On The State of Israel - Should it exist, or should it not? Is it already just fine, or do some things need to be fixed?

[3119967d0c]

I've always thought that the Christian world's obsession of Israel was immensely backass and even hypocritical to anything Jesus taught. Yes, it's where Jesus lived and died and came back to life, but I don't see the world fighting over Stonehenge or Buddha's Eagle's Peak in India.

True Christians do not support the Zionist entity. You will not find a loyal Syrian Orthodox Christian or an Armenian Christian in Iran who supports the Zionist entity. True Christians will do things like booing Ted Cruz off stage for supporting that Zionist crap.

Support for Zionism is a heresy within Christianity. If Martin Luther- or any Pope before the Catholics, too, were subverted by infiltration- could see these strange, deluded people with their heretic Scofield Bibles he would whip them in the streets.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

True Christians do not support the Zionist entity. You will not find a loyal Syrian Orthodox Christian or an Armenian Christian in Iran who supports the Zionist entity. True Christians will do things like booing Ted Cruz off stage for supporting that Zionist crap.

Support for Zionism is a heresy within Christianity. If Martin Luther- or any Pope before the Catholics, too, were subverted by infiltration- could see these strange, deluded people with their heretic Scofield Bibles he would whip them in the streets.

This No True Scotsmanning about "True Christians" is amazing.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

As a Zionist here I am getting a kick out of these replies

The State of Israel exists because the rest of the world has been [and in the region still is] Violently persecuting Jews.

The Balfour declaration was never 100% committed to by the British [and thats part of the problems we have now]

The Turks (in the pre-british era) started playing Jews vs Arabs [and thats part of the problem we have now]

The State of Israel came online during the cold war ((and the Palestinian Nationalist Identity was a creation of the KGB)) [And that and its fall out are part of the problems we have today]

Adolph Hitler and WWII allowed europe to not address their historical anti-Semitic conduct [and thats part of the problems we have now]

The state of Israel was made by secular atheist jews, for secular atheist jews.....and then (due to the above) had to take in Religious Jews. Israel has never developed structures to adequately integrate Israel [and thats part of the problems we have now]

 

[TaimuRadiu]

The Jews basically won the land of Palestine just like how the Americans conquered the West: by genocide and outbreeding. That is why Israel is America's most natural ally.

I hope to see the Jews reconquer the Sinai and conquer Jordan as well.

 

[TFT-A9]

Can the Israelis just fucking flatten Palestine and quit fucking around already? I don't have a dog in that fight but god damn.

 

[Shoggoth]

Can the Israelis just fucking flatten Palestine and quit fucking around already? I don't have a dog in that fight but god damn.

Israel is autistically concerned with world public opinion. It might not look like that but pick the brains of a few Israelis, they're all constantly factoring it in, for different reasons.
Basically, for each type of military operation, Israeli leadership knows they're on a clock before they get the not so subtle hint from the US to stop. If you ask yourself why all the last military operations in Gaza just stopped seemingly in the middle without achieving anything, that's that.
They think they narrowed public opinion down to a science, including how extensive you can make your operation as a function of the initial casus belli (dead grandma? kidnapped soldiers?), how long it can be, acceptable casualties as a function of the importance of the target, etc.
Which is all fucking gay. Just do what you need to once and face the consequences.
On the other hand, there are quite a bit of lefties in israel which will be incensed if something like that happened.
So they're mostly standing there with their finger in their ass eating rockets and breaches of sovereignty.

 

[Foltest]

I support Israel over Palestinian as they have managed to create a state. The Palestinian need to get into their head that they have lost.

 

[3119967d0c]

the Palestinian Nationalist Identity was a creation of the KGB

Of course the Zionist lies so blatantly as to suggest that Palestinians, who deserve to live in their ancestral homeland in which they have lived for millenia, while the Zionists have proved themselves unworthy to live on this Earth, were 'invented' by an intelligence agency that didn't even exist at the time of the Nakba.

Keep lying, Zionist. Even Americans are waking up to your crimes against their own nation- from your murders of their sailors on the USS Liberty, to your owning of their politicians, to your foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, to your promotion of pedophilia and other sexual perversions to their children. I look forward to the day that all the free peoples of the Earth join hands in friendship and make it 257 and never again.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Of course the Zionist lies so blatantly as to suggest that Palestinians, who deserve to live in their ancestral homeland in which they have lived for millenia, while the Zionists have proved themselves unworthy to live on this Earth, were 'invented' by an intelligence agency that didn't even exist at the time of the Nakba.

Keep lying, Zionist. Even Americans are waking up to your crimes against their own nation- from your murders of their sailors on the USS Liberty, to your owning of their politicians, to your foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, to your promotion of pedophilia and other sexual perversions to their children. I look forward to the day that all the free peoples of the Earth join hands in friendship and make it 257 and never again.

Then why in the 1920s did the "Palestinian Arab" Nationalists want to be part of Syria?
Why did they accept their occupation by the Jordanians and Egyptians until 67 (when they all of a sudden started to demand to be an independent nation)

 

[Shoggoth]

Then why in the 1920s did the "Palestinian Arab" Nationalists want to be part of Syria?
Why did they accept their occupation by the Jordanians and Egyptians until 67 (when they all of a sudden started to demand to be an independent nation)

The history of Palestinian nationalism is a bit more complex than that. I wouldn't doubt the KGB might have helped along the way, but in general the entire concept of national identity in the Arab world is a bit iffy. The short version is that there is no developed concept of nationalism in the Arab world, due to several factors: familial and tribal ties taking precedence, the tension between Islam (Dar Al Islam, Al Uma) and the Nation, the tensions between Arabism (See Nesser's Pan Arabism), and the Nation, Communist and Socialists movements (Baath, Afghanistan), Shia, Suna and Alawi, and probably five more I didn't think about, this was just OTOH.
Moreover, actual nationalistic ideas only started in the Arab world around the mandate era after WW1, while they were pretty mature by then in Europe.
I reckon the first nationslistic figure for Palestinians would have been Haj Amin Al Husseiny, Jerusalem's grand Mufti, who had a beautiful friendship with uncle Adolf.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I reckon the first nationslistic figure for Palestinians would have been Haj Amin Al Husseiny, Jerusalem's grand Mufti, who had a beautiful friendship with uncle Adolf.

Who advocated for a Nation of Syria-Palestine (Syria, Jordan, Mandate Palestine, and Lebanon)

 

[Syaoran Li]

I support Israel simply because they're a lot better than the alternative and anything that is so virulently hated by both the hard right and the hard left has to have something good going for it. I do find their disproportionate influence over US policy to be concerning, but it's a lot more preferable to the inevitable Sharia Law-dominated shithole that would be in place if the Palestinians got their way.

Israel is the only thing that can make both Antifa and Stormfront shit themselves with impotent rage, I've gotta give some props to them on that alone.

A lot of Israel's policies are worth criticizing, such as the issue of the settlements in the West Bank. But trying to pin Soros or the ADL on Israel is autistic and stupid as fuck. Guys like the ADL and Soros are left-wing atheists who generally hate Israel and guys like Netanyahu. The ADL are a bunch of secular Jews from the American coastal cities who have a lot more in common with spoiled college leftist WASP's than with any other Jewish communities.

George Soros is just a sociopath with more dollars than sense, just like the Koch Brothers. If Soros loves the Jews so much, then why did he go out of his way to rat out Jewish civilians to the Nazis (and later on, the Soviets) in his native Hungary?

I have to admit, I am enjoying the idiocy of the /pol/ tards having autistic bitch fits over Israel in this thread.

 

[Dial M for Misgender]

Should America exist? That is not a good question. A good question is "can anyone possibly come and take it"? The answer is "no".

 

[mindlessobserver]

The issue I have with hypothetical "should Israel exist" questions is that they studiously ignore the fact that it DOES exist.

 

[Oskar Dirlewanger]

The biggest problem with Israel and kikes in general is the recruitment procces. I'd love to be a rich jewish banker like Jeffrey Epstein but I'm not willing to cut off a piece of my penis in an offering to an ancient middle eastern demon.

 

[Syaoran Li]

The issue I have with hypothetical "should Israel exist" questions is that they studiously ignore the fact that it DOES exist.

True.

Israel exists whether anyone likes it or not, and there's nothing any of us can do about it except sit back, grab a bag of popcorn, and enjoy the tard rage and sperg outs over its existence from Alt-Right /pol/ tards and SJW/Antifa tards.

Personally, I support the State of Israel's existence. They're the closest thing the Middle East has to a Western democratic republic now that Turkey's gone to shit and seeing how much both the far right and far left love to chimp out over Israel's mere existence is hilarious enough.

 

[Sicklick]

The Jews massacred and ethnically cleansed the Palestinians on their own land, with the massacre of Deir Yassin and the King David Hotel bombing. But yet Palestinians are the aggressors because they are lobbing bottle rockets over the border which has killed how many people since the last 10 or 12 years now? Compared to Israel's arsenal, including their ballistic missiles, they are absolutely pathetic. The Israelis killed over 2,000 Palestinians during Operation Protective Edge alone. And that's not counting the maimed, the displaced, etc. They target hospitals and refugee camps in their air raids deliberately. The Israelis are cowards.

 

[TitanWest]

Fuck Israel. It's the home base of the people who gave us political correctness and open borders because "Oy vey antisemitism! You have to be tolerant of minorities (Like us) goyim!". Then they act like total shit heads to the Palestinians. Talk about a predominantly white ethnostate in The West and these fucking Zionists will cancel you, but you better not dare criticize them! Zionists know that once The West wakes up and becomes Nationalistic that we'll kick the parasitic kikes out and the parasitic state of Israel will be fucked.

Spoiler: Several redpills

 

[Basil II]

Due to the autism of every side it's hard to really get to the truth of the matter but as @3119967d0c mentioned it says a lot how the actual Christians living in the Middle East (as opposed to Americans LARPing as Christian every sunday at their local McChurch) despise Israel. How shit does your state have to be that the durkas are the better option? There's also the issue with the Israeli influence in American politics that's verboten to even mention, and the amount of money siphoned by them while they literally attack our own ships.

The whole "only western democracy in middle east" thing is incredibly gay because the state of the middle east is a direct consequence of Israel's existence, their purposeful attempts at destabilization only adding fuel to the fire. The Middle East was actually decent during the interwar period before Israel provoked it into going full turboautism. This view is also incredibly disingenous considering how Israel is buddies with theocratic shitholes like Saudi Arabia.

Israel is full of the most hypocritical snakes who guilt trip others for political support (REMEMBER DA HOLOCAUST GOYIM) while refusing to recognise the Armenian Genocide, you even see it in this thread with @Manwithn0n0men ablooblooing about Jews being oppressed everywhere while actively ignoring that the Holocaust also targeted Slavs (More of them actually died in the war btw) Gays, and Gypsies (who have just as much claim to being oppressed wanderers).

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

The Arabs are just butthurt that someone else did to them what they've been doing to others for the past dozen centuries - they tried to wipe the Jews out of Arabia, so the Jews are now trying to wipe them out of Palestine.