Official Chris Donation Fedora Throwdown Debate Thread -

[Null]

All discussion about if Chris should have received any donations, charity, or contributions (monetary or itemized) belongs here. The next step is locking down the forums for a day.

I'll start us off: Yes, and I have no regrets.

I feel that Chris was genuinely thankful for what he had received and his outburst shortly after is an immediate and direct reaction to his mother becoming verbally abusive due to a misunderstanding. I do not think that the money sent will be spent on video games and they will use it to take care of themselves.

Discuss.

 

[Tiresome]

Chris shot his mouth off because he's a child. He deleted it because he realized he was wrong. Helping those in need is the right thing to do, and helping even people whom you loathe is strength of character. S'all I'll say.

 

[Burning Love]

Yes, no regrets, end of story.

If he goes out and buys a gun with the money and then shoots somebody, then those opinions will be reversed. As it stands now he's a harmless tard who just had a house fire and needs help, despite being an ungrateful bastard like everyone expected across the board.

 

[Greg Sestero]

I personally think that Chris is going to make proper use of this gift. It's just not in his character to waste money on useless toys - he's always bought healthy food, good drinks and just necessities with Good Money, and I have no reason to believe that's changed.

 

[butt in trouble]

If someone wants to donate money then it's their choice. Just because you disagree doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

 

[Fibonacci]

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some bratty guy's gratitude. But because, I am enlightened by my generosity.

 

[CWCissey]

In retrospect I say no, but that's mostly because of Barb's poisonous nature on Chris as well as his general unpleasantness.

I also don't think his gratitude to this forum was genuine, like he was being polite out of necessity, but I will admit it is a step in the right direction, even if it is extremely tentative.

I am of the opinion that this fire could have been easily prevented though and because of Barb's selfish, manipulative ways, the Chandlers are now boned, and as this is a crisis of their own doing they should not be entitled to 'rewards for stupidity'. I also fear that Chris is going to start expecting this sort of thing after every tragedy and start giving it the big I am which will just lead to further degradation and humiliation, as well as the obvious depression.

However if people WANT to give Chris some help, then who the fuck am I to stop them? Hell, I was thinking about supplying some stuff, until the galpals outburst reminded me that Chris is rather like war.

He never changes.

 

[AnimuGinger]

Things I would have used the $5 for -
1. Red Bull, last thing I need.
2. Taquitos. See above
3. Donate to somewhere else.
4. Donate to Chris

Chances are, the $5 would help pay some CEO or administrator somewhere to buy things that are similar to what Chris would buy. Only difference is that this probably will make more of a difference, in the scale of things.

And yeah, why the fuck do you care what other people do with their money?

 

[Himawari]

 

[Tommy Wiseau]

I personally think that Chris is going to make proper use of this gift. It's just not in his character to waste money on useless toys - he's always bought healthy food, good drinks and just necessities with Good Money, and I have no reason to believe that's changed.

It seems to me like you're the EXPERT, Greg! Do you understand life? DO YOU?! You not good, you... you're just chicken! CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP CHEEP!

Anyway, how's your sex life?

 

[Blue Max]

Yes, for our benefit.

Chris isn't worthy of charity on his merits or his ability or even understand the basic reciprocity that defines human relationships. He doesn't DESERVE charity, but that's not really the question.

The question is, frankly, do people feel better for helping these people? I don't, so I said I would not and did not donate. Most of us knew Chris was probably going to be ungrateful people's help to start with, and a lot of us (myself included) resigned ourselves into believing that it would take a hard hit to break Chris out of a painful and empty routine. This is why trying to have Chris learn something, anything, from the January Fire took on this frankly quite interesting debate about the role of charity and whether to help a LolCow in legitimate hardship but still entirely unwilling to do anything for themselves.

People wanted to give in spite of it all. I'm not losing anything by allowing them to do as they desired with their resources. I disagreed with it, I think I explained my views on it cogently in the main thread, but the main difference is that emotions and not logic is winning the day.

I don't see this issue as particularly divisive nor do I think either side has any moral "advantage" to it. People who donated to Chris understood that he probably wouldn't appreciate it and shouldn't feel let down that he hasn't. For myself, I'm a bit flustered that Chris really doesn't seem to have changed even in spite of his hardship, and blamed someone else (Keurig) yet again.

I just think taking a hard stance against others on this is pretty ideological; I'd wanted Chris to change by having to take initiative and change himself; the donors probably wanted sincere gratitude and a real break into Chris' circle socially (and Chris really does need Non-Barb acquaintances). Either way, the odds were low to start with. This is not the first nor the last of the White Knighting attempts for CWC, and he can't even recognize that we're not necessarily against him.

But sniping at other people online, although perhaps fun when you've delivered a multi-megawatt Zap to the Extreme style burn, doesn't really advance collective knowledge or serve any kind of productive role. I'd just assume watch people discuss Chris and the harsh lessons of a Lolcow, not insult each other for complex philosophical reasons.

 

[crash]

I'm sure the people who donated have followed Chris enough to realize he may act ungratefully, or say something rude in return, but donated anyway. I lurked at the time donations were being taken and considered donating myself, but ultimately decided against. Part of it is my own money problems, but also because of priorities.

Absolutely no hate on those who've donated, though. These are people who know Chris and Barb have greedy, ungrateful tendencies but donated anyway, and that's commendable. My biggest fear is for that money to be wasted, but it's not something I should concern myself with. Barb and Chris just got a very generous donation, and if they use it for evil, we'll then... It'll bite them in the ass later, furthering the holey buttocks

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Sure. It's not like the people who claim to be Chris's friends were going to do much. We've watched Chris for years so it's difficult not to feel somewhat bad when something like this happens. Some people seem to be so against the idea of Chris getting help that they feel the need to keep bringing it up. It comes off as straight up a-logging and it's annoying.

 

[Greg Sestero]

Things I would have used the $5 for -
1. Red Bull, last thing I need.
2. Taquitos. See above
3. Donate to somewhere else.
4. Donate to Chris

Chances are, the $5 would help pay some CEO or administrator somewhere to buy things that are similar to what Chris would buy. Only difference is that this probably will make more of a difference, in the scale of things.

And yeah, why the fuck do you care what other people do with their money?

You know what? I agree entirely with you. Giving Chris money is the moral equivalent of buying yourself taquitos, and It's not my right to tell you not to do that with your money. Some people would rather give money to Chris than to needy Cambodians. I myself had a sandwich today, and those five bucks would probably have meant a lot more to some orphan than it did to me. We're all dickheaded like that; it' a problem but it isn't specific or limited to this forum.

What's obnoxious is when people go off on, "I did it because I am a GOOD MAN, and it was the RIGHT THING TO DO, and Good Men do the Right Thing!" because they gave Chris 10 bucks for their own satisfaction. That's like jacking off and then congratulating yourself on a job well done.

 

[Arkangel]

I personally think it was a good thing that the forum got together and sent Chris the donations. Even with Chris being... well, Chris, no one deserves to be burned out of their home and left with little to nothing. I'm sure Chris has a degree of gratitude for what he has recently received, even if he has difficulty expressing it.

 

[Giovanni]

Did he deserve any? In my humble opinion, hell no. He and his mother's stupidity made his home into a tinderbox. They are at least partially responsible for starting the fire and largely responsible for its severity - and, far more importantly than his crappy house and mountains of junk, for the risk that firefighters had to take in battling said blaze. It is extremely fortunate that only one firefighter received minor injuries.

Chris then responded in a manner surpassing even my most cynical expectations (which is impressive, considering his track record). Trying to blame the coffee machine makers for a fire started by a coffee machine plugged into a bathroom outlet via extension cord in a house full of flammable crap wasn't too surprising, but when he accused the firefighters of theft? Yeah, that made my opinion go from "hell no, he doesn't deserve charity" to "I'm glad his shit burned". It was a level of appalling that is so far over the line that I still struggle to comprehend it.

In my opinion, anyone wanting to donate to this mess should have donated to a firefighter's fund. They're the only sympathetic characters in this kind of story. But the pair of hateful, incompetent, insane former residents of Casa del Chandler don't deserve anything, and won't see anything from me (other than the taxpayer money that serves as our admission fee to the CWC circus). I don't do nice things for terrible people.

But as for those who donated? Whatever, it's their money to do with as they wish. I think that those criticizing the intelligence of those who donated need to stop bitching, because pretty much everyone here knows what to expect from Chris - donating to him is a matter of compassion, not naivety, just as not donating is a matter of practicality, not heartlessness. Nobody here is expecting him to suddenly become a good person and stop being so...well, Chris. Some people are simply kindhearted enough to do nice things for bad people.

I am not.

That is all.

 

[Null]

I'm starting to think that Batman and Greg are incapable of believing that people have empathy for Chris.

Even if people feel good about their donations, who cares? When you really get down to it, is there really such a thing as an unselfish action? If you want to take any sort of contribution or sacrifice and turn it into a masturbatory act, then really the entire concept of being selfless evaporates.

You're telling people they need to get over themselves, but you two need to do that way more than anyone else. From my perspective, it really seems like you have so little compassion that your brain will jump through hoops to understand why anyone else would genuinely want to try and help Chris and his mother. And I'd like to point out something: The money order is made out to Barb. There's no way in hell she'll let Chris spend it on a PS4. He'd be lucky if he got enough to buy even one game with it.

 

[Kyoosand]

And I'd like to point out something: The money order is made out to Barb. There's no way in hell she'll let Chris spend it on a PS4. He'd be lucky if he got enough to buy even one game with it.

I do sincerely hope that you are correct. But I still think that Chris is gonna throw a Cartman tantrum till Snorlax gives in and turns over the money for Chris to buy a PSQuad.

And when that day comes, I'll try to resist being an ITYS.

 

[Null]

And I'd like to point out something: The money order is made out to Barb. There's no way in hell she'll let Chris spend it on a PS4. He'd be lucky if he got enough to buy even one game with it.

I do sincerely hope that you are correct. But I still think that Chris is gonna throw a Cartman tantrum till Snorlax gives in and turns over the money for Chris to buy a PSQuad.

And when that day comes, I'll try to resist being an ITYS.

Chris hasn't managed to convince her to let him sleep in his own bedroom. The days of Chris getting his way have been over for more than a decade.

 

[Greg Sestero]

it really seems like you have so little compassion that your brain will jump through hoops to understand why anyone else would genuinely want to try and help Chris and his mother.

It's not within this forum's power to genuinely try and help Chris or Barb.

I know it's hard for you to accept this, but I really mean "It wasn't a good idea to give Chris money", not "This money'll help Chris a lot but I hate his guts for no reason". Barb is a hoarder and Chris is Chris, and they already receive free money, which they already spend irresponsibly. It's not crazy to think that it's unhealthy for them to get more free money.