Official Election 2020 Doomsday Thread -

[Maradontia]

No, it's because antifa know they're protected by Trump and his FBI and DOJ, and the only people willing to turn out against them are morons like the Proud Boys (not saying that some of those people aren't likeable in a dumb way, but they're still dumb).

Noone in their right mind thinks that mutual combat in the streets with antifa system tools is going to turn out well for them. Back in 2016, 40 political protesters routed 300 antifa who attacked them in Sacramento, sent six of the scum to the ER, fighting back against them with their own weapons, and defended a local reporter from antifa attacks into the bargain. As a result, several of the good guys went to jail.

How could anyone look at that and think that open mutual combat- as opposed to dealing with these people quietly- was a good idea? Well, they'd have to be stupid. Hence, the Proud Boys. No open civil war is going to erupt, it's a joke.

Ahh, yes. (Dons tinfoil hat) We all know antifa is protected by Donald Trump, the FBI, and the DOJ.

 

[JaneThough]

I do own land. it's nice being a home owner. As for the need voter Identity. I can tell you as a former poll worker. Yes we need people to be able to have proof of there identity.It helps streamline the whole process as well as helps ensure everyone is were they should be. The other thing it helps with is making sure your vote is your vote and not someone else's.

I, as well, own land. And I don't disagree about voter ID laws, as long as those IDs are free and readily available, as per the US constitution.

 

[3119967d0c]

I, as well, own land. And I don't disagree about voter ID laws, as long as those IDs are free and readily available, as per the US constitution.

You are a woman though. Are you at least a widow? Perhaps your voting could be acceptable to them if that is the case.

 

[NyQuilninja]

I, as well, own land. And I don't disagree about voter ID laws, as long as those IDs are free and readily available, as per the US constitution.

I know Its hard for you being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an I.D for just about everything from employment to buying booze even picking some of your Packages from the post office and driving. It's not hard to get an I.D and it doesn't cost much. And no it's not a poll tax because your suppose to have one anyways. If your ove 18 and dont have an I.D there local charities that will pay for it. Now will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud.

 

[JaneThough]

I know it's hard for you, being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an ID for just about everything, from employment, to buying booze, picking some of your packages from the post office, and driving. It's not hard to get an ID and it doesn't cost much. And no, it's not a poll tax because you're supposed to have one anyway. If you're over 18 and don't have an ID there local charities that will pay for it. Now, will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud?

I'll ignore the insults, and just ask if you read my response? I agreed with you, you mong. IDs should be used. However, as the US constitution forbids a poll tax, and if IDs were required and cost money that is a poll tax, then IDs should be free and easily accessible. If you are supposed to have an ID, then it should be provided by the government to the people freely. Which charities pay for IDs? I pay a shit ton in taxes, why can't some of that go toward IDs? Why do you want to make sure certain people can't vote? Why do you disagree with the constitution?

I don't want more fraud. I just want everyone to be able to vote. The fact that there are people who don't is pretty fucking suspect.

And this retard went ahead and fixed the grammar in your post. You're welcome!

 

[NyQuilninja]

I'll ignore the insults, and just ask if you read my response? I agreed with you, you mong. IDs should be used. However, as the US constitution forbids a poll tax, and if IDs were required and cost money that is a poll tax, then IDs should be free and easily accessible. If you are supposed to have an ID, then it should be provided by the government to the people freely. Which charities pay for IDs? I pay a shit ton in taxes, why can't some of that go toward IDs? Why do you want to make sure certain people can't vote? Why do you disagree with the constitution?

I don't want more fraud. I just want everyone to be able to vote. The fact that there are people who don't is pretty fucking suspect.

And this retard went ahead and fixed the grammar in your post. You're welcome!

Alright dipshit like I said it's not a poll tax because you don't have to have an ID just to vote. You need an ID to do most day to day activities already. So since you should already have an ID It shouldn't be an unreasonable request to present one when voting. That's why it's not a poll tax you should already have one. And you don't technically need ID to vote you can do a contested vote where you prove your Identification later.

 

[mickey339]

I think mostly there's a chance of a handful of fat rednecks taking their guns to the streets, but not making it down the block before they need to sit down.

People are pissed, there's a slim chance of a civil war but most likely nothing is gonna happen. Antifa and right wingers will probably keep getting in street fights until Biden cracks down, but that's about it.

No because not only are the ones calling for civil war the ones who aren't likely the ones to go offline and back their talk, nobody in America seems to be truly ready for the heat of battle, nor is anyone really willing to take on our armed forces directly.

Well, that's actually a bit disappointing.
I was looking forward to see an excess number of Americans dying, by their own hand no less.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Well, that's actually a bit disappointing.
I was looking forward to see an excess number of Americans dying, by their own hand no less.

If anything, Biden and Harris can win 4Chan over if they go after Israel. That'd be one way to get people behind another war. (Seriously, 4Chan will go after anyone if it means swinging their dick around).

 

[JaneThough]

Alright dipshit like I said it's not a poll tax because you don't have to have an ID just to vote. You need an ID to do most day to day activities already. So since you should already have an ID It shouldn't be an unreasonable request to present one when voting. That's why it's not a poll tax you should already have one. And you don't technically need ID to vote you can do a contested vote where you prove your Identification later.

Dude, wtf are you even saying? I am saying that if IDs are required, they should be free. You are saying they aren't required so they shouldn't be free but also they should be required? Here is the breakdown:

If IDs are required, they should be free otherwise they are considered a poll tax
If IDs are not required, then all of that is null anyway.

So, which is it that you want? Do you want IDs required or not? You seem to be arguing points that no one is making.

And you don't necessarily need ID to do most day to day activities. Case in point: plenty of people who do not have an ID.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

Lefties know Biden won. Right-wingers know Trump won.

Both sides think the other is in for a surprise.

According to Gallup, most Republicans believe Biden won.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Case in point: plenty of people who do not have an ID.

Who the fuck are these people?

 

[JaneThough]

Who the fuck are these people?

Your boyfriend.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

Who the fuck are these people?

According to one study by the NYU School of Law, people with low income, racial minorities and the elderly are most likely to not have an up-to-date, government-issued photo ID. The same study found that up to 11% of American adults lack a government-issued photo ID.

 

[Hippopatumus]

I went looking for the study. Clicking the link in the NYU press release goes here:

https://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification

 

[Maradontia]

I know Its hard for you being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an I.D for just about everything from employment to buying booze even picking some of your Packages from the post office and driving. It's not hard to get an I.D and it doesn't cost much. And no it's not a poll tax because your suppose to have one anyways. If your ove 18 and dont have an I.D there local charities that will pay for it. Now will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud.

*I know it's hard for you, being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an I.D. for just about everything, from employment, to buying booze, even picking some of your packages up from the post office, and driving. It's not hard to get an I.D., and it doesn't cost much. And no, it's not a poll tax because you're supposed to have one anyway. If you're over 18 and dont have an I.D., there are local charities that will pay for it. Now will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud?

 

[New Fag]

I went looking for the study. Clicking the link in the NYU press release goes here:

https://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/the_challenge_of_obtaining_voter_identification

If anyone else gets a content not found.

The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws, which require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can vote.

www.brennancenter.org

https://archive.md/D9qTw

 

[Hippopatumus]

If anyone else gets a content not found.

The Challenge of Obtaining Voter Identification

Ten states now have unprecedented restrictive voter ID laws, which require citizens to produce specific types of government-issued photo identification before they can vote.

www.brennancenter.org

https://archive.md/D9qTw

Hey thanks. Tight ship NYU is running on their web presence.

So this is a complete garbage study. Such trash that I can refute the entire thing point by point. Before I do let me point out that this school has put a banner at the top of its site with the text:

Democracy won at the ballot box, but our fight is far from over.

If that is their stance then this school is obviously led by political activists with a clear bias. Okay, moving on:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

First off, that's .1563% of American adults. It doesn't try to claim those adults don't have ID, just that it may be inconvenient for them. It's a lot more inconvenient to be poor and not have an ID to get welfare with, so this falls totally flat on its face. Rural areas do not have "dwindling public transportion options," in fact there are more options than ever. I am at a Cabin in the woods 25 minutes from the nearest town with a grocery store. I can order an uber here.

More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

This isn't a second point it's just a rehashing of the first one.

1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

This is really a third rehashing of the first point but with a racial tone. People of color at the same income level have the same options available to them as anyone else. This is really just a takedown of minorities. It's irrelevant.

And the final summary bullet point:

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.

Sauk City, Wisconsin is a completely white town. It has a population of 3k and has NINETY-FOUR minorities in it. A tiny town has limited government resources. Shocker. They then try to link this 97% white town to other unrelated towns with minorities which is a logical fallacy. This is not the type of argument a scientific study should ever make. There is no scientific rigor here.

This is a shit study. It's not shit because the data collection is flawed, it's shit because it uses weak arguments to back up a pre-defined conclusion. It fails to make its case on the merits of the numbers. But that's fine that isn't why it exists.

It exists so that propaganda heads on TV and lefty numbnuts on internet forums can say "NYU proves voter ID disenfranchises voters" which is a huge leap from the actual conclusions of the study which is "a tiny percentage of Americans find it inconvenient to get to the DMV"

This facts in this study do not back up the notion that we should remove authentication from our elections. Politics is the biggest zero-sum game in the entire human race and there is an absolutely immense incentive to cheat.

EDIT: I also want to point out that it's really weird they went and dug up a bunch of stats online and strung them together to try and build this narrative. Wouldn't it have been easier to just contact the DMV offices in these places and get actual facts on registration numbers? I find it hard to believe a DMV would be unwilling to provide a simple top-line number as a courtesy to a scientific study. They didn't do that, and they didn't even interview anyone. A sample size of zero. Brilliant.

 

[Gorillad Cheese]

Hey thanks. Tight ship NYU is running on their web presence.

So this is a complete garbage study. Such trash that I can refute the entire thing point by point. Before I do let me point out that this school has put a banner at the top of its site with the text:

Democracy won at the ballot box, but our fight is far from over.

If that is their stance then this school is obviously led by political activists with a clear bias. Okay, moving on:



First off, that's .1563% of American adults. It doesn't try to claim those adults don't have ID, just that it may be inconvenient for them. It's a lot more inconvenient to be poor and not have an ID to get welfare with, so this falls totally flat on its face. Rural areas do not have "dwindling public transportion options," in fact there are more options than ever. I am at a Cabin in the woods 25 minutes from the nearest town with a grocery store. I can order an uber here.



This isn't a second point it's just a rehashing of the first one.



This is really a third rehashing of the first point but with a racial tone. People of color at the same income level have the same options available to them as anyone else. This is really just a takedown of minorities. It's irrelevant.

And the final summary bullet point:



Sauk City, Wisconsin is a completely white town. It has a population of 3k and has NINETY-FOUR minorities in it. A tiny town has limited government resources. Shocker. They then try to link this 97% white town to other unrelated towns with minorities which is a logical fallacy. This is not the type of argument a scientific study should ever make. There is no scientific rigor here.

This is a shit study. It's not shit because the data collection is flawed, it's shit because it uses weak arguments to back up a pre-defined conclusion. It fails to make its case on the merits of the numbers. But that's fine that isn't why it exists.

It exists so that propaganda heads on TV and lefty numbnuts on internet forums can say "NYU proves voter ID disenfranchises voters" which is a huge leap from the actual conclusions of the study which is "a tiny percentage of Americans find it inconvenient to get to the DMV"

This facts in this study do not back up the notion that we should remove authentication from our elections. Politics is the biggest zero-sum game in the entire human race and there is an absolutely immense incentive to cheat.

EDIT: I also want to point out that it's really weird they went and dug up a bunch of stats online and strung them together to try and build this narrative. Wouldn't it have been easier to just contact the DMV offices in these places and get actual facts on registration numbers? I find it hard to believe a DMV would be unwilling to provide a simple top-line number as a courtesy to a scientific study. They didn't do that, and they didn't even interview anyone. A sample size of zero. Brilliant.

You're pretending like you debunked the whole study, but the only rebuttals you offered were "it's only .1563% of American adults," "people who live far away from a DMV can order an Uber," and "Sauk City is 97% white." The first and third points are irrelevant, as any disenfranchisement is bad, and the middle point only applies to people who can afford to pay for Ubers. What about people who would have to skip a meal if they paid for an Uber? Is this fair to them? At what point does an "inconvenience" become a "hurdle" to you?

 

[Andrew Neiman]

*I know it's hard for you, being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an I.D. for just about everything, from employment, to buying booze, even picking some of your packages up from the post office, and driving. It's not hard to get an I.D., and it doesn't cost much. And no, it's not a poll tax because you're supposed to have one anyway. If you're over 18 and dont have an I.D., there are local charities that will pay for it. Now will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud?

Hey thanks. Tight ship NYU is running on their web presence.

So this is a complete garbage study. Such trash that I can refute the entire thing point by point. Before I do let me point out that this school has put a banner at the top of its site with the text:

Democracy won at the ballot box, but our fight is far from over.

If that is their stance then this school is obviously led by political activists with a clear bias. Okay, moving on:



First off, that's .1563% of American adults. It doesn't try to claim those adults don't have ID, just that it may be inconvenient for them. It's a lot more inconvenient to be poor and not have an ID to get welfare with, so this falls totally flat on its face. Rural areas do not have "dwindling public transportion options," in fact there are more options than ever. I am at a Cabin in the woods 25 minutes from the nearest town with a grocery store. I can order an uber here.



This isn't a second point it's just a rehashing of the first one.



This is really a third rehashing of the first point but with a racial tone. People of color at the same income level have the same options available to them as anyone else. This is really just a takedown of minorities. It's irrelevant.

And the final summary bullet point:



Sauk City, Wisconsin is a completely white town. It has a population of 3k and has NINETY-FOUR minorities in it. A tiny town has limited government resources. Shocker. They then try to link this 97% white town to other unrelated towns with minorities which is a logical fallacy. This is not the type of argument a scientific study should ever make. There is no scientific rigor here.

This is a shit study. It's not shit because the data collection is flawed, it's shit because it uses weak arguments to back up a pre-defined conclusion. It fails to make its case on the merits of the numbers. But that's fine that isn't why it exists.

It exists so that propaganda heads on TV and lefty numbnuts on internet forums can say "NYU proves voter ID disenfranchises voters" which is a huge leap from the actual conclusions of the study which is "a tiny percentage of Americans find it inconvenient to get to the DMV"

This facts in this study do not back up the notion that we should remove authentication from our elections. Politics is the biggest zero-sum game in the entire human race and there is an absolutely immense incentive to cheat.

EDIT: I also want to point out that it's really weird they went and dug up a bunch of stats online and strung them together to try and build this narrative. Wouldn't it have been easier to just contact the DMV offices in these places and get actual facts on registration numbers? I find it hard to believe a DMV would be unwilling to provide a simple top-line number as a courtesy to a scientific study. They didn't do that, and they didn't even interview anyone. A sample size of zero. Brilliant.

Just so I'm clear, are you actually disputing the conclusion that the poor, the elderly and racial minorities are among the least likely to have up-to-date, government-issued ID?

 

[NyQuilninja]

Dude, wtf are you even saying? I am saying that if IDs are required, they should be free. You are saying they aren't required so they shouldn't be free but also they should be required? Here is the breakdown:

If IDs are required, they should be free otherwise they are considered a poll tax
If IDs are not required, then all of that is null anyway.

So, which is it that you want? Do you want IDs required or not? You seem to be arguing points that no one is making.

And you don't necessarily need ID to do most day to day activities. Case in point: plenty of people who do not have an ID.

No what I am saying is you should already have an ID and because you should already have an ID for everyday transactions and interactions. It's not a poll tax because as I said before A state issued or federal Identification card is not exclusively required just for voting. It would be a poll tax if you had to pay for an ID to exclusively use only for Voting. And yes although Identification is Required. There is an exception to this called a contested ballot. Because in most States you can't turn somebody away from voting even if they're too stupid to have an ID on them or proof of address.
Hopefully this clears it up for you

*I know it's hard for you, being retarded and all. Adults over 18 have to have an I.D. for just about everything, from employment, to buying booze, even picking some of your packages up from the post office, and driving. It's not hard to get an I.D., and it doesn't cost much. And no, it's not a poll tax because you're supposed to have one anyway. If you're over 18 and dont have an I.D., there are local charities that will pay for it. Now will you kindly stop advocating for even more voter fraud?

Grammer is racist