TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

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PyrrhicRustle

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sorry I can't quote, the button seems to be gone
Posts past a certain length get the button removed so people don’t reply to the whole post at once and copy the entire giant block of text, especially when they’re only responding to a small part of it. Josh autism, I hope when sneedforo is fully implemented you’ll be able to at least respond to sections of larger posts or something.
 

Duine In Cudromach

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Lindsay must have just started with a skeleton of an idea, with points A, B, C and D. Then she just threw in stuff to get the story moving from one point to another with no rhyme or reason other than it pushed forward the story and/or an agenda. She even admitted an editor barely touched it, meaning no one told her, "But why did that character do/say this? How is this helping the story? How are they able to do something specific on Page 24 but not on Page 467?"

Yeah. I'm not sure if you've read (or tried to read) the book but it absolutely feels like Lindsay had some cool scenes that she wanted to do but kind of scribbled in the parts between them. 'Cool scenes' is relative to the book, of course, but there are moments that Lindsay was obviously much more interested in writing and you can see that she took more time with them-- the scene where Ampersand delivers a medley of stolen groceries to Cora has more detail than anything within the first few chapters.

But then everything in between was kind of like she doodled in some vague concept (Cora goes to aunt's house to be in place for infodump; Cora receives van because she needs a vehicle; scene at Googleplex for reasons that are never clarified) and then just plugged in words to get from Point A to Point B. Cora needs to be at the Googleplex for a scene that literally does not matter but Lindsay thought would be fun so she just teleports out of a house and gets attacked by Ampersand so she can black out and teleport to the Googleplex. Cora needs a van so she can be pulled over by the police so it just magically appears in the parking garage and works (despite every other car being conked out), and also Ampersand is in the back for some reason because he... has to be present for the next scene.

It's all just a string of contrivances getting from anchor scene to anchor scene. I haven't watched her book video in a while but the impression I got was that she wrote the first draft, shopped it around, and when it didn't get picked up she just put it away for a decade. She didn't workshop it, she didn't spend that time editing or even re-reading, she just wrote it once and probably assumed that whatever publisher she sent it to would fix it.

Meanwhile, St. Martin's picked it up based entirely on the momentum of her social media presence and didn't put any money into editing or re-drafting because it should have sold gangbusters just based on retention numbers (if even 5% of her Youtube audience bought the book on name recognition alone they'd be moving tens of thousands of copies). When you already have that kind of 'guarantee' then it's a waste of time and effort to do hardcore editing, and it would also push back the release (and therefore the sales opportunity) if it went through a full round of re-writing.
 

Cobalt-60

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Fuck, I forgot about the "I need to break into the basement of Google because reasons" plan Ampersand had. I just tried looking back to check why he tried to do such a dumbass thing in the first place, and came across this bomb:

“How many exoterran species are there?”

“Trillions.”

Cora nearly swooned. There was no other word for it. She was dangerously close to swooning. If she’d had a chaise longue handy, she would have.

“There are millions on Earth alone.”

She tried to steady herself, trying to grab for the correct word. “I mean spacefaring extraterrestrial species.”

Did Lindsay Ellis forget what an extraterrestrial is, or is she saying there are millions of aliens species already on Earth and this.......just never fucking gets brought up again?! I missed this passage myself reading it the first time, but what the fuck??? Is this another dogwhistle about Jew lizards? I'm half-joking here but what else could it possibly mean???
 

Eventide

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Is this another dogwhistle about Jew lizards? I'm half-joking here but what else could it possibly mean???
That's the impression I got when I first read Axiom's End, considering the book went out of its way to bring up David Icke shapeshifting lizard people that consume babies, and imply Medieval Jewish pogroms were justified because Medieval Jews intentionally infected goyim with the plague for world domination-y reasons.

Considering all the other racism in the book (Ampersand said Native Americans were stupid savages that got themselves wiped out and Cora nodded in agreement) its astonishing Lindsay Ellis didn't get herself canceled sooner.

If the book wasn't the absolute worst, I'd re-read it and highlight anything that seems white supremacist dog whistle-y. I wouldn't doubt there's like, 1488's and Thor/Odin hammer's hidden somewhere in there.
 

Erwin Rotten

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That's the impression I got when I first read Axiom's End, considering the book went out of its way to bring up David Icke shapeshifting lizard people that consume babies, and imply Medieval Jewish pogroms were justified because Medieval Jews intentionally infected goyim with the plague for world domination-y reasons.

I remember I talked to one of her redditors(not on her subreddit but one who is a fan of her and is a redditor) who said anyone who mentions anything about reptoids is an anti-Semite, especially if it's in fiction.

So that means Lindsay's side would really hate her book if they actually read it. Thank goodness it's a bunch of word salads or else she would be in big trouble.

It's amazing how these people are so quick to demonize others they actually harm their own side more and make it so they reveal their true selves without their opponents having to do anything. All a right winger has to do is not interrupt, keep letting the progressive race baiter talk more, and the progressive will kill themselves before their very eyes.

I guess these people can be compared to a wick without any wax and right wingers are more like sand. The wick burns itself out as long as the flame is on, while right wingers are able to turn into glass if the heat is too strong, and they are then vulnerable to have their world view shattered after.

The progressive burns themselves out when they have to face any form of reality or self reflection, which is in the glass right winger.

Sorry for such a crazy metaphor but I think that sums it up rather well to anyone who can follow up what is meant.

Considering all the other racism in the book (Ampersand said Native Americans were stupid savages that got themselves wiped out and Cora nodded in agreement) its astonishing Lindsay Ellis didn't get herself canceled sooner.

Lindsay would probably defend it and go "well, cora is white so she's racist coded to be racist because she's white."

I remember she said we are all in a pig pen of racism dirtied up by it in her mask off video, so when she says"we're all racist" then she's really just saying "I'm racist and white and progressive, so I hope everyone is like me so I can claim white people are racist except for the progressive ones."


Like, way to go Lindsay, you've joined the neo-nazis in an attempt to beat the diet Nazis. Might as well join ISIS to take out forced Muslim marriages in the name of feminism.
 

Eventide

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So against better judgement I started to re-read the first book.

Um, guys...there's actual like, 1488-style, Stormfront racist dog whistles in there.

Look how 1352 shows up while Cora is doing MATH! (It's the year one of aliens visited Earth and she's trying to figure out their ages) I guess we now know why black people show up in either book!

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The baby eating reptilian (well, as the book says, not an actual reptilian, he just "looks like a reptilian") is called "Sloop John B." To quote the Wikipedia page: In many Jewish communities, the Shabbat table song "D'ror Yikra" is sometimes sung to the tune of "Sloop John B" because of its similar meter.
excerpt:
Ampersand’s fingers drifted to a file. “Not Reptilians,” said Cora.
“Sloop John B.” Ampersand lifted it, leafing telekinetically through the
file.
“That one,” said Kaplan, “was of particular interest to us. We
have several matching descriptions of a similar-bodied creature over
three decades. The description isn’t that dissimilar to an amygdaline,
except for the tail and the”—he gestured to his mouth—“maw.”
“This is our sister species.”
Cora repeated him, hoping he was mistaken. In all three
renderings, the creature had the forward-leaning center of gravity of
amygdalines, but these creatures all had dark, segmented tails. Also,
unlike amygdalines, these things had mouthparts, big ones, like a
grasshopper. Two of the three drawings gave the subject sharp,
jagged teeth the same dark color as its skin.
Also, in one of the artist’s renderings, the subject appeared to be
consuming a human. A cheap sci-fi rendition of Goya’s Saturn eating
his son. It looked like parody. It had to be. Ah. Ampersand has
discovered humor and is joking. That’s nice.

Reference to Saturn baby eating imagery, because Lindsay is presumably one of those people who thinks Yahweh worship was an ancient Saturn death cult (like, an actual theory).

I'm surprised Lindsay is not partial to one of my personal favorite Yahweh theories (on the account of Lindsay being Appalachia trailer trash) - he's a crystal meth lab cook. (the website is a spoof site but its quoting a long-since deleted theory that was popular on conspiracy forums back in the 90's).

I remember I talked to one of her redditors(not on her subreddit but one who is a fan of her and is a redditor) who said anyone who mentions anything about reptoids is an anti-Semite, especially if it's in fiction.

So that means Lindsay's side would really hate her book if they actually read it. Thank goodness it's a bunch of word salads or else she would be in big trouble.
At this point I doubt any of her followers read it. They never discuss the book, they just make vague references to how Cora is a girlboss.
 

Cardenio

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I was looking at Amazon's page on Axiom Verge to goof on stuff and among the notable writers who gave her praise was of course Reddit-incarnate Hank Green and John Scalzi. John Scalzi is a name I regularly come across on the internet but never bothered to learn anything about. But then looking at the user reviews one glowingly compared Ellis's writing to Scalzi. So thank you Lindsay I know never to give Scalzi a chance.

Anyway I just want to point out Lindsay's Wikipedia page is a thing of beauty. No doubt has a wiki janny in m'lady's service. This isn't a Wikipedia page, it's a job resume!
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Look at that, 3 sentences to sum up her 6 years as the Nostalgia Chick. A literal footnote. We all know Lindsay's career is due to her being a center part of TGWTG. Why she coined the "Big Lipped Alligator Moment." And I know the defense of Wikipedians, "IF THERE ISN'T A TRUSTED SOURCE THEN IT CAN'T BE ON WIKIPEDIA." That argument falls flat on its face when you look at Channel Awesome's Wikipedia page which has plenty of detail on Lindsay's stint including the funniest depiction of rape I could ever imagine.
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Move over "Porky raping Elmer Fudd" the idea of Linkara being able to forcibly penetrate any human capable of fighting back is so fucking hysterical. Sadly "To Boldly Flee" was a TGWTG piece of shit indie autism comedy, Lars Von Trier and Gasper Noe were unavailable.
Lindsay you fucking two-faced bitch. You were filmed with two closeups shots and then recorded a couple yelps on a microphone. And the fact that she successfully slandered Doug with this is ridiculous. Here's the OG script in all its infamous glory.
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Oh such grave intimidation. Why Doug "Harvey Weinstein" Walker and Rob "Bill Cosby" Walker were going to make sure Lindsay Ellis would never work in this town again unless Lindsay did some ADR work in a skit that Adult Swim wouldn't wince at. What a manipulative sociopath. A true professional victim.
 

Random Internet Person

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I was looking at Amazon's page on Axiom Verge to goof on stuff and among the notable writers who gave her praise was of course Reddit-incarnate Hank Green and John Scalzi. John Scalzi is a name I regularly come across on the internet but never bothered to learn anything about. But then looking at the user reviews one glowingly compared Ellis's writing to Scalzi. So thank you Lindsay I know never to give Scalzi a chance.

Anyway I just want to point out Lindsay's Wikipedia page is a thing of beauty. No doubt has a wiki janny in m'lady's service. This isn't a Wikipedia page, it's a job resume!
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Look at that, 3 sentences to sum up her 6 years as the Nostalgia Chick. A literal footnote. We all know Lindsay's career is due to her being a center part of TGWTG. Why she coined the "Big Lipped Alligator Moment." And I know the defense of Wikipedians, "IF THERE ISN'T A TRUSTED SOURCE THEN IT CAN'T BE ON WIKIPEDIA." That argument falls flat on its face when you look at Channel Awesome's Wikipedia page which has plenty of detail on Lindsay's stint including the funniest depiction of rape I could ever imagine.
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Move over "Porky raping Elmer Fudd" the idea of Linkara being able to forcibly penetrate any human capable of fighting back is so fucking hysterical. Sadly "To Boldly Flee" was a TGWTG piece of shit indie autism comedy, Lars Von Trier and Gasper Noe were unavailable.
Lindsay you fucking two-faced bitch. You were filmed with two closeups shots and then recorded a couple yelps on a microphone. And the fact that she successfully slandered Doug with this is ridiculous. Here's the OG script in all its infamous glory.
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Oh such grave intimidation. Why Doug "Harvey Weinstein" Walker and Rob "Bill Cosby" Walker were going to make sure Lindsay Ellis would never work in this town again unless Lindsay did some ADR work in a skit that Adult Swim wouldn't wince at. What a manipulative sociopath. A true professional victim.
Well, Wikipedia is pro #ChangeTheChannel at least. Fitting they’d help to go after Lindsay’s enemies.
 

INSOLENT[]BASTARD

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Kino Casino did a short bit talking about Lindsay's NBC fluff piece. They gave a shoutout to the thread so, hi? but got some of the lore wrong. The third book hasn't come out yet. And they completely missed the baby part of the article as well as her story producing for the Kardashians. Notable mostly because they might do an entire segment on her in the near future. Thank fuck for boomer stamps; I couldn't sit through 7 hours of this shit for a 20 minute feature.
wow this stupid bitch is still doing shit? last I heard of her was when she cried about being quote on quote "cancelled" and then left YouTube, now I see her not only still crying but now she's doing on the fucking news? Saying it was all traumatize? MAN just fuck off lindsay nobody ever truly liked you, you will always be remember as Doug's bitch.
Spoony.
Thats why and when he started to lose his mind.
The dates check out.
:story:
I never gave a fuck about spoony either but if that's true then yeah fuck you Lindsay.
 

Duine In Cudromach

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Cora nearly swooned. There was no other word for it. She was dangerously close to swooning. If she’d had a chaise longue handy, she would have.
I know this is comparatively minor but everybody please just read this paragraph. Just read this fucking paragraph. This is a paragraph written by somebody who wants to be well-regarded as a media analyst and author, that made it into the final draft of a real book, which was published by a major publishing company. Lindsay wants to be taken seriously as an author and she wrote four repetitive sentences when all she needed was, "Cora felt light-headed."

'Cora nearly swooned. There was no other word for it.' Yeah, dipshit, that's presumably why you used it.
 

The Husbando Collector

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I know this is comparatively minor but everybody please just read this paragraph. Just read this fucking paragraph. This is a paragraph written by somebody who wants to be well-regarded as a media analyst and author, that made it into the final draft of a real book, which was published by a major publishing company. Lindsay wants to be taken seriously as an author and she wrote four repetitive sentences when all she needed was, "Cora felt light-headed."

'Cora nearly swooned. There was no other word for it.' Yeah, dipshit, that's presumably why you used it.
Fucking christ I'm about to go mati with this shit. If you add in a redundancy like that in your officially published work that people are supposed to pay, you deserve to lose money and should instead pay your audience to read this because the retard publishers decided to look over someone with a thousand times more skill's manuscript because you sucked the right soy dicks. Fucking hell, she should have used her simp money to attend a community college creative writing lecture before unleashing this shit. God dammit.(:_(
 

Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran

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Like with many amateur authors who produce works filled with 99% dross and 1% arguably good bits, Lindsay would probably have been better off writing short stories.

Authors who have no clue about the craft usually start out tackling projects that are way too large for the ideas they have in mind, and fill up the wordcount with boring filler. A nice, concise short story might be more up to their strengths.

But short stories don't sell as much and don't give you as many bragging rights, so...
 

NeoGAF Lurker

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But short stories don't sell as much and don't give you as many bragging rights, so...
Lindsay doesn’t really give a shit about this world she has created. All she cares about is being accepted by the creaking dinosaur known as legacy media. She got a trilogy book deal but Lindsay is very limited in talent so her novels have been abysmal failures. She won’t get a deal like that again but she can say a major legacy media company published her dreck. It still would not surprise me if she went the ghostwriter route and the reason why these books suck is that they hate Lindsay and she’s too lazy to read them herself. She’s always produced low effort garbage, a trashy trilogy is still beyond her capabilities.