Off-Topic Regressive Left/Islamophile Tangents -

[Cato]

So you're saying if someone says to everyone they know they want to kill a bunch of people that maybe "let's not sell them a bunch of guns" is a radical idea?

No, I'm saying that it's dumb that many people on the left were asserting that gun control was the central, overriding issue at play and therefore somehow Islam had nothing to do with it whatsoever because insane troll logic.

 

[NIGGO KILLA]

as of this moment a building is on fire in the UK

if its not a mosslium than i will eat my shorts

 

[GabeRegan]

as of this moment a building is on fire in the UK

if its not a mosslium than i will eat my shorts

Don't make promises you can't keep.

 

[NIGGO KILLA]

Don't make promises you can't keep.

fine, ill change my profile to me eating shorts

 

[Chris did nothing wrong]

I wouldn't even be surprised that a large reason why Trump won is due to these guys. I imagine most sane members of the LGBT crowd were horrified by the Orlando shooting, and wanted safety measures, prevensions...Let's say that shooting sorta dropped the scales off their eyes. They wanted reassurance, comfort....And yet, Obama and Hillary, who were seen as championing for their rights all this time, suddenly turned around and excused the murderer and patronized innocent people for rightfully feeling fear about being next...

I imagine that's where most gays said "fuck it, I'm out" and either voted third party or went for Trump.

I think that you are overanalyzing op-eds on sites like Breitbart. Pulse did not affect the voting patterns or political alliances of the gay community. Only 14% of LGBT Americans voted Trump. In 2012, it was 22% for Romney. The left gained under Clinton.

 

[Deinonychus]

The biggest problem is the far-left's claim that EVERY Muslim is a good, upstanding citizen. That's not true.
Though many of us ARE good people, there's a major problem with terrorists and people with extremely-conservative beliefs. Unless these splinter beliefs get weeded out we'll have to expect more incidents.

I agree for the most part, Ntwadumela. I work with many Muslims who were for the most part horrified by these attacks, and were condemning them VERY vocally. However, one of my coworkers, who is what he calls a "Moderate Muslim" was being very ambivalent about the Manchester attack. He was upset about the loss of young lives, however he also was pretty much blaming them for going to the show. He was going off about the propriety of teen girls going to see a scantily clad woman performer sing and dance onstage, and how it was wrong for the female body to be put on display. Now, this person is not what I would consider an ultra-conservative muslim, mostly because of all of his statements/actions. However, if a "moderate muslim" thinks this way, how many conservative ones do?

 

[John Furrman]

I would personally say Islamic Terrorists arent Islamic. They just use the religion as a tool to legitimize themselves to their own people and to help recruitment.

That's basic Islamist apologetics. Islamic terrorists are following their holy book, step by step. They're more Muslim by killing the dirty kuffar and committing their jihad than any of these other 1.6 billion "muslims" are. Saying that terrorists "aren't muslim" is as pernicious as the behaviors of the subjects of this thread, if it isn't already the crux of this matter. Until the other 1.6 billion "muslims" are willing to take responsibility for the bullshit that arises from their book (which hasn't been revised in 1200 years) this cycle will perpetuate. Imam Tawhidi talks about stuff exactly like this when he is pushing for Islamic reform to significant risk to himself. I recommend looking into Imam Tawhidi and his views on reforming Islam if you want a better informed opinion.

Tawhidi is so confident in his views and experience that he has placed the wager that if anyone can debate him about Islam and prove him wrong, he will step down as an Imam. Nobody as of yet has taken him up on the offer, because they know they will lose the debate. Imam Tawhidi has single handedly restored my faith in the idea that Islam can be reformed, so I highly advise anyone interested in the matter to look into his work.

 

[Ntwadumela]

I agree for the most part, Ntwadumela. I work with many Muslims who were for the most part horrified by these attacks, and were condemning them VERY vocally. However, one of my coworkers, who is what he calls a "Moderate Muslim" was being very ambivalent about the Manchester attack. He was upset about the loss of young lives, however he also was pretty much blaming them for going to the show. He was going off about the propriety of teen girls going to see a scantily clad woman performer sing and dance onstage, and how it was wrong for the female body to be put on display. Now, this person is not what I would consider an ultra-conservative muslim, mostly because of all of his statements/actions. However, if a "moderate muslim" thinks this way, how many conservative ones do?

Chances are he isn't actually moderate if he's making such a big deal about what women wear. Most females in my immediate family don't even wear Hijab or even stress so much over it.

It's possible he might be hiding things from you.

 

[John Furrman]

Chances are he isn't actually moderate if he's making such a big deal about what women wear. Most females in my immediate family don't even wear Hijab or even stress so much over it.

It's possible he might be hiding things from you.

It is ok for Muslims to lie to the dirty kuffar in the name of spreading and noramlizing the faith in non-Sharia governed lands. The end result of that behavior is the Islamophiles we see in this thread, confused people.

http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

It's also exactly why we shouldn't believe anything you say regarding Islam. :^)

 

[Night Terror]

I would personally say Islamic Terrorists arent Islamic. They just use the religion as a tool to legitimize themselves to their own people and to help recruitment.

theyre not REAL muslims ok! they just call themselves muslims, do things in the name of allah, live in muslim countries, and do whatever the holy book of islam tells them!

 

[Ntwadumela]

It is ok for Muslims to lie to the dirty kuffar in the name of spreading and noramlizing the faith in non-Sharia governed lands. The end result of that behavior is the Islamophiles we see in this thread, confused people.

http://www.muslimfact.com/bm/terror...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

It's also exactly why we shouldn't believe anything you say regarding Islam. :^)

This Taqiyya you're talking about is used almost exclusively by Shia Muslims. It has little to no basis in Sunni Islam, the variety that I practice.
I'm not the kind of guy to lie about my religion anyways, dishonesty is considered a sin too.

Yo @Ntwadumela do you think these folks are one of the cruxes that is not allowing for the whole of Islam to reform or at least leave behind the crazy murderous paths? Like even the Imams who are condemning terrorists say they dislike how westerners "whitewash" these events.

I don't think Islam should reform as the religion states that any "innovation" to the religion is blasphemy.
However what I DO support are people focusing on what matters most, like the 5 pillars and being a good, charitable person.
Me personally as well, I don't care what you believe in, we're all human. It's not my job to police other people on what they do and "play God". This is what extremists are forgetting; Only ALLAH has the right to decide.

 

[muh_moobs]

That has got to be a troll. Soon Muslims will be the majority and haters will be hurt? Sounds like someone who isn't actually a liberal, just a coward.

"Liberal" and "coward" are synonyms, though.

Anyone who wants to defend Islam needs to educate themselves on the "dance of the little boys", a Muslim practice that says that while premarital sex with a woman and consensual homosexuality is punishable by death, its a-ok to rape young boys to purge your sexual desires.

Never mind the acid attacks on women for showing their face.
Never mind the child brides.
Never mind the sexual slavery of Yazidi women for being an "inferior" sect of Islam.
Never mind female genital mutilation.
Never mind Sunni and Shia Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
Never mind Muslims strapping bombs to children to kill Israelis.
Never mind that the crusades Islamophiles like to point to as evidence of Christian aggression were a reaction to Muslim invasions.

The fact that for THOUSANDS of years this culture has edified and endorsed child sexual abuse instantly renders Islam incompatible with western society.

 

[Deinonychus]

Chances are he isn't actually moderate if he's making such a big deal about what women wear. Most females in my immediate family don't even wear Hijab or even stress so much over it.

It's possible he might be hiding things from you.

Now see, all of my male Muslim coworkers will make some sort of comment about a female wearing "too little" (as in a tank top or midriff shirt). I'm pretty much used to that. But when the Manchester bombing happened one of them was pretty much victim blaming the young people that were involved. That's what disturbed me.
I've also witnessed a son of my female muslim coworker verbally abuse her and get away with it. When I asked her why she didn't knock him out until next Wednesday she stated that only his father could discipline him, since she was a woman. This is a very prevalent school of thought that I've seen in the states from first generation Muslim immigrants, so I'm not sure if it's the same in other regions.

EDIT: spelling

 

[muh_moobs]

I don't think Islam should reform as the religion states that any "innovation" to the religion is blasphemy.

And there you have it, folks. (Ntwadumela, the rest of what I'm going to say clearly doesn't reflect who you are as a person, so do not take my following criticism of Islam to be criticism of you.)

Child rape - good to go
`sploding innocent folks - good to go
Genital mutilation - keep that shit goin'
Slavery of your own people for eating meat on the "wrong" day - proud of it
Mass murder - a-okay
Keep a dog as a pet - FATWA JIHAD HALAL !!!!1111!! TIME TO STRIKE IS NOW!
A woman showing her face in public - DEATH TO THE INFIDEL.
Pouring acid on that same woman - Gold star for Semi.

 

[Night Terror]

This Taqiyya you're talking about is used almost exclusively by Shia Muslims. It has little to no basis in Sunni Islam, the variety that I practice.
I'm not the kind of guy to lie about my religion anyways, dishonesty is considered a sin too.

how do we know youre not lying

 

[Ntwadumela]

And there you have it, folks. (Ntwadumela, the rest of what I'm going to say clearly doesn't reflect who you are as a person, so do not take my following criticism of Islam to be criticism of you.)

Child rape - good to go
`sploding innocent folks - good to go
Genital mutilation - keep that shit goin'
Slavery of your own people for eating meat on the "wrong" day - proud of it
Mass murder - a-okay
Keep a dog as a pet - FATWA JIHAD HALAL !!!!1111!! TIME TO STRIKE IS NOW!
A woman showing her face in public - DEATH TO THE INFIDEL.
Pouring acid on that same woman - Gold star for Semi.

I understand your point and I'm not denying that there are Muslims who do these horrible things, but here's my rebuttal since there's plenty of us who are also discouraging or not even doing such actions:
1. Child rape happens in the poorest of Middle Eastern nation and is also a byproduct of Arab tribalism.
2. Exploding innocents is actually forbidden. We're only supposed to fight NonMuslims if they instigate the situation and/or break a treaty.
3. Genital mutilation: see 1
4. Mass Murder: see 2
5. Keeping a dog as a pet is only forbidden by Salafi jurists. I've owned dogs and know plenty of Muslim folks like me who own them too, we just aren't allowed to keep them indoors.
6. Women where I come from especially have the right to wear whatever they want, whether Hijab or even jeans and a tanktop. The Hijab has existed since even in Pre-Islamic Arabia.
7. Pouring acid on women's faces happens only in Pakistan/South Asia and nowhere else in the world.

Anyone who wants to defend Islam needs to educate themselves on the "dance of the little boys", a Muslim practice that says that while premarital sex with a woman and consensual homosexuality is punishable by death, its a-ok to rape young boys to purge your sexual desires.

Never mind the acid attacks on women for showing their face.
Never mind the child brides.
Never mind the sexual slavery of Yazidi women for being an "inferior" sect of Islam.
Never mind female genital mutilation.
Never mind Sunni and Shia Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
Never mind Muslims strapping bombs to children to kill Israelis.
Never mind that the crusades Islamophiles like to point to as evidence of Christian aggression were a reaction to Muslim invasions.

The fact that for THOUSANDS of years this culture has edified and endorsed child sexual abuse instantly renders Islam incompatible with western society.

The practice of Bacha Bazi exists only in Afghanistan and is not because of Islam, but of Afghan tribal culture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
In fact, the Mujahideen outlawed Bacha Bazi, the spread of Opium and Soviet settlement and were doing well before a splinter group we all know as the Taliban came to existence.

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

Thousands and thousands of people dying every single year because of some death cult sect is not manufactured. The numerous (By no means a majority but still fairly large) numbers of Muslims prepared to justify mass murder is not manufactured.

What is manufactured is this misguided belief that if we roll over and let people walk over us, that eventually the bombings will stop. They will not stop until we kill every single extremist and cut out the cancer in modern Islam, or until the Caliphate's flag flies over all of Europe's capitals and all the rights that millions bled for will be lost.

I wouldn't worry too much about a Caliphate. Fact is, these Islamist all see the opposing Islamist groups as not true Muslims. In a century times, I could see Islam imploding on itself and going the way of European Pagan religions.

With that said, radical Islam does pose a major threat to the free world in the sense that it leaves a vacuum for a despotic, secular ideology to sweep in rule that region with an iron fist. All that would be needed to is a scape goat, most likely the Kurds, to place all of that region's problems on, and you have a threat that could realize that it deserves more power than just the Middle East region.

 

[beansntoast]

I understand your point and I'm not denying that there are Muslims who do these horrible things, but here's my rebuttal since there's plenty of us who are also discouraging or not even doing such actions:
1. Child rape happens in the poorest of Middle Eastern nation and is also a byproduct of Arab tribalism.
2. Exploding innocents is actually forbidden. We're only supposed to fight NonMuslims if they instigate the situation and/or break a treaty.
3. Genital mutilation: see 1
4. Mass Murder: see 2
5. Keeping a dog as a pet is only forbidden by Salafi jurists. I've owned dogs and know plenty of Muslim folks like me who own them too, we just aren't allowed to keep them indoors.
6. Women where I come from especially have the right to wear whatever they want, whether Hijab or even jeans and a tanktop. The Hijab has existed since even in Pre-Islamic Arabia.
7. Pouring acid on women's faces happens only in Pakistan/South Asia and nowhere else in the world.

The practice of Bacha Bazi exists only in Afghanistan and is not because of Islam, but of Afghan tribal culture.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
In fact, the Mujahideen outlawed Bacha Bazi, the spread of Opium and Soviet settlement and were doing well before a splinter group we all know as the Taliban came to existence.

lol no, all those things happen in the west, too, imported by immigrants, especially FGM, child marriage, honor killings and acid attacks are rampant in isolated muslim communities in the west, who refuse to integrate, and I dare claim that the poorest of the poor muslims from some desert tribe neither have the money nor knowledge to immigrate to europe or america. not to say that westerners don't fiddle kids and murder people, of course, but they don't use their religion and traditions from their country of origin as excuse if they do so and claim that their "cultural expression" should be tolerated and protected

 

[Ntwadumela]

lol no, all those things happen in the west, too, imported by immigrants, especially FGM, child marriage, honor killings and acid attacks are rampant in isolated muslim communities in the west, who refuse to integrate, and I dare claim that the poorest of the poor muslims from some desert tribe neither have the money nor knowledge to immigrate to europe or america. not to say that westerners don't fiddle kids and murder people, of course, but they don't use their religion and traditions from their country of origin as excuse if they do so

What I meant by that, of course, is that the west is bringing the poorer people in addition.
Immigration usually occurs when less fortunate people look for new job opportunities in a better land.
Unfortunately they bring their primitive mindsets along with them

 

[Abortions4All]

Anyone who wants to defend Islam needs to educate themselves on the "dance of the little boys", a Muslim practice that says that while premarital sex with a woman and consensual homosexuality is punishable by death, its a-ok to rape young boys to purge your sexual desires.

Never mind the acid attacks on women for showing their face.
Never mind the child brides.
Never mind the sexual slavery of Yazidi women for being an "inferior" sect of Islam.
Never mind female genital mutilation.
Never mind Sunni and Shia Muslim-on-Muslim violence.
Never mind Muslims strapping bombs to children to kill Israelis.
Never mind that the crusades Islamophiles like to point to as evidence of Christian aggression were a reaction to Muslim invasions.

The fact that for THOUSANDS of years this culture has edified and endorsed child sexual abuse instantly renders Islam incompatible with western society.

Uh, you realize "child brides" and "female genital mutilation" are *also* child sexual abuse, right? The idea that somehow it only crosses the line when it's boys is highly weird.