On The State of Israel - Should it exist, or should it not? Is it already just fine, or do some things need to be fixed?

[ArnoldPalmer]

1. We give $3 billion per year to Israel, which by treaty must be used to purchase US-made weapons. Trump has stated the Wall would cost $ 5 billion. In comparison, Afghanistan receives about $5.7 billion a year, and Iraq receives $3.6 billion a year.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/sen...tary-aid-package-to-israel-into-law-1.6340748

Oh look you're wrong. Using their own sources.

Israel doesn't fund ISIS. If you're pissed about that, you should be more furious about the Gulf Arab and Saudi donors from whom ISIS receives funding, who also cower behind the American Shield. Wait, no outrage there? I'm absolutely shocked.

Then how is it that ISIS repeatedly wind up with crates upon crates of arms in hebrew text? Do you think the kikes are really just that bad at holding onto their things?

And there's plenty of outrage there, but we're talking about Israel right now. Why would you want to change the subject, if not to downplay?

Being Jewish doesn't automatically make you an Israeli citizen. It makes you ELIGIBLE for Israeli citizenship, and nowhere has it been presented that EVERY Jewish member of Congress is a dual citizen.

Currently 89% of the Jewish members of the senate are Israeli dual citizens.


Do you need a second yarmulke for your nose? I don't know how that works.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Using their own sources.

I just want to state that the Jews are not some sort of hivemind, that there is no unitary and singular authoritative news source for the Jewish people, and that not every Jew believes or even reads the Haaretz.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I'll talk about them as a group in the same way I'll talk about muslims or mormons as a group. They still have common enough goals. Still, That $38b didn't come from nowhere. I'm still right.

 

[BeanBidan]

Could use some nuclear fixing

 

[garakfan69]

I want the King of Jordan to expand his Star Trek theme park and turn Israel into Nazi planet episode land.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

They still have common enough goals.

Says who?

On what basis do you argue that of all the millions of Jews in the world, the majority of them desire some sort of conspiracy to aid Jews or Israel, and not just a good and moderately successful life?

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

There's a fair bit of both columns, but I know that ingroup preference exists within EVERY group, and you'd have to be blind not to see their nepotism. Like I said before, I don't see many American or Secular Jews this way.

Ben Shapiro may be a pro-israel zionist, but he's still a beautiful little boy, pwning libtards epicstyle all day and night. I can't really find it in me to hate him.

 

[soy_king]

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/sen...tary-aid-package-to-israel-into-law-1.6340748

Oh look you're wrong. Using their own sources.

LOL I love how you can't read. Tell me, what do you get when you divide 38 billion by 10? I know goyim are terrible at math, but bear with me.

Then how is it that ISIS repeatedly wind up with crates upon crates of arms in hebrew text? Do you think the kikes are really just that bad at holding onto their things?

And there's plenty of outrage there, but we're talking about Israel right now. Why would you want to change the subject, if not to downplay?

Citation. Needed. The closest source I got was Haaretz, the most pinko liberal Israeli newspaper you can find, and even they only said Israel funded 12 rebel groups to fight Assad and ISIS. That's O for 2 there bud.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...ly-armed-and-funded-12-rebel-groups-1.6462729

Currently 89% of the Jewish members of the senate are Israeli dual citizens.


Do you need a second yarmulke for your nose? I don't know how that works.

I'll say this again. Citation. Needed. My ethnic background has nothing to do with this argument, unless you need some convenient reason not to listen to facts.

 

[tomthehusky]

Israel shouldn't have been created but its not going away. The alternatives are less appealing. Deal with it.

 

[Vancouver Terry Bollea]

From the river to the sea , Palestine is feces

 

[1864897514651]

Well, I am a Jew, and my Messiah has come and established His Church. I do not believe our Lord told His faithful diaspora to emigrate to some physical space on earth. As far as I am aware, the Temple is in our midst if we love Him and keep His Law. Zionists are mentally insane racists that worship DNA above God, and there is no holocaust that they can offer for that egregious sin on some stupid pagan altar in a desert. The desire for a facsimile of a zionist "third temple" is misguided because we already have the Most Holy Eucharist—our Messiah's Sacrifice on Calvary made present.

Christians seriously need to take this name away from these moronic niggers. We are, first and foremost, Jews. If we want to be more specific, we can ascertain that we are neo-Jews bound in the New Covenant as instituted by the Messiah, Jesus, and that our covenant is made by a circumcision of the heart. It is really super simple. Early Roman martyrology had tons of Jewish "conversions" because these Jew martyrs learned about the coming of the Messiah and believed. But really, they were not conversions; just a continuation of Jewish religion into the New Covenant. Christians are very much Jews, and I have no idea when this concept became lost to us.

 

[Sofonda Cox]

Israel's been at war since it's inception because they decided to establish a country in land that people were already living in. If a bunch of Jews decided they wanted to establish Montana as their mythical homeland, do you think Americans would let me?

No, we'd beat the shit out of them so bad the holocaust would look like a walk in the park.

Palestine is *no threat* to us whatsoever. Palestinian terrorist groups are entirely localized - with a few exceptions - to the Levant. With the exception of Iran, all of Palestine's allies are also US allies. So I'm not sure what you mean by this. Meanwhile, Israel exerts a ridiculous amount of influence on our government.

Not sure where you're going with the 'East vs West' thing either. Virtually every great power has tried to conquer vast swathes of land. The Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, and Byzantines all tried to conquer large parts of the Middle East. The Persians weren't trying to conquer Europe (which was largely an economic, social, and cultural backwater) they were trying to conquer the Greeks just as they'd conquered countless other civilizations. Same thing with the Ottomans. Before they even set eyes on Europe, they had spent centuries conquering the east.

Not to mention the fact that the ancient Greeks and the other great Mediterranean civilizations of Europe would've seen themselves as being far closer in terms of culture, belief, and stature to the people of the Middle East and North Africa than to the rest of 'the West.'

As for the 'Arabs won't buy your stuff', I don't know what you mean by this. Pretty much all the Arab states are huge trading partners with Western countries.



Yes, pretty mild compared to what the Israelis do. Jewish terrorists are widely venerated. Baruch Goldstein (a foreign invader from Brooklyn, interesting enough) killed 29 and injured nearly 130 goys. The guy's grave is literally a pilgrimage site for Jews. Hundreds of thousands visited before it was demolished.

Like I said, it's all propaganda. The slightest thing a Palestinian does wrong is immediately broadcast to the world, but mainstream Israeli politicians quoting the bible and preaching genocide are glossed over.

Israel isn't perfect, to be sure.

Out of curiosity, if America shared a border with suicide bombing rock throwers, how do you think they'd handle it? I think they'd glass them. Israel has been downright gentle in their handling of the Palestinian menace compared to how I'd handle my neighbor behaving in a similar fashion.

 

[soy_king]

Well, I am a Jew, and my Messiah has come and established His Church. I do not believe our Lord told His faithful diaspora to emigrate to some physical space on earth. As far as I am aware, the Temple is in our midst if we love Him and keep His Law. Zionists are mentally insane racists that worship DNA above God, and there is no holocaust that they can offer for that egregious sin on some stupid pagan altar in a desert. The desire for a facsimile of a zionist "third temple" is misguided because we already have the Most Holy Eucharist—our Messiah's Sacrifice on Calvary made present.

Christians seriously need to take this name away from these moronic niggers. We are, first and foremost, Jews. If we want to be more specific, we can ascertain that we are neo-Jews bound in the New Covenant as instituted by the Messiah, Jesus, and that our covenant is made by a circumcision of the heart. It is really super simple. Early Roman martyrology had tons of Jewish "conversions" because these Jew martyrs learned about the coming of the Messiah and believed. But really, they were not conversions; just a continuation of Jewish religion into the New Covenant. Christians are very much Jews, and I have no idea when this concept became lost to us.

Have you by any chance hired Mexicans and dressed them in Hasidic clothing to protest the Israel Parade I'm NY?

https://goo.gl/images/bi7vxT

This is fairly common practice
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nst-New-York-City-gay-pride-parade-Sunda.html

 

[murgatroid]

My thoughts on the matter can be summed up in "Vae victis". If anything Israel is overly sympathetic when they can turn their neighbors to glass if they want to. You're beat Palestine.

Don't know why I'm stepping foot (finger?) in this thread. Only bad things can come of this.

 

[NeroRisotto]

I think the Jews deserve at least one state, and the Palestinians should ether calm their tits or fuck off to the dozens of other kebab countries.

 

[Cardenio]

I think the most important thing is they get off the US's tit in terms of financial support along with the rest of the nations that just get giant tugboats.

Beyond that I don't care, After spending time with foreigners I've realized that pampered entitled westerners arrogantly think they can impose their morality onto the rest of the world. It's a continuation of Imperialism but now we're too cowardly to force them to change with might.

 

[I Love Beef]

I personally think all of the zealots who think they're above the Separation of Church and State and want the US to be "God's Kingdom" should go the way of Waco and Jonestown and go all out to see if the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Day of Judgement, and the Second Coming will happen if they start gas light triggering Palestinians to eventually bomb the shit out of major Israeli state institutions into another major Middle East war.

I've always thought that the Christian world's obsession of Israel was immensely backass and even hypocritical to anything Jesus taught. Yes, it's where Jesus lived and died and came back to life, but I don't see the world fighting over Stonehenge or Buddha's Eagle's Peak in India.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I personally think all of the zealots who think they're above the Separation of Church and State and want the US to be "God's Kingdom" should go the way of Waco and Jonestown and go all out to see if the Rapture, the Tribulation, the Day of Judgement, and the Second Coming will happen if they start gas light triggering Palestinians to eventually bomb the shit out of major Israeli state institutions into another major Middle East war.

I've always thought that the Christian world's obsession of Israel was immensely backass and even hypocritical to anything Jesus taught. Yes, it's where Jesus lived and died and came back to life, but I don't see the world fighting over Stonehenge or Buddha's Eagle's Peak in India.

The interest in Israel stems from Bible prophecy, it's stated in the book of Revelations that the first sign of the "End Times" is Israel becoming a state again.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Honestly, with fracking making the Middle East a lot less relevant to global stability, I vote that the United States forget that place exists and lets nature take it's course.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I just want to state that the Jews are not some sort of hivemind, that there is no unitary and singular authoritative news source for the Jewish people, and that not every Jew believes or even reads the Haaretz.

Alt-Right types (I'm not saying the dude you replied to is one, you just made me think of this is all) tend to be real idiots because they don't internalize this. There's not so much a world Jewish conspiracy to destroy the White Man so much as there's three big groups of Jews, two of whom are practically locked in a proxy war with each other using the US Government. You've got the Virgin Leftist Ashkenazim, based in NYC and LA, and the Chad Neocon Israelis, based in small-town USA and Israel. They both suck but for different reasons, and the Israelis suck a lot less than the Israelis. Then there's the real religious ones (Orthodox and the like) who basically just cling to themselves like Amish.

All three groups are vile and will occasionally close ranks to protect themselves (as any rational group would), but they have very different aspirations.

Alt-Right fags also tend to read malice into Leftist/Secular Jewish stuff when the most likely explanation is that they believe their own bullshit and are self-destructing.