer part of YAF’s campus lecture program,” a YAF spokesman said in an email to The Daily Beast.

Malkin didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Since October, Fuentes’s fans have been showing up at conservative college speeches and heckling speakers booked by YAF and another, rival conservative group, Turning Point USA.

The alt-right activists, who call themselves “groypers” in a nod to a meme about an obese toad similar to Pepe the Frog, typically ask the speakers questions about United States aid to Israel and immigration in an attempt to push their racist and anti-Semitic beliefs into more mainstream conservatism. On Nov. 10, the activists booed Donald Trump Jr. at a Turning Point event after organizers refused to hold a Q&A.

Right-wing figures like former Fox News host and Trump campaign adviser Kimberly Guilfoyle and podcaster Ben Shapiro have slammed the activists, with Shapiro highlighting Fuentes’s history of bigoted remarks in a recent speech. Among other things, Fuentes marched in the 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, and praised what he called a “tidal wave of white identity” after the rally. Fuentes has also used his internet video show, America First, to deny the Holocaust, and claimed that segregation was “better.”

‘Groyper’ leader on segregation:

“Enough with the Jim Crow stuff. Who cares? ‘Oh, I had to drink out of a different water fountain.’ Big f—ing deal...oh no, they had to go to a different school...And even if it was bad, who cares?...it was better for them, it’s better for us.” pic.twitter.com/ZJ7LqpTHgL
— Guy Benson (@guypbenson) November 18, 2019

Malkin has praised Fuentes and his fans, calling on establishment conservatives to engage with them. In a speech last week, Malkin called Fuentes “one of the New Right leaders.” In another, she praised Fuentes fans and called their conservative critics “cringe.” She has also frequently echoed their talking points calling for further restricting legal immigration, claiming that continued immigration will doom the Republican Party.

“We’re the majority in this room, and we’re the majority in this country,” Malkin said at a Thursday speech at UCLA organized by YAF.

Malkin’s praise for Fuentes appears to have been too much for YAF, which sent a tweet distancing themselves from Malkin on Sunday without mentioning her by name.

“There is no room in mainstream conservatism or at YAF for holocaust deniers, white nationalists, street brawlers, or racists,” the tweet reads.

Malkin shot back on Twitter, calling YAF the “Keepers of the Gate” and calling Fuentes’s activists “patriotic.”

The Keepers of the Gate have spoken. #AmericaFirst is not "mainstream." My defense of unjustly prosecuted Proud Boys, patriotic young nationalists/groypers & demographic truth-tellers must not be tolerated. SPLC is cheering. https://t.co/yYyqocx1T5
— Michelle Malkin (@michellemalkin) November 17, 2019

Malkin’s support is likely to draw more attention to the “groypers,” who have notched at least one other win in their attacks on conservatives. Last week, under pressure from Fuentes, Turning Point chief Charlie Kirk backtracked from a remark he had made calling for foreign students to receive green cards if they graduate from a four-year college in the United States.

But that capitulation apparently wasn’t enough for his critics—on Thursday, Kirk was chased off the University of Houston campus by a group of heckling Fuentes supporters.
It's amazing that some people can look at that headline and not wonder why the media and our politicians define themselves on their obeisance to Israel.
 
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Yeah the only acceptable response is losing with dignity and principles while the left and neocons call you a Nazi and destroy you and your family. Fuentes has handled shit much better than Dick Spencer who thought Roman salutes and goon marches were a good idea. I’m not a huge fan of Fuentes but if he can avoid the traps that others fell into in 2017, he will come out well in the end. They’ll still unperson him but they’re going to do that to anyone who challenges the system whether they have good optics or not. All the more proof that antifa is just shock troops for woke capital.
Fuentes is fucking exceptional, and anyone who thinks he handles his shit well probably haven't seen enough of him to realize just how radioactive the guy is. He went on fucking Twitch for a debate and states this:


I get the "principle" that Michelle Malkin believes she's supporting, but at the same time, Nick's intent for controlling immigration is different from Malkin's, and that principle should be considered as well. If you're against open immigration, you're going to find more support for that if you're intent is merely to stop uncontrolled immigration. If you're intent is just to stop a bunch of spics and niggers from breeding with the white population to breed them out of existence, no one is going to fucking support you except the most disgusting members of society that you don't want to associate with in the first place and it tarnishes your political agenda. Just cause Nick calls people a liar and paypigs, it still doesn't invalidate what they say about him. The fact that he thinks his fight against Turning Point USA is a big deal shows just how fucking small he actually is. If he had any real attention, he'd be dismantled in a second, and the fact that he's starting to get that attention should make him sweat.

Milo was brought down by a pedophile support allegation that can barely be substantiated by a clip, yet you guys think this guy is somehow filling the gap better? Come the fuck on.
 
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Fuentes is fucking exceptional, and anyone who thinks he handles his shit well probably haven't seen enough of him to realize just how radioactive the guy is. He went on fucking Twitch for a debate and states this:


I get the "principle" there Michelle Malkin believes she's supporting, but at the same time, Nick's intent for controlling immigration is different from Malkin's, and that principle should be considered as well. If you're against open immigration, you're going to find more support for that if you're intent is merely to stop uncontrolled immigration. If you're intent is just to stop a bunch of spics and niggers from breeding with the white population to breed them out of existence, no one is going to fucking support you except the most disgusting members of society that you don't want to associate with in the first place and it tarnishes your political agenda. Just cause Nick calls people a liar and paypigs, it still doesn't invalidate what they say about him. The fact that he thinks his fight against Turning Point USA is a big deal shows just how fucking small he actually is. If he had any real attention, he'd be dismantled in a second, and the fact that he's starting to get that attention should make him sweat.

Milo was brought down by a pedophile support allegation that can barely be substantiated by a clip, yet you guys think this guy is somehow filling the gap better? Come the fuck on.
Ok Dan Crenshaw, way to get spanked by Nick Fuentes.

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He went on fucking Twitch for a debate and states this:
He wasn't doing too bad until that 'bred out of existence' part. Looks like he got flustered cuz those two speds up top were laughing at him and he lost his couth. I dont think he was wrong at any point, but he did handle it poorly. Who wouldn't see red over getting shit on by a twerp like Destiny or by a goatfucker Young Turk?

The fact that he thinks his fight against Turning Point USA is a big deal shows just how fucking small he actually is.
He's been targeted by the media and by cream of the pseudo-conservative contingent: apparently he's not the only one who thinks it was a big deal. If he were merely a gnat, they would have ignored him - I think they probably should have, as they are only fanning the flames. No one is ever going to take TPUSA seriously again.

Even Dan Crenshaw has been tarnished by this. He was primed to be the up and coming shabbos goy of the Republican party, instead has seen nothing but humiliation over this. He has been too blatant in his judaic fellatio for so long that even people on r/the_donald routinely crack wise on him. He's was a joke before Fuentes, but now he's a laughingstock.
 

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He wasn't doing too bad until that 'bred out of existence' part. Looks like he got flustered cuz those two speds up top were laughing at him and he lost his couth. I dont think he was wrong at any point, but he did handle it poorly. Who wouldn't see red over getting shit on by a twerp like Destiny or by a goatfucker Young Turk?
Look, if you can't keep your composure and avoid saying exceptional shit just because some of the most insignificant people are laughing at you, you're an absolute sped. The fact that he got flustered by "a twerp like Destiny or by a goatfucker Young Turk" as you yourself described makes him even less respectable, not more and this isn't even the only time Nick can't keep himself from saying exceptional shit. This whole forum is people laughing at exceptional fuckers on the internet, and Nick Fuentes should be added to the list along with Spencer. Also, let's not also avoid the fact that Asmongold and Trainwrecks saved Fuentes ass by moving the topic along, otherwise Fuentes was going to continue making an ass of himself.
 

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"Segregation is only good when Israel does it."

Typical media stooge, typical smear. Israel is right about segregation, nationalism, and closed borders, and they know it, which is why they force the exact opposite on every one of their vassal nations.



Fewer people identify with the term, includes Fuentes. The term Alt-right already has loads of media demonization behind it, so they just keep on tarring it about liberally.


"Crenshaw remarked, in between slurps as he was fellating a rabbi."

Humiliating Charlie Kirk last week has probably resulted in the firepower of the media being aimed at Fuentes. Kirk thought he could win that fight, but no; and Dan Crenshaw thought he had some kind of cachet with the anyone under 60, but hell no.

Unpersoning Fuentes still won't stop the disruption of their gay conservative movements at campuses, as its quite gotten bigger than him at this point.

Its kind of heartening to see someone like Michelle Malkin, who, I think, was already somewhat unpersoned, stand up for principle on these issues. Her remaining platforms are going to be pulled because of it, of course.


It's amazing that some people can look at that headline and not wonder why the media and our politicians define themselves on their obeisance to Israel.
American News Media gets their coverage on Israel from the Palestinian Authority
 

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Look, if you can't keep your composure and avoid saying exceptional shit just because some of the most insignificant people are laughing at you, you're an absolute sped. The fact that he got flustered by "a twerp like Destiny or by a goatfucker Young Turk" as you yourself described makes him even less respectable, not more and this isn't even the only time Nick can't keep himself from saying exceptional shit. This whole forum is people laughing at exceptional fuckers on the internet, and Nick Fuentes should be added to the list along with Spencer. Also, let's not also avoid the fact that Asmongold and Trainwrecks saved Fuentes ass by moving the topic along, otherwise Fuentes was going to continue making an ass of himself.
Yes, you're right. Good point.

Apparently Georgetown University has a pro-Islam initiative called the Bridge Initiative, housed in the Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, and they have compiled a dossier on Michelle Malkin. Why has an American university an islamic wing? How bizarre. Disliking Islam should be mandatory for American citizens.


After reading that dossier, if it is accurate - I'm sure much of it is not - I now have a lot more respect for her. No wonder she was already persona non gratis in mainstream circles before this incident. They really make her sound like an outstanding, patriotic American, an all-around upright figure.
 
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Yes, you're right. Good point.

Apparently Georgetown University has a pro-Islam initiative called the Bridge Initiative, housed in the Alwaleed Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, and they have compiled a dossier on Michelle Malkin. Why has an American university an islamic wing? How bizarre. Disliking Islam should be mandatory for American citizens.


After reading that dossier, if it is accurate - I'm sure much of it is not - I now have a lot more respect for her. No wonder she was already persona non gratis in mainstream circles before this incident. They really make her sound like an outstanding, patriotic American, an all-around upright figure.
Right, I actually like Michelle Malkin, but her associating with Fuentes only muddies her message, because Fuentes obviously opposes open borders for more exceptional reasons than Malkin, and Malkin associating with Fuentes basically kills her messaging when it comes to immigration reform.
 

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Fuentes is still very obviously antisemitic,
Ok, take this is as a somehow "edgy" take, but I don't see him as an anti-semitic. I think the problem here could be cultural.

I mean, he it's accused of being an anti-semite by people who also speak openly about their disagreements and dislike for Muslims and their culture and how they don't want to adapt to Western society. Why is that not considered hateful while the other one is? Either both are hateful or neither is. And you see the people who say that "islamophobic" is not a real word, using "anti-semitic" quite loosely to their convenience.

Now, Brits have a natural dislike for Germans. And Spaniards arent' very much into French people. It's a cultural thing. It happens. So, if Fuentes was raised by his father who still got some of his Latino background, then, American or not, he was probably raised talking openly about things that are more naturally discussed in Latin America. Here, you have people openly saying what they don't like about many groups, including, of course, Jews. In Spain isn't that odd either to have certain opinions about Jews.

I'm not saying this is the case nor I'm defending him, but I'm just entertaining the idea that, maybe, Nick is just doing what he's been raised to believe and, for him, there is nothing wrong with criticism towards Jews in the same way Ben Shapiro believes there is nothing wrong on his criticisms of Muslim culture.
 

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A good idea, if you want to be a leader, is to figure out where people are, and where you want them to be, and then lay a path one stone at a time. Expecting anyone to leap from where they are to where you want them to be is really foolish. Trying to get people to go from "hey maybe our culture shouldn't be destroyed" to "actually legally-enforced segregation is better for everyone" in a single jump isn't going to get a lot of takers. If Feuentes is arguing points 3 or 4 steps outside the bounds of discourse, then he's a buffoon, working against his own interests just as surely as any Full Communism Now shemale dickshit.
 

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I think, to a large degree, Nick has a good point when he claims it's unfair that a lot of edgy stuff he is saying at 16-21 (often with a great degree of thick irony) is being taken at face value when people like Posobiac, Shapiro, Chamberlain and many many other Conservative Inc. superstars else have said and associated with people saying similar things or worse at a much more advanced point in their political and mental development.

Still not sure why they haven't hit him with the whole "fuck the troops" episode he had with the irony bros though. TPUSA really missed the killshot with that one. BoomerCons and others on the fence and not in the know (particularly of who Paul Nehlen is) who otherwise might have agreed with Nick's message against TPUSA would have probably run away quick if they saw that.

Right, I actually like Michelle Malkin, but her associating with Fuentes only muddies her message, because Fuentes obviously opposes open borders for more exceptional reasons than Malkin, and Malkin associating with Fuentes basically kills her messaging when it comes to immigration reform.
I'm not sure if her saying, 'hey you have to take him seriously and he is a up and coming nationalist voice with some following' can be fairly characterized as associating. It isn't like they have coffee over the drafts of their speeches or books or anything.
 
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I'm not sure if her saying, 'hey you have to take him seriously and he is a up and coming nationalist voice with some following' can be fairly characterized as associating. It isn't like they have coffee over the drafts of their speeches or books or anything.
What really has done her in was not denouncing anything he was quoted as saying when directly confronted with the quotes.

What a lot of people like Malkins appear to forget is that their own framing of the argument/narrative doesn't win out just by ignoring counter-arguments/narratives (unless you have control over the platforms). So even if her true position is agreeing with Nick on being anti-immigration or anti-whatever while ignoring anything else he's said, that doesn't get perceived as being her position just by ignoring the arguments coming her way. It's like watching someone arguing on a web forum that is pointing out a fallacy is being used (like the poisoned well fallacy) rather than engaging in a counter argument based on the fact the fallacy was being used. You can have people scream adhominem/slander til the cows come home but it's not going to make people ignore the adhom/slander unless you've got a counter-argument/narrative up your sleeve.
 
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What really has done her in was not denouncing anything he was quoted as saying when directly confronted with the quotes.

What a lot of people like Malkins appear to forget is that their own framing of the argument/narrative doesn't win out just by ignoring counter-arguments/narratives (unless you have control over the platforms). So even if her true position is agreeing with Nick on being anti-immigration or anti-whatever while ignoring anything else he's said, that doesn't get perceived as being her position just by ignoring the arguments coming her way. It's like watching someone arguing on a web forum that is pointing out a fallacy is being used (like the poisoned well fallacy) rather than engaging in a counter argument based on the fact the fallacy was being used. You can have people scream adhominem/slander til the cows come home but it's not going to make people ignore the adhom/slander unless you've got a counter-argument/narrative up your sleeve.
I don't agree with that. I don't think that tactic works on anyone who didn't want to deplatform and smear Malkin anyway.
 
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