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U.S. suspends more military drills with South Korea


WASHINGTON -- Secretary of Defense James Mattis has "indefinitely suspended" military exercises with South Korea following the Singapore summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, Lt. Col Christopher Logan, a Pentagon spokesperson, said Friday. Mattis suspended the Freedom Guardian exercise along with two Korean Marine Exchange Program training exercises scheduled to take place in the next three months, Logan said.

The Ulchi Freedom Guardian drills are largely computer-simulated war games held every summer and have drawn furious responses from North Korea, which views them an invasion rehearsal.

On Friday, Mattis with met with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joe Dunford and Mr. Trump's national security advisor John Bolton to discuss ways to "implement the results" of this month's Singapore summit.


"In support of upcoming diplomatic negotiations led by Secretary Pompeo, additional decisions will depend upon the DPRK continuing to have productive negotiations in good faith," Logan said.

North Korea typically responds to South Korea-U.S. military exercises with weapons tests and a string of belligerent rhetoric. During last year's Ulchi Freedom Guardian drills, North Korea test-fired a submarine-launched ballistic missile that flew about 310 miles in the longest flight by that type of weapon. Days after the drills, the North carried out its fifth and biggest nuclear test to date.
 

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Changes in North Korean propaganda reflects atmosphere of detente
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Image captionThis poster calls for an easing of tension to counter "the danger of war"

Over the past few months, it seems, North Korea's propaganda has been changing its tune.

Banners and posters displayed across the capital and other towns have typically featured the US as a brutal imperialist aggressor and South Korea or Japan as Washington's willing allies.

But visitors to the country say they've seen those posters replaced by propaganda pushing economic progress and the inter-Korean rapprochement.

Leading newspapers in the tightly controlled country have also seen a shift in tone, a sign the country is starting to reflect its recent diplomatic thaw to the people.

US no longer an enemy?
The vast majority of North Koreans have very little access to information, so state media and propaganda have a far greater impact than elsewhere in the world.

With the US traditionally depicted as the main enemy, propaganda has not held back on showing how Pyongyang would respond, depicting missiles destroying the US or troops crushing invaders.

The posters are meant to inspire patriotism, build confidence in the leadership and a give sense that the struggles of life are for the greater glory of the nation.

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Image captionThe old posters call for "merciless revenge" and US destruction
"The harsh posters go up usually only when things are bad internationally," Andray Abrahamian of Griffith University told the BBC.

"They signal tough times and a tougher line on the US to the citizens of North Korea. They come down when tensions abate."

So when times are more positive, the propaganda will be too.

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Image captionThese posters following the inter-Korean summit call for peace and unification
After months of belligerent war threats, North Korea this year held historic summits with both South Korea and the US, pledging - albeit in vague terms - to give up its cherished nuclear arsenal and work towards peace.

Foreign guides who take tour groups into the closed country say that in recent months, the propaganda narrative has taken a distinctive turn.

In place of the aggressive rhetoric, there is now a focus on more positive messages, praising the Panmunjom Declaration signed at the inter-Korean summit, for example.

"All the anti-American posters I usually see around Kim Il-sung Square and at shops, they've all just gone," Rowan Beard, a tour manager at Young Pioneer Tours, told the Reuters news agency.

"In five years working in North Korea, I've never seen them completely disappear before."

Of course, the new posters are just as much propaganda as the old ones, but they highlight different themes: reunification of the Koreas, economic progress and scientific achievement.

The change follows an internal logic: if talks with the South and the US are being reported as the beginning of possible future co-operation then the two former adversaries have to be displayed in a more neutral and less threatening way.

Why else would Kim Jong-un otherwise sit down for talks with those countries' leaders?

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Image captionThis poster calls for progress in science and technology
"Pyongyang needs an atmosphere of peace and detente and such posters would help to create it," Fyodor Tertitskiy from NK News said.

Even the anti-American trinkets which used to be sold to tourists as souvenirs have begun to change.

No longer, for instance, can you find the postcards, posters or stamps that famously showed North Korean missiles heading for Washington.

"They're always very popular, not very subtle, and, as of now, have all been removed," Simon Cockerell, general manager at Koryo Tours, told Reuters.

Breaking with tradition
The changes in official policy are also reflected in the leading national newspaper, Rodong Sinmun.

There is no free press in North Korea. All media outlets are tightly controlled and anything published or broadcast is carefully vetted to be along official government lines.

Usually the paper would regularly run negative reports about the US, depicting Washington as a hostile force and listing US involvement in conflicts like Syria as a proof of American imperialism.

But leading up to the meeting on 12 June between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump, the normally fiery paper stopped being critical of the US.

Since the summit, it has featured picture-heavy coverage of the meeting, celebrating Mr Kim as a global statesman and peace maker.

Breaking with tradition, TV and newspapers also reported Mr Kim's recent trips - to China and Singapore - in almost real time, whereas previously, it would have taken days for North Koreans to read about it.

Image copyrightRODONG SINMUN
Image captionThe Singapore summit was reported the following day
"In tone, the US is now depicted as if it is a normal country," explains Peter Ward, North Korea expert and writer for NK News.

"All references to US actions that North Korea considers a hostile acts have disappeared from the paper."

There's even what Mr Ward describes as "neutral" coverage of the US quitting the UN human rights council.

"This is fascinating," he explains. "Generally speaking, neutral or positive coverage is normally reserved for countries that Pyongyang has friendly relations with."

With all of North Korea's talks at very early stages so far, it is unclear whether the sudden change of tone is here to stay.

Unless North Korea lives up to the generalised commitments it made at Panmunjom and in Singapore, there will be little sanctions relief in return and so beyond the posters they see every day, little might change for ordinary North Koreans.
 

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  • "NBC quoted five unidentified U.S. officials."
  • "The State Department said it could not confirm it and did not comment on matters of intelligence."
  • "NBC quoted one senior U.S. intelligence official."
  • "According to more than a dozen American officials who are familiar with their assessments."
  • "Four other officials familiar with the intelligence assessment."
  • "NBC News agreed to withhold some details of the latest intelligence assessment that officials said could put sources at risk."
This report and the NBC report it's incestuously reporting really need to step up their game. They don't source anything, they don't name any names, they don't link to a single legitimate document, and more than a few times in here we're getting dangerously close to the line, "Sources familiar with his thinking." These 12+ people might not even fucking exist for all we know. I'm so fed up with "ghost reporting" that tries to make these huge, bombastic claims but offers absolutely no way whatsoever for you to be able to prove whether the journalist is just talking out of their ass or not.

Also, what the fuck is with that last one? "We're going to keep this classified information you blurted out over the phone a secret, but we're going to tell everyone that we have classified information and we're keeping it a secret." That's such a weird thing to put in the article.
 

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  • "NBC quoted five unidentified U.S. officials."
  • "The State Department said it could not confirm it and did not comment on matters of intelligence."
  • "NBC quoted one senior U.S. intelligence official."
  • "According to more than a dozen American officials who are familiar with their assessments."
  • "Four other officials familiar with the intelligence assessment."
  • "NBC News agreed to withhold some details of the latest intelligence assessment that officials said could put sources at risk."
This report and the NBC report it's incestuously reporting really need to step up their game. They don't source anything, they don't name any names, they don't link to a single legitimate document, and more than a few times in here we're getting dangerously close to the line, "Sources familiar with his thinking." These 12+ people might not even fucking exist for all we know. I'm so fed up with "ghost reporting" that tries to make these huge, bombastic claims but offers absolutely no way whatsoever for you to be able to prove whether the journalist is just talking out of their ass or not.

Also, what the fuck is with that last one? "We're going to keep this classified information you blurted out over the phone a secret, but we're going to tell everyone that we have classified information and we're keeping it a secret." That's such a weird thing to put in the article.
If that's the case, why even have news to begin with?
 

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If that's the case, why even have news to begin with?
Because apparently the purpose of news organizations has shifted from informing the populace to manipulation of the populace. Propaganda doesn't have to be factual, and continuing to call it "news" is a way of trying to add legitimacy to it so the general public are more likely to buy into it.
 

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Because apparently the purpose of news organizations has shifted from informing the populace to manipulation of the populace. Propaganda doesn't have to be factual, and continuing to call it "news" is a way of trying to add legitimacy to it so the general public are more likely to buy into it.
Hell, most of the news media openly considers itself an unofficial branch of the government. And then they want you to keep considering them a neutral and unbiased source.
 

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Part of me just wonders at the kinda shit that is cached all over North Korea. Be it arms (I bet they got a bunch of good rare stuff I would like to see imported here), general supplies, tech, art, and gold. I mean they have had 60+ years of tunnel digging and such. All in case of ww3 or an invasion.

That is on top of the various historical sites and just graves of the dead from the Japanese occupation and the Korean war.

If the curtain falls akin to the Soviet Union. I have no doubt a large chunk of all of the above would end up on the black market overnight.

I wouldn't mind some SKSs, Nagants, and various AK parts kits.
 
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But since it's all unnamed sources couched in vague terms leaking information that can't be verified because it's supposedly classified, can you actually believe it? Or is it just more of the media's ongoing propaganda campaign against anything Trump does?

See, that's the thing, it's not exactly farfetched that the Norks would be trying to pull a fast one. But with Jim Acosta openly trying to sabotage the talks, every news organization constantly and transparently attempting to seed doubt and cast a cloud over the negotiations, and so on, it takes something otherwise believable and makes you wonder if it's an outright lie.
 

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But since it's all unnamed sources couched in vague terms leaking information that can't be verified because it's supposedly classified, can you actually believe it? Or is it just more of the media's ongoing propaganda campaign against anything Trump does?

See, that's the thing, it's not exactly farfetched that the Norks would be trying to pull a fast one. But with Jim Acosta openly trying to sabotage the talks, every news organization constantly and transparently attempting to seed doubt and cast a cloud over the negotiations, and so on, it takes something otherwise believable and makes you wonder if it's an outright lie.
And honestly, even if the Norks are trying to use Trump as a means to an end, they'll still blow this shit out of the water no matter how bad it actually would get.

That's what the news has been reduced to these days. No wonder Trump hates them- They're all falling victim to collective r.etardation and propaganda.
 

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1JQ00Y



Japanese fishermen fear confrontation with North Korea boats as season peaks




An aerial view shows a Japan Coast Guard patrol vessel spraying water at a fishing boat from North Korea, in an area called the Yamato Shallows, where in waters Japan says is part of its exclusive economic zone (EEZ), about 400 kilometers off the western coast of Japan, in this handout photo taken in September 2017 and provided by Japan Coast Guard. Japan Coast Guard/Handout via
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Relatives and crew members of squid fishing ship Hosei-Maru No.58 hold small party before the departure of the ship for fishing at a port in Sakata, Yamagata prefecture, northern Japan, June 6, 2018.
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(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has declared North Korea is no longer a threat, but that doesn't make the Japanese fishermen of Sakata feel any easier as they leave port for the peak fishing season.

Instead, they worry they will have to confront North Korean fishing boats competing for their prized catch of squid in the fertile waters of the Yamato Shallows, 400 kilometres (250 miles) off Japan's northwestern coast and an area Tokyo says is its exclusive economic zone.

In a ceremony marking the start of the fishing season this month, captains of Sakata's fleet prayed for a safe fishing season and plentiful harvest. Children threw colorful ribbons onto ship decks as crewmen waved to their families from departing ships.

"The North Koreans came so close last year that we could see their faces," said Shigeru Saito, 60, a captain of a squid fishing ship in Sakata.

Video taken by fishermen last year show gaunt men on board North Korean boats drifting just meters from Japanese vessels.

Many of the North's boats are small and rickety compared to Japan's bigger, modern vessels, increasing the risk of an unintentional collision, especially at night when most squid fishing takes place.

The North's vessels began appearing some years ago in a push by Pyongyang to increase the country's marine catch. Thousands of these wooden vessels were spotted last year in the waters.

About 70 percent of North Korea's population of 25 million is "food insecure", meaning they struggle to avoid hunger, according to the World Food Programme.

Analysts say the influx of North Korean fishermen may ease this year given China's ban on fish imports from the state. But some will return, looking for ways to earn extra sources of income in a country whose economy has been squeezed by international sanctions over its nuclear weapons development.


"The only thing Japan can do now is to prevent North Korean fishing ships from entering and for the Japanese Coast Guard to continue to use methods such as spraying water to keep them out," said Satoru Miyamoto, a professor in the political science and economics department at Seigakuin University in Saitama in Greater Tokyo.

A Coast Guard spokesman said that as of June 1, its ships had ordered 112 North Korean vessels to leave the Yamato Shallows and had used water spray to disperse 19 vessels.

But fishermen say they want Japan to take more aggressive steps, such as arresting North Korean fishermen, whom they call poachers, to secure their fishing grounds.

"I'm sure it'll be the same again this year. Politicians may believe in North Korea, but I don't trust Kim (Jong Un) and I think their fishing boats will continue to come," said Saito.
 

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Signs that North Korea is planning something big for September: Blocked visas, parade practice and haircuts

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North Korea is planning a party. Next month, the reclusive country will celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the country, officially known as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. And there are signs that the event, which will take place Sept. 9, will be a celebration to watch.

Those observing the preparations for the event have spotted practice for a military parade, while tourist visas to the country have apparently been blocked — sparking speculation about who, exactly, the VIP guests could be. According to one report, a close eye is being kept on the finest details: Ruling-party youth groups have been sent around the country to keep tabs on taboo haircuts, Radio Free Asia reports.

The North Korean state cherishes anniversaries, using them to reinforce the tale of how their small, embattled state fought off bigger foes such as imperial Japan and the United States. It often uses parades on these days to send a message to these foreign rivals. For example, on the 105th anniversary of the birth of the country’s founder, Kim Il Sung, in April last year, North Korea used the day to show off a variety of new intercontinental missiles — an early hint of the technological advances testing would later confirm.

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On last year’s anniversary in September, Kim held an event where he celebrated the work of nuclear scientists and engineers who had helped the country test its biggest-ever nuclear bomb just a few days earlier. Earlier in the year, in February, North Korea had used another military parade to display the recently tested Hwasong-14 and Hwasong-15 missiles that could theoretically deliver a nuclear weapon to the continental United States.

This year’s DPRK anniversary event will be different, however. In many ways, the messaging behind it will be more complex.

North Korea was previously happy to menace the United States and other rivals with visions of military might as tensions escalated rapidly. This June, however, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un met with President Trump in Singapore, where they agreed to work toward peace. Kim has also held several meetings with his South Korean counterpart, President Moon Jae-in, with both sides talking hopefully of greater integration.

The negotiations that started with these meetings have been far from conclusive. In particular, North Korea and the United States seem to be at odds over the issue of denuclearization — with Washington seeking progress on North Korea giving up its nuclear weapons before other issues, such as the long-awaited official end of the Korean War, while Pyongyang clearly views things differently.

As such, although relations are nominally warmer with the United States, a surprise Trump visit to Pyongyang on Sept. 9 looks unlikely. Instead, many are expecting a different guest — Chinese President Xi Jinping — whose presence would send a message to Washington that it isn’t the only game in town.

Either way, Sept. 9 is expected to be a big event. Jeffrey Lewis, a nonproliferation expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey who often uses satellite imagery to keep track of North Korea’s weapons program, pointed to images from Aug. 11 that appeared to show people in Pyongyang preparing their choreography for the day.

More satellite imagery analysis published by NK News suggested that the events of Sept. 9 would, indeed, include a military parade, with an apparent buildup of military assets at an airfield in east Pyongyang that had been used as a preparations ground for previous military parades. It is unclear from the imagery what sort of weaponry might be included in the parade.

On another practical note, tour groups have said that Pyongyang has stopped issuing tourism visas for September. One group, Koryo Tours, wrote on its website that the firm had been informed “by our partners in Pyongyang that they had been instructed from above that all tourist visa applications currently underway are to be frozen.” Koryo later wrote that this applied only to tours up until Sept. 9.

Koryo speculated that the frozen visa applications suggested that Pyongyang was still working out who the VIP foreign guests attending the events Sept. 9 might be. “A higher power in the country is simply pressing pause on tourism until it is clear to them who is coming in such delegations and how many people,” they wrote in their statement.

Chinese tour groups have also said they have had their packages blocked — with North Korean authorities apparently citing “renovation” at all hotels in Pyongyang for the rest of August. There had been rumors in the South Korean media that Xi would attend in September. South Korean leader Moon is also expected to visit North Korea at some point that month.

With little official confirmation and outside access to the country limited, reports are still largely limited to rumors and speculation. Radio Free Asia cited one unnamed source in the country that the government had given out special instructions to “root out nonsocialist phenomena, such as fashion choices and hairstyles that do not fit the socialist lifestyle.”

Reports a few years ago that North Korea was mandating the haircuts of young men were largely met with suspicion from experts, who suggested that a trend toward copying Kim Jong Un’s hairstyle was just that: a trend. But there’s no denying that North Korea will be image-conscious this September — it certainly knows the world will be watching.
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S. Korea, DPRK to hold working-level military talks on Sept. 13
Source: Xinhua| 2018-09-11 13:34:16|Editor: Yang Yi


SEOUL, Sept. 11 (Xinhua) -- South Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) agreed to hold the working-level talks on military affairs later this week, Seoul's Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

The ministry said the two sides agreed to hold the 40th round of inter-Korean working-level military talks on Sept. 13 at Tongilgak, a DPRK building at the border village of Panmunjom.

The DPRK side proposed the military dialogue, accepted by the South Korean side, according to the ministry.

The military talks would come ahead of the summit between South Korean President Moon Jae-in and DPRK top leader Kim Jong Un, scheduled to be held in Pyongyang for three days from Sept. 18.

The colonel-level military officers from the two sides were forecast to discuss ways to ease military tensions between the two Koreas, including the withdrawal of a part of guard posts inside the demilitarized zone (DMZ), which divides the two sides, on a trial basis.

Also on the dialogue agenda would be ways to disarm the Joint Security Area (JSA) inside the Panmunjom and the joint excavation of the remains of fallen soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War.

Those issues were agreed upon by the two sides during the general-grade military talks in late July.
 
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