World North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

Will our great nation The Democratic People's Republic of Korea succeed?

  • Dear leader will guide us to glory

  • Everyone goes to the labor prisons

  • Trump nukes Kim Jong Un a new anus

  • DPRK starves to death before anything interesting happens


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Jigglyjogglers

The Doctor Bashir guy
True & Honest Fan
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This is pretty :offtopic: though, and I don't think it's really an issue when it comes to North Korea.
Correct. Without a nuclear arsenal North Korea is an extremely limited threat to anyone but South Korea. Even if we gave them ten years of complete noninterference and let them do whatever the fuck they want other than making nuclear missiles... hell, assume we gave them South Korea, if that was something we could do... they are never going to be able to field a force that would be able to do what the Nazis did. They cannot conquer anything off of their own landmass. They just don't have the troops or infrastructure for it. Even if they clapped a helmet on the head, rifle in the hand, and explosive collar around the neck of every single one of their citizens and tried to ship them somewhere to stage an invasion, they can't do jack shit but cause some chaos. Where would they try it? Japan? We'd have American troops deployed there in huge numbers so fast you'd think they announced free pussy at the soaplands. China? Even if the Norks weren't China's bitch, and even with the fact that most of China's military equipment is shitty knockoffs of our stuff that Bill Clinton sold them the plans to, the sheer number of Chinese military, and Chinese people, would mean the Koreans would be able to do fuckall without support or backup from someone else, and no one would give it specifically because they can't win.

It was dangerous to appease the Nazis because they had an entire continent to spread out over and make use of, as well as the capability and forces to take over the infrastructure of conquered areas and make use of it. Even if what we were doing with North Korea was "appeasement", without reliably working intercontinental missiles and the capability to go nuclear they're like a step and a half up from harmless.
 

PS1gamenwatch

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http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2151149/japan-and-south-korea-nuclear-threat-far-over

For Japan and South Korea, nuclear threat far from over

Despite what the US president claims, the Kim regime remains as dangerous as ever. While the summit deal is reason for optimism, the reality is Pyongyang has broken promises to disarm before

The difference between reality and rhetoric has been obvious ever since Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump held their historic meeting in Singapore. The American president tweeted upon returning to the United States that the world could now rest easy as “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea”.

But East Asians, especially South Koreans and Japanese, know otherwise; the document the two leaders signed was vague and has done nothing to lessen the threat from Pyongyang’s bombs and missiles.

Only when the sides have worked out details, including a timetable for Pyongyang to dismantle its arsenal, submit to inspections and verification, and begin the process of decommissioning, can the region indeed rest easier.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has taken the path of realism in briefing President Xi Jinping and his Chinese, Japanese and South Korean counterparts.

He contradicted North Korean state media suggestions that international sanctions would soon be rolled back, contending they would remain until there was complete denuclearisation.

Trump’s announcement that war games between American and South Korean troops would be suspended on grounds of being provocative to Pyongyang was also tempered, with the president and his top diplomat separately clarifying that the matter was dependent on negotiations taking place “in good faith”. Such remarks acknowledge North Korea remains a threat.

That is why Japan and South Korea are as in need of security guarantees from any agreement as North Korea. Pyongyang has promised “complete denuclearisation” several times before, and when talks were not to its liking, turned its back and resumed weapons development and testing. It is premature to say the threat posed has gone or that the summit has made a substantial change.

Pompeo anticipates Pyongyang will undertake “major disarmament” by 2021. He said discussions to begin the process would begin in a week.

But the North’s scrapping of its nuclear facilities and missiles could take a decade or more and there are bound to be challenges. There is reason for optimism, but rhetoric should not cloud the truth.
 
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Coconut Gun

He's the gun member of the coconut crew
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http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2151149/japan-and-south-korea-nuclear-threat-far-over

For Japan and South Korea, nuclear threat far from over

Despite what the US president claims, the Kim regime remains as dangerous as ever. While the summit deal is reason for optimism, the reality is Pyongyang has broken promises to disarm before

The difference between reality and rhetoric has been obvious ever since Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump held their historic meeting in Singapore. The American president tweeted upon returning to the United States that the world could now rest easy as “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea”.

But East Asians, especially South Koreans and Japanese, know otherwise; the document the two leaders signed was vague and has done nothing to lessen the threat from Pyongyang’s bombs and missiles.

Only when the sides have worked out details, including a timetable for Pyongyang to dismantle its arsenal, submit to inspections and verification, and begin the process of decommissioning, can the region indeed rest easier.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has taken the path of realism in briefing President Xi Jinping and his Chinese, Japanese and South Korean counterparts.

He contradicted North Korean state media suggestions that international sanctions would soon be rolled back, contending they would remain until there was complete denuclearisation.

Trump’s announcement that war games between American and South Korean troops would be suspended on grounds of being provocative to Pyongyang was also tempered, with the president and his top diplomat separately clarifying that the matter was dependent on negotiations taking place “in good faith”. Such remarks acknowledge North Korea remains a threat.

That is why Japan and South Korea are as in need of security guarantees from any agreement as North Korea. Pyongyang has promised “complete denuclearisation” several times before, and when talks were not to its liking, turned its back and resumed weapons development and testing. It is premature to say the threat posed has gone or that the summit has made a substantial change.

Pompeo anticipates Pyongyang will undertake “major disarmament” by 2021. He said discussions to begin the process would begin in a week.

But the North’s scrapping of its nuclear facilities and missiles could take a decade or more and there are bound to be challenges. There is reason for optimism, but rhetoric should not cloud the truth.
>Chinese media
Our attack dog still has teeth for the next few years, so please be afraid still.
 

Gus

Interlocutor
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Nuclear armament in the DPRK has never been anything more than a scared dog showing teeth and growling at a shotgun.

They were never in a position to do offensive war, so they were never going to try anything - I think they had a good idea of what would happen if they were to. To doubt that is to doubt a basic human faculty to adapt and survive, and that's just silly.

I don't doubt that there are aggressive, nationalistic tendencies there, and a desire to reunite the country, but I think over time, it just became less and less feasible to them, and they became more and more concerned with being invaded. So they did what Castro tried, and got ahold of nuclear weapons to scare off possible military interference.
 

The Great Chandler

"Pickleless girls don't marry virgin boys"
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http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2151149/japan-and-south-korea-nuclear-threat-far-over

For Japan and South Korea, nuclear threat far from over

Despite what the US president claims, the Kim regime remains as dangerous as ever. While the summit deal is reason for optimism, the reality is Pyongyang has broken promises to disarm before

The difference between reality and rhetoric has been obvious ever since Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump held their historic meeting in Singapore. The American president tweeted upon returning to the United States that the world could now rest easy as “there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea”.

But East Asians, especially South Koreans and Japanese, know otherwise; the document the two leaders signed was vague and has done nothing to lessen the threat from Pyongyang’s bombs and missiles.

Only when the sides have worked out details, including a timetable for Pyongyang to dismantle its arsenal, submit to inspections and verification, and begin the process of decommissioning, can the region indeed rest easier.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has taken the path of realism in briefing President Xi Jinping and his Chinese, Japanese and South Korean counterparts.

He contradicted North Korean state media suggestions that international sanctions would soon be rolled back, contending they would remain until there was complete denuclearisation.

Trump’s announcement that war games between American and South Korean troops would be suspended on grounds of being provocative to Pyongyang was also tempered, with the president and his top diplomat separately clarifying that the matter was dependent on negotiations taking place “in good faith”. Such remarks acknowledge North Korea remains a threat.

That is why Japan and South Korea are as in need of security guarantees from any agreement as North Korea. Pyongyang has promised “complete denuclearisation” several times before, and when talks were not to its liking, turned its back and resumed weapons development and testing. It is premature to say the threat posed has gone or that the summit has made a substantial change.

Pompeo anticipates Pyongyang will undertake “major disarmament” by 2021. He said discussions to begin the process would begin in a week.

But the North’s scrapping of its nuclear facilities and missiles could take a decade or more and there are bound to be challenges. There is reason for optimism, but rhetoric should not cloud the truth.
TL;DR:
Media flip flops.
 

TowinKarz

Thoroughly Unimpressed
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If it does happen, nobody's going to see it coming, kinda like how the Soviet satellite states all just quietly imploded in the 90's without warning and without a shot being fired, save Romania where the citizenry had been sitting on bullets marked specifically for Ceausescu and his wife for a looooooooooooong time..... but I digress.


Nobody expected it, and it happened so fast, nobody had time to catch the body before it hit the floor.... metaphorically.

You can't make the regional powers-that-be agree on how to reunite Korea, they'll never agree on the particulars of who gets what. But, if it kinda falls apart on it's own, the same disagreements mean they can't form a consensus on how to reestablish the old status quo together, and you get those odd non-shooting non-violent revolutions where an ideology/dictatorship/totalitarian nation just.....organically gives up.
 

Derp Potato

Just a Spud doing spud things
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NK has always been "angry" at the training that would take place in SK and around it. Every year, every time, without fault. They know we do training. They know nothing happens. They still need to yell about how angry they are about it. All show, likely to keep eyes off China.

There's also thousands of US troops on mainland Japan, Japanese islands, SK, Aussieland, on MEUs that go around to the rest of SE Asia, etc etc that NK knows if they ever were to do something, they'd be slaughtered.
 

PS1gamenwatch

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http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/20/18/japan-philippines-agree-sanctions-on-north-korea-should-remain-in-place

Japan, Philippines agree sanctions on North Korea should remain in place
Kyodo News
Posted at Jun 20 2018 04:42 PM | Updated as of Jun 20 2018 04:43 PM

TOKYO—The foreign ministers of Japan and the Philippines on Wednesday agreed that UN sanctions against North Korea need to be strictly implemented for it to take meaningful action toward denuclearization.

During a meeting here with Filipino counterpart Alan Peter Cayetano, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono stressed the need for North Korea to take "concrete" steps following the unprecedented US-North Korea summit on June 12 in Singapore, according to the Japanese Foreign Ministry.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula at the summit, but a joint statement issued with US President Donald Trump lacked details on how to fulfill that promise.


Kono and Cayetano also discussed the situation in the South China Sea, where China has been aggressive in pushing its territorial claims and continuing with its militarization of artificial islands in the area, the ministry said.

Kono said Japan is ready to strengthen cooperation on maritime security with the Philippines and Cayetano welcomed Tokyo's proposal, it said.

The Philippines, along with some other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, has overlapping territorial claims with China in the disputed sea.

During the meeting that lasted about one hour, the two ministers also discussed issues ranging from terrorism to infrastructure-building, and agreed to deepen bilateral ties, according to the ministry.
 

neverendingmidi

it just goes on and on and on and on...
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http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/06/20/18/japan-philippines-agree-sanctions-on-north-korea-should-remain-in-place

Japan, Philippines agree sanctions on North Korea should remain in place
Kyodo News
Posted at Jun 20 2018 04:42 PM | Updated as of Jun 20 2018 04:43 PM

TOKYO—The foreign ministers of Japan and the Philippines on Wednesday agreed that UN sanctions against North Korea need to be strictly implemented for it to take meaningful action toward denuclearization.

During a meeting here with Filipino counterpart Alan Peter Cayetano, Japanese Foreign Minister Taro Kono stressed the need for North Korea to take "concrete" steps following the unprecedented US-North Korea summit on June 12 in Singapore, according to the Japanese Foreign Ministry.

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula at the summit, but a joint statement issued with US President Donald Trump lacked details on how to fulfill that promise.


Kono and Cayetano also discussed the situation in the South China Sea, where China has been aggressive in pushing its territorial claims and continuing with its militarization of artificial islands in the area, the ministry said.

Kono said Japan is ready to strengthen cooperation on maritime security with the Philippines and Cayetano welcomed Tokyo's proposal, it said.

The Philippines, along with some other members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, has overlapping territorial claims with China in the disputed sea.

During the meeting that lasted about one hour, the two ministers also discussed issues ranging from terrorism to infrastructure-building, and agreed to deepen bilateral ties, according to the ministry.
Good. I wonder if the previous leader screwed up by having this son educated in the west. He knows quite well all the things his country doesn't have. He's a tyrant, but a tyrant who looks out and sees a small, shitty fiefdom, and remembers how much nicer his private school was in Switzerland.

Putting the squeeze on this fat, spoiled, little shit will probably work far better than it would have on his more hardened father or grandfather.
 

millais

The Yellow Rose of Victoria, Texas
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Good. I wonder if the previous leader screwed up by having this son educated in the west. He knows quite well all the things his country doesn't have. He's a tyrant, but a tyrant who looks out and sees a small, shitty fiefdom, and remembers how much nicer his private school was in Switzerland.

Putting the squeeze on this fat, spoiled, little shit will probably work far better than it would have on his more hardened father or grandfather.
When he was young, Kim Jong-Un was way in the back of the Kim Dynasty's line of succession (of course after the older brothers were passed over for being fuckups, he got booted to the front), so they didn't start specially prepping him for the role until he was already a young man.
 

Arse Biscuit

Horrible Bastard
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Appeasement was done by Chamberlain for two reasons.

1) The public at large did not want a major war at this point; the Great War had completely ruined Britains finances and eviscerated a generation.
2) Britain was not ready for another massive war on the scale of the Great War, the 20's and early 30's were financially disastrous and had done a number on military development. Britain needed time to build up in order to prepare, and appeasement bought time.
Sure. It bought time for Hitler to take the Czechs and the Poles, and stockpile a world of hurt for the French & English, because Chamberlain's cowardice let the entire thing happen on Hitler's schedule.
 

Shugo

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It's HK-47

Meatbag's Bounty of Bodies
True & Honest Fan
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I wish they'd bother to tell us which order they're talking about, because Executive Order 13840 was published yesterday, but it makes no mention at all about North Korea, and none of the quotations they're citing even show up anywhere in this EO. I don't see anything in here about a continuation of any other EO, either. In fact there's a revocation in here for Executive Order 13547, but neither of these mention North Korea or sanctions anywhere. I don't see any proclamations, memorandums, determinations, or notices about North Korea for that date they're citing, either.

I wouldn't be ready to call bullshit on it just yet, but as it stands I legitimately don't know what EO they're even referring to or quoting from in this article. That's why you're supposed to specify these things, Guardian. I'd love to read the goddamned thing but I don't know where or what the Hell they're even talking about.

Edit: Nope, nevermind, there it is. Could have saved me a lot of legwork and just linked me to the damned thing, Guardian.
 
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Shugo

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I wish they'd bother to tell us which order they're talking about, because Executive Order 13840 was published yesterday, but it makes no mention at all about North Korea, and none of the quotations they're citing even show up anywhere in this EO. I don't see anything in here about a continuation of any other EO, either. In fact there's a revocation in here for Executive Order 13547, but neither of these mention North Korea or sanctions anywhere. I don't see any proclamations, memorandums, determinations, or notices about North Korea for that date they're citing, either.

I wouldn't be ready to call bullshit on it just yet, but as it stands I legitimately don't know what EO they're even referring to or quoting from in this article. That's why you're supposed to specify these things, Guardian. I'd love to read the goddamned thing but I don't know where or what the Hell they're even talking about.

Edit: Nope, nevermind, there it is. Could have saved me a lot of legwork and just linked me to the damned thing, Guardian.
So yeah, it's just an extension of previous executive orders, set to expire June 26, 2018 that continue to impose sanctions on North Korea, something Trump has already said will continue for the foreseeable future.

The National Emergencies Act requires the president to follow certain procedures in order to continue the national emergency.

They probably didn't link it because all the (2) links on their shitty "news" story just point to other guardian articles, or a guardian search page for an entire topic instead of real sources.
 
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