Disaster Nine American Citizens Killed in Highway Attack in Mexico -

Should the US make war against Mexican cartels?

  • Yes. We have to take revenge for American citizens killed by these bastards.

    Votes: 19 8.4%
  • No. It will be just like [Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan], except more costly and inefficient.

    Votes: 30 13.3%
  • Maybe/I don't know/I'm not sure

    Votes: 14 6.2%
  • Only if the GOOD weed isn't touched

    Votes: 24 10.7%
  • We need to just glass Mexico. The cartels run that state at this point.

    Votes: 138 61.3%

  • Total voters
    225

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Yeah, killing Mormons to Joe US Newsconsumer equates to doing a driveby on the 19year old "elders" that come a-knocking; we're probably more in the territory of Mountain Meadows Massacre. Mormons are hardcore and even if the LDS in Utah proper is relatively mellowed, FLDS branches are anything but. See also Blood atonement; wikipedia on Mormonism and violence (yes, Wikipedia is syphilitic but at least it's a jumping off point for further resarch)
My understanding is that the main line church came to the realization that it wasn’t an insular frontier church and de facto government anymore around the end of the 19th century. There wasn’t a mob of Protestants looking to wipe them out like in the early years and they couldn’t sustain their communities without outside converts and abandoning self-destructive social norms.

They chalk it up to the Lord revealing a better way, but it likely had a lot to do with wanting a fighting chance at winning converts in a world that was rapidly evolving from industrialization and changing morals. Certain traditions associated with the church usually didn’t play well in the age of the printing press, and definitely wouldn’t in the age of the telegraph.

So to help spread the word they decided to drop the whole “plural marriage” and “armed secret enforcers” and “using capital punishment for weird blood rituals” thing. The FLDS then said nah we’re good we kinda like that stuff and the mainstream media has been confusing the two to this day. The LDS insist that God told them to knock it off, and the FLDS decided not to acknowledge the church authority anymore.

I’m not as familiar with the Church’s settlements in the West and Mexico, but my understanding is that by and large they got in line, with a few nutty exceptions.
 

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The biggest way to stick it to the cartels is by legalizing pot. It is time and this could serve as a convenient catalyst.
They're already the biggest suppliers of illegal fentanyl, not to mention the heroin, methamphetamine and cocaine they supply. Take away one source of their income and they will just flood the market with other drugs.
 

Spooky Bones

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The biggest way to stick it to the cartels is by legalizing pot. It is time and this could serve as a convenient catalyst.
>dude weed lmao

Utterly asinine. This is a great way to increase violence by getting the cartels fighting over what remains, and more involved in nastier crimes like human trafficking and kidnapping and harder drugs.

If we were to legalize drugs the only way to stop the collapse of the Mexican government would be to treat with the cartels like they were foreign powers in their own right that needed to be brought to the table; something like the guerillas in Colombia and the demobilization programs that go on there with some degree of success (although still many of them wind up involved in organized crime.)

Not saying I'm not opposed to drug legalization per se but the idea that it would cut down on violence is just shortsighted and stupid. It would open up flood gates of violence for at least a decade, collapse the Mexican government's power structure and economics, and what would emerge God only knows.

My understanding is that the main line church came to the realization that it wasn’t an insular frontier church and de facto government anymore around the end of the 19th century. There wasn’t a mob of Protestants looking to wipe them out like in the early years and they couldn’t sustain their communities without outside converts and abandoning self-destructive social norms.

They chalk it up to the Lord revealing a better way, but it likely had a lot to do with wanting a fighting chance at winning converts in a world that was rapidly evolving from industrialization and changing morals. Certain traditions associated with the church usually didn’t play well in the age of the printing press, and definitely wouldn’t in the age of the telegraph.

So to help spread the word they decided to drop the whole “plural marriage” and “armed secret enforcers” and “using capital punishment for weird blood rituals” thing. The FLDS then said nah we’re good we kinda like that stuff and the mainstream media has been confusing the two to this day. The LDS insist that God told them to knock it off, and the FLDS decided not to acknowledge the church authority anymore.

I’m not as familiar with the Church’s settlements in the West and Mexico, but my understanding is that by and large they got in line, with a few nutty exceptions.
Pretty sure the Mexicans in question are among the nutty exceptions; that's my point, more or less. Family friendly whitebread Romenyfag Mormons they are not.
 

Spooky Bones

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Literally just legalise drugs you dumb boomer

That's what will stop cartels, prohibition just causes them
>dude weed lmao
I just responded to the same faggotry in the other thread. No. This is just plain wrong. Legalizing drugs would create complete chaos South of the border by depriving these gentlemen of their livelihood.
 

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Pretty sure the Mexicans in question are among the nutty exceptions; that's my point, more or less. Family friendly whitebread Romenyfag Mormons they are not.
Yes they definitely are. The mainline church is very strict about people trying to claim membership while being fundamentalists and go to great lengths to make sure that the two are not confused.
 
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jellycar

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They were idiots
In a cult
In dangerous territory

It's sad about the children. Nobody deserves to lose a child
But oh my god what idiots.

This is exactly like that dumb Asian boy who thought he could evangelize that uncharted group of people. He was told repeatedly not to engage. His corpse was later found.

Moral of the story: abolish Mormonism
 

Zaragoza

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Ok let's just disband the police and army then, new enemies and criminals Will just take the place of the old ones after all.
Why shower? You'll just get dirty again.
After the collapse of both the Medellin and Cali Cartels of Colombia, the Colombian government started putting more emphasis on building a stronger police force while at the same time working on social programs to prevent children from poorer areas from choosing the cartel way of life, both solutions worked on clamping down on criminal activities in Colombia while at the same time making the country safe again after the events of both Pablo Escobar and the cocaine epidemic in the US that gave the cartels fuel to combat against the federal government. We can look at Colombia's situation right now and apply that to Mexico because of how effective it is on providing a much more stable society and tackling certain aspects of society that gave children the incentive to join the criminal underworld. It may not solve all problems affecting both Mexican and American society but it's a start, problem is it's not going to be an overnight thing but more of a generational.
 

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After the collapse of both the Medellin and Cali Cartels of Colombia, the Colombian government started putting more emphasis on building a stronger police force while at the same time working on social programs to prevent children from poorer areas from choosing the cartel way of life, both solutions worked on clamping down on criminal activities in Colombia while at the same time making the country safe again after the events of both Pablo Escobar and the cocaine epidemic in the US that gave the cartels fuel to combat against the federal government. We can look at Colombia's situation right now and apply that to Mexico because of how effective it is on providing a much more stable society and tackling certain aspects of society that gave children the incentive to join the criminal underworld. It may not solve all problems affecting both Mexican and American society but it's a start, problem is it's not going to be an overnight thing but more of a generational.
It also wont solve the more immediate problem. The cartel violence in Mexico has killed over 200,000 people over the last decade and the recent mexican election the current president won on a campaign promise to....do nothing. Cuz war never solves anything guise.

Which is all fine and dandy if the violence stays south of the border. If these cartels start to think they can act with impunity against Americans though shit will get real, real fast. America is not known for restraint if some third worlders upset our little American Dream and remind us there are nasty people out there. The best way to prevent this from happening IMO is a forceful response, now. Figure out which cartel was responsible and send the Green Berets on a kill/capture missions for its senior leadership. And then drop some VERY big bombs in the desert outside the cities they operate in. Doesnt matter where. Maybe on some donkey sheds and then claim they were drug labs or something. Not the point. The point will be everyone in town will wake up to the sound of thunder and find out as the sun rises the dude who ran the local narco state is in America, either in chains or a body bag. Mexicos government will screech and hand wring for a week and it will be business as usual after that.
 

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After the collapse of both the Medellin and Cali Cartels of Colombia, the Colombian government started putting more emphasis on building a stronger police force while at the same time working on social programs to prevent children from poorer areas from choosing the cartel way of life, both solutions worked on clamping down on criminal activities in Colombia while at the same time making the country safe again after the events of both Pablo Escobar and the cocaine epidemic in the US that gave the cartels fuel to combat against the federal government. We can look at Colombia's situation right now and apply that to Mexico because of how effective it is on providing a much more stable society and tackling certain aspects of society that gave children the incentive to join the criminal underworld. It may not solve all problems affecting both Mexican and American society but it's a start, problem is it's not going to be an overnight thing but more of a generational.
Colombia is absolutely a model. An imperfect one, but as good as there is. There are significant differences of course in that there were overtly political guerilla groups who got involved with drugs and then there was overlap in their raison d'être between politics (both left and right) and narcotrafficking whereas the Mexican cartels are purely criminal entities which gained a political dimension via the actuality of holding power, but still, the on-the-ground political mechanics are rather similar and rather similar efforts will need to be taken to eradicate them. Neither an entirely military nor an entirely judicial model will work to deal with these quasi-political, quasi-criminal non-state actors.
 

Marissa Moira

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Legalizing weed won't stop the cartels, they make a shitload of money off child prostitution and human trafficking both of which won't be legalized anytime soon.

Children can be transported to pimps for around $100,000 a head. They make up that money within a week, weed is not that profitable compared to child sex slaves and child porn. Especially since you need to spend time and resources to grow the weed, where as kids you can abduct for free.

But lol they basically fucked themselves by shooting a bunch of Mormons, the party is over I think, it's an election year which means this will become an issue with the Cartels.
 

sperginity

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Christ, even the fucking Mormons in Mexico are dope runners?
fundamentalist mormons sell drugs, gambling, booze, etc to people who aren't mormons. The original mormons in utah did that to non-mormons passing through all the time, and ripped them off whenever possible. It is called "bleeding the beast" to profit off of non-mormons sinning. The squeaky clean image of mormonism is pretty new, like the 50s or 60s iirc, before that people rightly thought they were scary and insane, like the fallout new vegas mormons.
We fight pointless wars, rig elections, and install puppet governments overseas all the time, yet we can't be fucked to deal with the small army on our own doorstep. Can we convince the cartels to start shipping drugs to Israel or something? Maybe then we will actually do something about it.
All of that is the political equivalent of poo touching. It isn't a good idea to do to far away countries, but it is a worse idea to do it to a country you're stuck next to forever.
 
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