Containment Official Decision Regarding Gender and Chris/Gender Discussion Megathread -
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Best case scenario is he starts hormone therapy and chemically castrates himself and saves the world from there ever being a spawn of CWC. Seeing as how he wanted his sperm banked, this would seem the logical next step.
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I had a series of complex defenses running through my head as I read this but I decided to forgo all of it and just fucking say it.
I don't really believe that there is a such a thing as being real trans. I think this is a free country and if you want to change genders you can do so legally and attempt to do so biologically. You have the right to think of yourself in anyway possible and you have the right to have a preference in what you are referred to as.
I, too, have the right to call you just about anything I want. And while I will strive to respect everyone I will probably refer to you as whatever sex you were born as.
In the case of Chris it probably goes without saying that I'll be using male pronouns. But morever, if I did subscribe to the idea, I would not say Chris is a real trans person.
Major armchair psychology incoming: Ive got two theories as to where this all stems from. 1) Chris hates males because males represent challenge. Women have consistently coddled him and pittied him and allowed him to bullshit his way through life. The men in Chris' life have more often than not have not only made no attempt to kiss his ass but have usually challenged him to do better in life. His father, Kacey's dad, Clyde Cash, ABL, etc etc. Chris hates everything about that so he hates men as a whole.
2) Chris hates himself and wants to be somebody else. This is a reoccurring theme. From the stupid ass bear changing his name, to speaking as Sonichu in a meeting with the dean of his college to the lesbian soul vagina. Chris has always been attempting to be someone other than who he really is. I think its a major part of why Chris lives in the toon world. Than he won't have to come back down to reality and take stock of how shitty his life is.
I don't really believe that there is a such a thing as being real trans. I think this is a free country and if you want to change genders you can do so legally and attempt to do so biologically. You have the right to think of yourself in anyway possible and you have the right to have a preference in what you are referred to as.
I, too, have the right to call you just about anything I want. And while I will strive to respect everyone I will probably refer to you as whatever sex you were born as.
In the case of Chris it probably goes without saying that I'll be using male pronouns. But morever, if I did subscribe to the idea, I would not say Chris is a real trans person.
Major armchair psychology incoming: Ive got two theories as to where this all stems from. 1) Chris hates males because males represent challenge. Women have consistently coddled him and pittied him and allowed him to bullshit his way through life. The men in Chris' life have more often than not have not only made no attempt to kiss his ass but have usually challenged him to do better in life. His father, Kacey's dad, Clyde Cash, ABL, etc etc. Chris hates everything about that so he hates men as a whole.
2) Chris hates himself and wants to be somebody else. This is a reoccurring theme. From the stupid ass bear changing his name, to speaking as Sonichu in a meeting with the dean of his college to the lesbian soul vagina. Chris has always been attempting to be someone other than who he really is. I think its a major part of why Chris lives in the toon world. Than he won't have to come back down to reality and take stock of how shitty his life is.
That's sex, not gender.
looks like it came from the word family. I learned something today, but the important thing is it also descended from the word birth, even if the earliest meaning was so abstract.
Well ok I guess so if you want to subscribe to that method of thought. I really don't play that game, sorry. When discussing genetics, gender is synonymous with sex in my world. I honestly don't talk to many trannies, man. Gender ethics are for people who have time for them.
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looks like it came from the word family. I learned something today, but the important thing is it also descended from the word birth, even if the earliest meaning was so abstract.
Well ok I guess so if you want to subscribe to that method of thought. I really don't play that game, sorry. When discussing genetics, gender is synonymous with sex in my world. I honestly don't talk to many trannies, man. Gender ethics are for people who have time for them.
Ancient etymological history aside, I'm talking about the modern understanding of the concepts.
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One modern understanding, is what I am saying. I know what you mean, you know what I mean, and I am saying I personally don't subscribe to it because the identity bullshit is bullshit. Science and etymology are two things I respect, unlike the people who play gender gymnastics , so I am going to go with the more objective thing here.
Right, so, if you respect science then you will respect the scientific distinction between sex and gender.
I'm conflicted.
It's more respectful to call Chris a woman, but if I do, the SJWs win.
Yet it's more accurate to call Chris a man as he's made no actual effort to transition, but if I do, I'm acknowledging he's the same gender as me.
Quite a conundrum...
It's more respectful to call Chris a woman, but if I do, the SJWs win.
Yet it's more accurate to call Chris a man as he's made no actual effort to transition, but if I do, I'm acknowledging he's the same gender as me.
Quite a conundrum...
Posters on this board already use a range of witty terms to refer to Chris.
"OPL just does not want to work!"
"Tards Fartington buys lots of Legos!"
"I'm so glad I'm better than Fatty"
Adding "she and "it" to the mix isn't going to substantially detract from the quality of the conversation.
"OPL just does not want to work!"
"Tards Fartington buys lots of Legos!"
"I'm so glad I'm better than Fatty"
Adding "she and "it" to the mix isn't going to substantially detract from the quality of the conversation.
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Correct, but some of us would like to uphold social justice while making fun of a mentally disabled man.
Chris in simpler times.
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There have been several peeks into Chris' poor view of males. His hatred of seeing shirtless men, or the one time he mentioned that he's better than most guys because he doesn't go around getting drunk in bars every night (because I guess that's required of you to do once you're an adult male). Granted that growing up around hillbillies in a podunk town in Virginia would provide plenty of ugly male stereotypes to turn off Chris. Problem for Chris is that he was pretty ugly as a male to start with, and throwing on a bunch of female Goodwill crap clothes and makeup just makes him look like a crazy transvestite in bad cosplay instead of the anime princess he sees himself to be.
As for calling Chris a he, she, or it, I may just vary around from time to time with each one in postings, since Chris himself is kind of jumping around all the time himself with his gender identity anyway. It may just be "he" in majority since as long as he's got his duck stuck to him, he's a male. SO THERE!
I'm gonna make a prediction here: Chris is gonna claim that he has imprisoned Chris' soul into his eyeball where he keeps Christopher's soul as his way of rationalizing his latest transformation, making it now three personalities in that Schizzo carcass of his.
Chris now is calling himself "Christina" now, in case no one has seen the comment he made yet.
Burqa Rosey* always cracks me up.
* edited to keep CWCissey from having a Sensory Overload.
As for calling Chris a he, she, or it, I may just vary around from time to time with each one in postings, since Chris himself is kind of jumping around all the time himself with his gender identity anyway. It may just be "he" in majority since as long as he's got his duck stuck to him, he's a male. SO THERE!
I'm gonna make a prediction here: Chris is gonna claim that he has imprisoned Chris' soul into his eyeball where he keeps Christopher's soul as his way of rationalizing his latest transformation, making it now three personalities in that Schizzo carcass of his.
Chris in simpler times.
Chris now is calling himself "Christina" now, in case no one has seen the comment he made yet.
Burqa Rosey* always cracks me up.
* edited to keep CWCissey from having a Sensory Overload.
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I wouldn't be quite so quick to discount the link between gender and genetics. This field is still in its infancy. If gender was purely a social construct then hormonal treatments and sex reassignment would be handed out more readily. As far as i am aware, the current trend is moving away from surgery and emphasising therapy much like with stroke patients who no longer recognise their limbs. The 'gender as a social construct' stuff comes much more from the social sciences than the medical ones and that is a field full of echo chambers and bias. That said if chris was to go all the way i would likely refer to him as a her.
As it is I will not feed the delusions of an autistic man. Chris needs therapy not further coddling.
Just my opinion of course.
As it is I will not feed the delusions of an autistic man. Chris needs therapy not further coddling.
Just my opinion of course.
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Not sure I entirely agree with this. Several of the female trollsonas did challenge Chris - off the top of my head, Kacey in particular nagged him a lot about improving his lifestyle, which he tried to weasel out of. Mary Lee Walsh is a prominent IRL example of someone who didn't let Chris have his own way. However, I think Chris' misogyny comes into play here. I'm going to spoiler this theory, because it goes on a bit.
Chris is more willing to forgive women, because they are the Bearers of the China. Megan, for instance, exploited Chris for her internet shopping, and Chris absolutely let her do it because he was convinced he was going to get some. "Kacey," "Jackie" and "Vanessa" (and probably others) all treated Chris like shit, but again Chris was happy to let his duck do the thinking. In Chris' head, "give them more leeway because I'm a virgin with rage" got mangled into "women can do no wrong (unless hanky-panky is absolutely, definitely off the table)." The fact that his cultural knowledge is limited, shallow and often dated probably fed into this. Women are housewives, accessories, prizes, mommies or living sex dolls in his world of cartoons, vidya and porn which, let's not forget, he sees as being more real than reality. Thus, he wound up putting women on a pedestal.
The "men are evil" thing probably arises from the fact that someone has to be blamed for all the problems in his life. God forbid that women should make their own decisions as to who they date - it must be the evil men swooping in and taking them all. Then you have the fact that a popular way of trolling Chris was to call him gay, so he overcompensated by not only making it clear that he wasn't into men, but by convincing himself that he was actively disgusted by them.
Basically, I think part of the problem is that Chris has taken the "woman good man bad" mentality that was previously a convenient way of thinking about the world, and turned it into a part of his own identity. With disastrous results.
The "men are evil" thing probably arises from the fact that someone has to be blamed for all the problems in his life. God forbid that women should make their own decisions as to who they date - it must be the evil men swooping in and taking them all. Then you have the fact that a popular way of trolling Chris was to call him gay, so he overcompensated by not only making it clear that he wasn't into men, but by convincing himself that he was actively disgusted by them.
Basically, I think part of the problem is that Chris has taken the "woman good man bad" mentality that was previously a convenient way of thinking about the world, and turned it into a part of his own identity. With disastrous results.
I think this is the real cause of the problem.
Chris has always lived his life by means of convenient fictions. He's a famous comic creator with millions of fans. He gets advice from Sonichu. God has promised him a daughter. He's thin and handsome. He has an imaginary twin sister. The trolls didn't really help matters by giving him a whole new lot of other fictions to believe in - any normal guy would think it odd that so many gorgeous women way out of his league would throw themselves at him, but for Chris this was a more attractive reality than the one where he's a lonely fat guy. When Bob died, Chris ranted at the Grim Reaper. When he's found himself with no one to blame for his shitty life, he blames God. When the fire destroyed everything he had, he invented a reality where Keurig and the greedy firemen could be blamed. Sometimes curing autism would enable him to find a sweetheart, and sometimes finding a sweetheart would cure his autism. The world he wants to live in is one where there are good guys and bad guys and once the problem is solved then we can all live happily ever after.
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Gender's not a massive deal, unless you make it into one. Chris is allowed to declare herself a woman, change her name to Christine, and then six weeks later scrap the whole thing, grow out a beard and get on some he-man shit if she wants. Who's she hurting? She's obviously still figuring some things out. As many others have pointed out, the gender shit is the least harmful, least scary stuff about Chris by an enormous margin. There's nothing to lose by playing along.
I don't understand people who get mad about this stuff, especially if they are, like 99% of us here, passive spectators in Chris's life who will never interact with her. If a person says they want to be referred to by a specific set of pronouns, it's a massive insult to them to not comply. Of course, insulting Chris is the norm here, she's a figure of ridicule no matter what and that isn't going to change.
I agree that Chris needs therapy, for the gender issues and everything else. Unfortunately, it'll probably never happen due to the economy and due to her own ego, still soaring despite everything. If you want to speculate on whether or not Chris is "legit" trans, this whole thread is for that, but IMO if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is.
I don't understand people who get mad about this stuff, especially if they are, like 99% of us here, passive spectators in Chris's life who will never interact with her. If a person says they want to be referred to by a specific set of pronouns, it's a massive insult to them to not comply. Of course, insulting Chris is the norm here, she's a figure of ridicule no matter what and that isn't going to change.
I agree that Chris needs therapy, for the gender issues and everything else. Unfortunately, it'll probably never happen due to the economy and due to her own ego, still soaring despite everything. If you want to speculate on whether or not Chris is "legit" trans, this whole thread is for that, but IMO if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is.
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Actually, the sex chromosomes, the SRY gene specifically, only control whether or not your prenatal gonads turn into ovaries or testes. From that point, your reproductive organs start producing the appropriate hormones which affect the other parts of your body. We all genetically have the capacity to be either male or female from birth, it just depends on how the pieces fall into place.
If you were, for instance, to artificially trigger that event, you could theoretically induce de la Chapelle syndrome (a male with two X chromosomes, rare condition) and have someone who is genetically female be born male. Likewise, if you were somehow able to disable the SRY gene, someone who is genetically male would remain female, instead of turning into a male. (Note: I said remain female here because before the SRY gene triggers this event, everyone is female, no matter what your genes.)
The point I'm getting at here is that there's no good reason to think that there's anything in the X or Y genes that are spectacularly special. No matter what chromosomes you have, unless your body has some sort of hormone insensitivity or some other unrelated problem, everyone has the ability to grow facial hair and breast tissue. That's how all of our bodies are wired: to accept the possibility that we could end up being either genetically male or female at the flip of a coin. The fact that you have a penis or a vagina isn't divine providence that was set in stone before you were conceived, it's simply one of the two possibilities that your biology was prepared to handle.
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