Nick Rekieta's Weeb Wars videos & livestreams - MULTIPLE SLURS

[Steve Smyff]

Hanleia lives in Japan, though, right? I assume it'd have been quite complicated to sue her?

If someone wanted to make them pay their just deserts, getting someone in trouble with the law in Japan is interesting ... once those gears start turning, the Japanese "justice" system has north of 90% conviction rate - I've heard claims as high as 98%. What it takes to get the gears grinding on a person, who knows?

I first learned this in a documentary I saw in the 90s and it was repeated again in the recent kerfuffle with Ghosn.

With that conviction rate I always thought they must be pretty damn selective about who to prosecute (it must be a pretty high bar for evidence and strength of case), but reading about the Ghosn case really makes me wonder.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Joe's thoughts on Vic (after a crash course from Rackets):

Vic definitely suffered damage.
Joe would have sued Hanleia and rolled the dice with jurisdictional fuckery, on account she actually called him a pedophile.
"They're claiming Vic's suit was a SLAPP suit? Wow..."
"It's hard for me to believe none of his claims were meritorious."
"I don't know much about anti-SLAPP or the details, but I think he has a good chance in appeals."
He's not a fan of cancel culture.

BuT nO LAwYeRS bUT nicK and tY THiNk vIC Has A CAse!

Also, I think Nick's enthusiasm about the case is rubbing off on him. Could be interesting if he wants to noodle the Vic case too and brings a fresh perspective. He wasn't a bad guest, though Nick dominated the air time. Mostly because Nick loves to talk and Joe was in a new environment and was probably just quiet because of that.

Also something I didn't know: Apparently Chupp's bad day wasn't anything related to a writ of mandamus, it was because Chupp didn't get appointed to the appeals court, and they apparently ghosted him when they denied him.

Don't forget hanleia was talking about rials actual pedo boyfriend and the turds applied it to Vic.

 

[P5Fever]

If someone wanted to make them pay their just deserts, getting someone in trouble with the law in Japan is interesting ... once those gears start turning, the Japanese "justice" system has north of 90% conviction rate - I've heard claims as high as 98%. What it takes to get the gears grinding on a person, who knows?

I first learned this in a documentary I saw in the 90s and it was repeated again in the recent kerfuffle with Ghosn.

With that conviction rate I always thought they must be pretty damn selective about who to prosecute (it must be a pretty high bar for evidence and strength of case), but reading about the Ghosn case really makes me wonder.

The reason the conviction rate is so high is because Japan had a huge problem with corruption in their courts for decades. Why do you think Ace Attorney is such a ridiculous franchise? It’s a parody of the corruption in the Japanese courts. It takes the corruption of real life and cranks it up to eleven.

 

[diskboomer]

Don't forget hanleia was talking about rials actual pedo boyfriend and the turds applied it to Vic.

Ty even had that in the record; and it showed toward actual malice from Funimation, and Rial. As they knew it couldn't have been about Vic, as it was a former Funi employee, and Ex of Rial's.
Yet they still went with it, and "investigated", and fired Vic after the tweet, and story saying it was about him.

 

[Steve Smyff]

I'm not following you here - how do 90% of the Sasaki-Suzuki-Rando-Criminal-Chans (SSRCC)** that the cops bring in get on the wrong side of somebody

1. with political connecitons
2. with money
3. with a grudge against SSRCC
4. who finds out somehow that the SSRCC is in the system
5. motivated to exercise their corrupt connections

to get that 90% conviction rate?

The numbers aren't adding up for me - I might believe like 5 to 10% of criminals [excess above western systems/rates] have a connected person like that in their past, but 80% excess convictions above western court systems? That is a SERIOUSLY messed up rate of corruption - worse than India even.

** post script: I missed Yamada, Yoshida and Nobunaga in there, sorry YYN.

The reason the conviction rate is so high is because Japan had a huge problem with corruption in their courts for decades. Why do you think Ace Attorney is such a ridiculous franchise? It’s a parody of the corruption in the Japanese courts. It takes the corruption of real life and cranks it up to eleven.

 

[Least Concern]

If someone wanted to make them pay their just deserts, getting someone in trouble with the law in Japan is interesting ... once those gears start turning, the Japanese "justice" system has north of 90% conviction rate - I've heard claims as high as 98%. What it takes to get the gears grinding on a person, who knows?

I first learned this in a documentary I saw in the 90s and it was repeated again in the recent kerfuffle with Ghosn.

With that conviction rate I always thought they must be pretty damn selective about who to prosecute (it must be a pretty high bar for evidence and strength of case), but reading about the Ghosn case really makes me wonder.

I've heard these kinds of numbers too (and I stumbled upon the Ghosn story the other day - fascinating stuff), but remember that that's criminal court. This is a civil matter. I couldn't find statistics for civil cases after a brief search, but since no prosecutorial discretion is involved, I suspect the results of such cases to be a lot more nuanced. And that's assuming the civil case would occur in Japan in the first place… wouldn't it actually occur in the US in this case?

 

[Steve Smyff]

yeah, my revenge fantasy was about framing her criminally** (and getting that sweet sweet 90% working in "my" favour) & getting her tossed in jail, not civil stuff.

** and if the 90% comes from aggressive cops & prosecutors arguing in front of prosecutor-friendly judges & juries, not from selective prosecutors only prosecuting the strongest (most-obvious, best-evidenced) cases, how hard can it be to frame someone

I've heard these kinds of numbers too (and I stumbled upon the Ghosn story the other day - fascinating stuff), but remember that that's criminal court. This is a civil matter. I couldn't find statistics for civil cases after a brief search, but since no prosecutorial discretion is involved, I suspect the results of such cases to be a lot more nuanced. And that's assuming the civil case would occur in Japan in the first place… wouldn't it actually occur in the US in this case?

 

[AnOminous]

Hanleia lives in Japan, though, right? I assume it'd have been quite complicated to sue her?

Suing her wouldn't be the problem. Actually serving her would be.

From what Nick was saying, that's basically it. Chupp must have been stewing in butthurt for three days and then had to deal with retarded chinese cartoon voices.

Well if so it would be ironic that he followed up his tard rage on not getting a job on the appeals court by proving that he wasn't fit to be on it. There's no room for tard rage on an appeals court.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Suing her wouldn't be the problem. Actually serving her would be.

Yeah, suing her would have been overall difficult.

For one thing, her original tweet didn't mention Vic by name, except in a second tweet, which was just a screenshot of something that someone else said:

🍌🐟 on Twitter: "A friend linked me this Cw underage sexual assault……

archived 20 Jan 2019 22:01:10 UTC

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Vic's lawsuit would have had to establish that she was talking about him in the first tweet, and/or that her second tweet was actionable defamation on its own. That could probably be done, but it complicates the argument.

Second, she was just a random Twitter handle; her dox wasn't known until a couple of months later (based on when the dox were archived, that'd be March 10... she apparently didn't have a thread until July 2, though). Vic would have had to sue her based on a pseudonymous Twitter handle, and probably would've had to obtain discovery from Twitter to actually track down her real identity... I'm not sure if the farm's efforts in compiling her dox would have even been usable for proving who she was in a legal context. I suspect probably not.

Third, it's unlikely that her tweet would have done any damage on its own. She was a literal nobody, some random ass-mad fujoshit, bitching about someone who ass-mad fujoshits had been bitching about for a decade because he wouldn't sign their gay incest child porn artwork. She could've argued that she wasn't really responsible for the harm to Vic that was primarily caused by other people, who had more relevance and credibility, picking up the accusations of sexual misconduct and blasting them to much larger audiences.

And of course, let's not forget that she probably has no money and nothing worth taking. Suing her would have been a purely symbolic gesture.

Pretty much every aspect of trying to sue her would have been complicated.

edit: it would've also been much harder to show actual malice, just in case Vic ends up being ruled a public figure of some kind.

 

[In Heaven]

I'm not following you here - how do 90% of the Sasaki-Suzuki-Rando-Criminal-Chans (SSRCC) that the cops bring in get on the wrong side of somebody

1. with political connecitons
2. with money
3. with a grudge against SSRCC
4. who finds out somehow that the SSRCC is in the system
5. motivated to exercise their corrupt connections

to get that 90% conviction rate?

The numbers aren't adding up for me - I might believe like 5 to 10% of criminals [excess above western systems/rates] have a connected person like that in their past, but 80% excess convictions above western court systems? That is a SERIOUSLY messed up rate of corruption - worse than India even.

I remember hearing that Japan's court systems run under the assumption "guilty until proven innocent," so maybe that has something to do with it?

 

[Basil II]

Didn't Fruit Moot already talk with McAfee on a stream once, and his take away was basically 'never meet your heroes?" Or was that somebody else?

I had a short convo with Feeder Moot in chat and he thinks McAfee is bullshitting for attention.

 

[waffle]

I'm not following you here - how do 90% of the Sasaki-Suzuki-Rando-Criminal-Chans (SSRCC) that the cops bring in get on the wrong side of somebody

1. with political connecitons
2. with money
3. with a grudge against SSRCC
4. who finds out somehow that the SSRCC is in the system
5. motivated to exercise their corrupt connections

to get that 90% conviction rate?

The numbers aren't adding up for me - I might believe like 5 to 10% of criminals [excess above western systems/rates] have a connected person like that in their past, but 80% excess convictions above western court systems? That is a SERIOUSLY messed up rate of corruption - worse than India even.

The long story short version is that to get a conviction in Japan you almost have to confess to the crime and give some iota of evidence that the cops couldn't have known without the confession/only the guilty party could know.

The way they get that high conviction rate is that the cops only arrest people when they're virtually sure that they have the right guy, and then they isolate them with no food for days and/or kick the shit out of then until they confess. if they get corroborating evidence from/with your confession the law basically doesn't care how they got the confession. The corruption comes in in two big ways 1) if they get the wrong guy and/or they can't corroborate the confession the Court just goes "lol I'm sure our fine upstanding officers would never kicks the shit out of a suspect, quit lieing" and 2) they cook the books hard on whats considered a crime, and if no suspect is apparent in short order it will be ruled a suicide/accdient/lol that didn't happen/etc.

 

[Kosher Salt]

I had a short convo with Feeder Moot in chat and he thinks McAfee is bullshitting for attention.

McAfee, bullshitting for attention? Come on, next thing you'll be trying to tell me that water is still wet.

 

[Basil II]

McAfee, bullshitting for attention? Come on, next thing you'll be trying to tell me that water is still wet.

not the stuff he talks about being bullshit like the whale fucking and shit eating but his whole "i am a badass fugitive" larp.

 

[AnOminous]

Pretty much every aspect of trying to sue her would have been complicated.

Everyone reading it knew who she was talking about and responded as if they did. That part wouldn't have been at all difficult, ordinarily. The rest would have been but that's because it would have been heard in Clown Court and been thrown out at the same TCPA hearing. Actually proving damages even if he won would be an issue because people had been making nonsense claims like this for years with no real impact on Vic's reputation. That's why he's suing people whose word carried actual weight.

 

[Friend computer]

Everyone reading it knew who she was talking about and responded as if they did. That part wouldn't have been at all difficult, ordinarily. The rest would have been but that's because it would have been heard in Clown Court and been thrown out at the same TCPA hearing. Actually proving damages even if he won would be an issue because people had been making nonsense claims like this for years with no real impact on Vic's reputation. That's why he's suing people whose word carried actual weight.

I love the precedent that is up right now that everything on twitter that is needed for an lawsuit, the judges would love 10000 pages of twitter nonsense on their tables...

 

[MadPanda]

If someone wanted to make them pay their just deserts, getting someone in trouble with the law in Japan is interesting ... once those gears start turning, the Japanese "justice" system has north of 90% conviction rate - I've heard claims as high as 98%. What it takes to get the gears grinding on a person, who knows?

I first learned this in a documentary I saw in the 90s and it was repeated again in the recent kerfuffle with Ghosn.

With that conviction rate I always thought they must be pretty damn selective about who to prosecute (it must be a pretty high bar for evidence and strength of case), but reading about the Ghosn case really makes me wonder.

From what I remember hearing about the extremely high criminal conviction rate in Japan, the reasons are because:

1,) The justice system there is very VERY careful about what cases they pursuit(to the point that many of the citizens can get away with lower crimes if there is doubt), so if they believe they got a case, then they will pursue it. People will say that this is being extremely thorough and a good thing, but again this allows a lot of lesser crimes to happen as a result.

2,) There is a sort of national pride that the system CANNOT BE WRONG under any means necessary. The country wants their citizens to trust their judgement and making these mistakes cannot be allowed(even to the point of trying to find a reason for the person to be guilty).

This is a primary example of what I am referring to

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

www.scmp.com

If this is the story I remember, even one of the judges believed it was bullshit, but claimed he felt he had to for internal pressure. That he could not go against the system that Japan has, for to do so would cast doubt in the government.

edit: Because I know there are some Japanese citizens here and Japanophiles(it is fucking weeb wars after all), so ill preemptively say that I am not stating that Japan is a bad place or anything. In fact there are good things about it, just like most nations. All I am stating is that when people tout the whole "low crime rate" and "high conviction rate" to exclaim how good or bad Japan is, that there are reasons for it. Every nation has problems obviously.

 

[Bender]

From what I remember hearing about the extremely high criminal conviction rate in Japan, the reasons are because:

1,) The justice system there is very VERY careful about what cases they pursuit(to the point that many of the citizens can get away with lower crimes if there is doubt), so if they believe they got a case, then they will pursue it. People will say that this is being extremely thorough and a good thing, but again this allows a lot of lesser crimes to happen as a result.

2,) There is a sort of national pride that the system CANNOT BE WRONG under any means necessary. The country wants their citizens to trust their judgement and making these mistakes cannot be allowed(even to the point of trying to find a reason for the person to be guilty).

This is a primary example of what I am referring to

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

www.scmp.com

If this is the story I remember, even one of the judges believed it was bullshit, but claimed he felt he had to for internal pressure. That he could not go against the system that Japan has, for to do so would cast doubt in the government.

edit: Because I know there are some Japanese citizens here and Japanophiles(it is fucking weeb wars after all), so ill preemptively say that I am not stating that Japan is a bad place or anything. In fact there are good things about it, just like most nations. All I am stating is that when people tout the whole "low crime rate" and "high conviction rate" to exclaim how good or bad Japan is, that there are reasons for it. Every nation has problems obviously.

I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.

 

[MadPanda]

I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.

Actually I remember hearing a case of a foreigner that was accused of shoplifting. They were held for a year before they felt it was just best to confess, but they did not want to because they said they did not do it. You have issues such as you cannot have your lawyer present while being questioned does not really help.

You would think the embassy could do something about that, but all they can really do is relay messages on your behalf.

I mean again this isnt being hateful to japan. I mean they dont seem to just arrest for having a bad day or looking at the wrong, like they seem to do in the US and the EU, but their system is designed that if they think you are guilty, then you are guilty and new evidence or testimonies be damned.

 

[Urbanmech]

I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.

It's just a combination of a lot of things on why they have the conviction rate they do. One thing getting overlooked is their culture, being accused of a crime seems to be worse over there than in western countries. So people may also just confess to keep it quiet and not draw attention to it to avoid the shame, along with the other factors.