Disaster Notre Dame cathedral burns down - Suspicious hunchbacked individual reported to have fled the scene

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Just saw an interview of a member of parliament who went inside, kind of a good news / bad news thing :
  • the bad : the spire went through the vault when it collapsed, I'm no architect but I'm guessing this isn't really good for structural integrity, although if they let the president and a bunch of politicians inside it's probably not all that bad either, maybe it's just a small hole.
  • the good : not too much damage inside the main room, she said the altar was apparently OK too.
Of course they just went in for 5 minutes and they're not exactly experts, but she did say that from the videos she was expecting a much worse situation.
 
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This week is Holy Week, so the devastation of Notre Dame is even more painful to Catholics worldwide. I know because I count myself among them. I feel especially bad for the French Catholics who regularly attend Mass at Notre Dame and all the people who wanted to go on pilgrimages there but can’t now. It’s just tragic.
Its not that important for the church. Its just very important for people from the colonies and for the people of Paris.
 
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This was horrible to watch live. I think half the people in the office had the CNN newsfeed on at one point (the other half were working--NGL, I was useless while that feed was on) and we watched the spire collapse live. 9/11 flashbacks and more, that's for sure. And the thought of all that history and art ... it was horrible, and not just for Catholics and Christians, I'm sure.

I'm praying that it wasn't Muslims or random vandalism. I hope, hope, hope it was just an accident. If someone actually burned it down deliberately, I think it would be damned near impossible for so many of us to forgive and keep a cool head.

Also a very ... weird experience, social media-wise. The live reactions on Twitter were addictive: it was hard not to keep refreshing for news and new reactions. No wonder people who live on social media get so hotheaded about everything--they're constantly bombarded with fresh information, real or not, and don't step back enough to calm down.
 

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I wonder if they'll have Easter service in the plaza in front of Notre Dame? I was thinking on the steps, but they'll probably have that blocked off for safety inspections.
 
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I know there's a lot of historic types saying that Notre Dame's been damaged pretty badly before and has come back fine from it. Except, it hasn't, has it? Each time something of the original structure was damaged, it was a piece of art history lost. You can rebuild as much as you want, and it may look similar to the original, but it's now a frankenstein of past and present, and loses a bit of its ancestry, which spans hundreds of years. That's not even to touch upon the fact that, yeah, you can rebuild it "better", but of course you can - it's the 21st century. The original structure was completed in the 13th century, and they didn't have a fraction of what we have today, yet created this beautiful structure; that's something that's always made me awestruck and why it feels a bit cheap to hear "Well, it will be rebuilt". I'm not visiting the fucking Cathedral of Notre Dame to see 21st-century recreation art.

Sorry to mad on the internet. My art history autism has been peeking out.
 

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I know there's a lot of historic types saying that Notre Dame's been damaged pretty badly before and has come back fine from it. Except, it hasn't, has it? Each time something of the original structure was damaged, it was a piece of art history lost. You can rebuild as much as you want, and it may look similar to the original, but it's now a frankenstein of past and present, and loses a bit of its ancestry, which spans hundreds of years. That's not even to touch upon the fact that, yeah, you can rebuild it "better", but of course you can - it's the 21st century. The original structure was completed in the 13th century, and they didn't have a fraction of what we have today, yet created this beautiful structure; that's something that's always made me awestruck and why it feels a bit cheap to hear "Well, it will be rebuilt". I'm not visiting the fucking Cathedral of Notre Dame to see 21st-century recreation art.

Sorry to mad on the internet. My art history autism has been peeking out.
or a restoration OF a restoration.
 

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How much does anyone want to bet someone will claim global warming had something to do with it in that case?

@TerribleIdeas™ If they wanted revenge that badly why didn't they wait when it was filled?
The best laid plans of mice and men, probably; the dude that wanted to mow down people in western canada, Nice-style, was 20 minutes early, couldn't be patient, and settled for a cop, and 4 bystanders later.
 

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I'm praying that it wasn't Muslims or random vandalism. I hope, hope, hope it was just an accident. If someone actually burned it down deliberately, I think it would be damned near impossible for so many of us to forgive and keep a cool head.
Previously on "France"

Macron deployed the army to protect public buildings, with some concern as to what would happen if they were attacked

https://www.france24.com/en/20190322-france-macron-risky-plan-army-streets-yellow-vests-protests-sentinelle

However, the French government denied that it is mobilising Operation Sentinelle troops to maintain order, saying the soldiers will be deployed to guard symbolic sites.

Government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux said the troops’ deployment will allow police forces to “concentrate on crowd control, along with maintaining law and order”.

Putting the army on the streets is nothing new. Since Operation Sentinelle was launched in January 2015, some 7,000 soldiers have been deployed throughout the country to secure buildings, and during one-off events.

“The last time the State requisitioned the army for policing operations was in 1947-1948,” Élie Tenenbaum, an IFRI researcher and defence specialist, told FRANCE 24.

In the spring of 1947, the French Communist Party, excluded from the government, called a series of strikes. But the movement took an “insurrectional” turn, according to the then Interior Minister, who deployed the army to help the police.

Although the current situation is different, "it is not uninteresting to wonder what could happen if rioters attacked public buildings, as Sentinelle troops are not equipped to respond to this type of threat," Tenenbaum continued.

They are armed with lethal weapons. They have a telescopic baton and a Famas or HK 416, the army's new assault rifle, which must be loaded. "They don’t have a riot shield to protect themselves or an intermediate defence weapon," said Tenebaum. “It is therefore important to provide extremely clear guidelines as to what actions they can take."

The troops are also at risk of being attacked. "In 2016, during demonstrations against the El Khomri law, Operation Sentinel troops protecting Les Invalides were attacked," said Tenenbaum.
He was just about to announce concessions

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/macron-postpones-yellow-vest-response-as-fire-devastates-notre-dame-cathedral-38018802.html

French President Emmanuel Macron has postponed an important address to the nation that was to lay out his response to the yellow vest crisis because of the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.

He was planning to announce a series of measures after three months of a national debate that encouraged ordinary people to propose changes to France’s economy and democracy.

Instead he headed to the scene of the fire in Paris.

When he does speak, Mr Macron is expected to respond to protesters’ concerns over their loss of purchasing power with possible tax cuts and measures to help retirees and single parents.

Other proposed changes could affect France’s democratic rules. Some observers say Mr Macron may open up the possibility that citizens could propose referendums.

The French leader has repeatedly said he will not reintroduce a wealth tax on the country’s richest people — one of the protesters’ major demands.

The yellow vest movement, prompted by a fuel tax hike in November, has expanded into a broader revolt against Mr Macron’s policies, which protesters see as favouring the rich and big businesses.

Their protests, which often turned violent, especially in the capital, provoked a major domestic crisis that sent Mr Macron’s popularity to record low levels.

The number of demonstrators has been falling in recent weeks.

Most yellow vest leaders have urged supporters not to take part in Mr Macron’s national debate, saying they did not believe the government’s offer to listen to the people.

Ingrid Levavasseur of the yellow vests published an open letter on Monday demanding measures to boost purchasing power and maintain public services.

Mr Macron has already made concessions, but they failed to stop the anger of the yellow vest movement.

In December, he abandoned the fuel tax hike, scrapped a tax increase for retirees and introduced a 100-euro (£86) monthly bonus to increase the minimum wage, a package estimated at 10 billion euros (£8.6 billion).
Really makes you think...
 

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I know there's a lot of historic types saying that Notre Dame's been damaged pretty badly before and has come back fine from it. Except, it hasn't, has it? Each time something of the original structure was damaged, it was a piece of art history lost. You can rebuild as much as you want, and it may look similar to the original, but it's now a frankenstein of past and present, and loses a bit of its ancestry, which spans hundreds of years. That's not even to touch upon the fact that, yeah, you can rebuild it "better", but of course you can - it's the 21st century. The original structure was completed in the 13th century, and they didn't have a fraction of what we have today, yet created this beautiful structure; that's something that's always made me awestruck and why it feels a bit cheap to hear "Well, it will be rebuilt". I'm not visiting the fucking Cathedral of Notre Dame to see 21st-century recreation art.

Sorry to mad on the internet. My art history autism has been peeking out.
It will be almost impossible to rebuild correctly. It had lead sheets for roofing for Pete's sake, specifically on the main spire. Good luck getting modern envirofags to approve that again.

Not to mention the artifacts that were inside. No fire in the building has been this large before. Saw a video from NBC that part of Jesus' crown of thorns was inside.

Regardless of if it was truly part of his crown, it was a VERY old artifact with VERY high significance.

If this was perpetrated by muslims... God have mercy on them. The pope may be cucked and bends over backwards for liberals these days, but this will drastically redpill (blackpill?) many Catholics.

Deus vult.
 

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What a bummer to lose such a historic building.
Also, I'm willing to bet there was a shitload of asbestos in there that is now all over the place nearby.
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I know there's a lot of historic types saying that Notre Dame's been damaged pretty badly before and has come back fine from it. Except, it hasn't, has it? Each time something of the original structure was damaged, it was a piece of art history lost. You can rebuild as much as you want, and it may look similar to the original, but it's now a frankenstein of past and present, and loses a bit of its ancestry, which spans hundreds of years. That's not even to touch upon the fact that, yeah, you can rebuild it "better", but of course you can - it's the 21st century. The original structure was completed in the 13th century, and they didn't have a fraction of what we have today, yet created this beautiful structure; that's something that's always made me awestruck and why it feels a bit cheap to hear "Well, it will be rebuilt". I'm not visiting the fucking Cathedral of Notre Dame to see 21st-century recreation art.

Sorry to mad on the internet. My art history autism has been peeking out.
To be optimistic, and quote Terry Pratchett:
“Fakes?” said Vimes. “They were all fakes?”

Suddenly the king was holding his mining ax again. “This, milord, is my family’s ax. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation…but is this not the nine-hundred-year-old ax of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good ax, y’know. Pretty good. Will you tell me if this is a fake, too?”

He sat back again.
 

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I'm praying that it wasn't Muslims or random vandalism. I hope, hope, hope it was just an accident. If someone actually burned it down deliberately, I think it would be damned near impossible for so many of us to forgive and keep a cool head.
I heard the cathedral was undergoing renovations when the fire started. If that's the case, my money's on it being an electrical fire.
 

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