OPCAL, Sov Cits, freemen on the land success thread - how to avoid paying taxes and win in court.

[Long Sun]

Ok so this topic is intended to cover the antics of the freemen on the land, moor land Sovereign Citizens this people like to truly crazy forms of legal arguments to say that court have no authority over them.
here are some fun crazy videos
The strawman a favorite idea of the OPLCAL

A freeman in action

There main tolls are Judges who like to shot down tier BS
http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html (A short and fun read by a very witty judge)

 

[cypocraphy]

A pretty well known one named "El Bey" lives near me in Trenton. He's like a local goofball type.

 

[I AM STRAIGHT!!!!]

The litigants may be lolcows, but those who create and sell this stuff are brilliant.

As I understand it the basis for their claims is that the King of England created the U.S. government in order to secretly transfer all U.S. citizens into slavery while depositing their real earnings in these secret bank accounts.

Now obviously that is a idiotic belief, but in fact if you look at the relevant treaties it is hard to refute. The truth is that for a sovereignty to exist with any confidence in its future, other sovereignties must recognize it as such. On paper the U.S.'s treaty with the U.K. makes it look like the King granted the U.S. its sovereignty because technically that is the case. So although it is in fact a bilateral treaty that severed relations between the U.S. and U.K., it is easy to spin it into a unilateral granting of property that reserved rights to the grantor just like any device of property.

Ergo, the Queen of England is within her legal rights to hold us in slavery, and although this is something of a secret, it is also plainly written on paper so a court should totally be willing to overturn it.

 

[Segue]

I don't understand. So these people believe they're somehow above the law or something?

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

No, they believe that most of what we call "laws" in the US/Canada/UK is fake. To them, the court system exists to trick you into becoming subject to these fake laws. But if you say the magic words, judges can't touch you. For example, instead of calling themselves "John Smith" they'd call themselves "John of the Family Smith" because using your legal name gives the fake court jurisdiction over you. It's really weird and doesn't make much sense.

tl;dr: Redneck moonshines found this ONE CRAZY TRICK to avoid all lawsuits

 

[KingofManga420]

Ok so this topic is intended to cover the antics of the freemen on the land, moor land Sovereign Citizens this people like to truly crazy forms of legal arguments to say that court have no authority over them.
here are some fun crazy videos
The strawman a favorite idea of the OPLCAL

A freeman in action

There main tolls are Judges who like to shot down tier BS
http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html (A short and fun read by a very witty judge)

I literally have no idea what was going on but that second video made me laugh so hard.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I literally have no idea what was going on but that second video made me laugh so hard.

One of the Sovereign Citizen "tricks" to get a lawsuit dismissed is to be really annoying until the judge walks out. According to them, the whole country is under the law of admiralty (law of the sea) because of your birth (berth) certificate. I'm not making this shit up. When the judge leaves, the sovereign citizen claims he can take over because the judge has abandoned his ship. (lol)

 

[KingofManga420]

One of the Sovereign Citizen "tricks" to get a lawsuit dismissed is to be really annoying until the judge walks out. According to them, the whole country is under the law of admiralty (law of the sea) because of your birth (berth) certificate. I'm not making this shit up. When the judge leaves, the sovereign citizen claims he can take over because the judge has abandoned his ship. (lol)

It's like they are five year olds. I love this.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

It's like they are five year olds. I love this.

It's some next-level crazy stuff. Let me show you this quote from a sovereign citizen website:

Here's a big surprise...
U.S. citizenship is not what you think it is.
Before the Civil War, there was only State Citizenship and a Confederated Union of independent States.

After the Civil War, "THE UNITED STATES" corporation was created and the 14th ammendment was passed to givecorporate membership to freed slaves that had no birthright by law. Subsequently, freed slaves were granted 14th amendment immigrant citizenship to the "UNITED STATES" corporation, which now extends beyond the District of Columbia , and has contracts with and occupies the State Corporations under Maritime law (we show you the laws that prove it) .

But why would congress do this?
In 1871 congress incorporated under the business name "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" because they went broke from the Civil War. In order to re-build the nation they had to borrow money from foreign investors. That takes a contract.

In order to enter the contract, a corporation had to be formed. (foreign investors are now building a 20-lane super-highway from Mexico to Canada real quick here, so pay attention!)

Are you claiming U.S. immigrant status in your country/state of birth?
If so, you're committing fraud and that's how the "constitution is supended" in the commercial law system.

Did you know...
The "U.S." is not a State and is not a country.
Please do not mistake the singular entity "THE UNITED STATES" corporation and its member-citizens for the actualfifty separate States of the American Union or the American People.


So what exactly is the U.S. if it's not a state?
It's a corporation! (We show you the laws that prove it.) and it's governed by the laws of commerce. The U.S. corporation has no lawful authority over Private Sovereign State Citizens that are acting in the capacity of human beings. Think of "The U.S." as a big SAM'S CLUB with membership priveleges and lots of security guards. Legally that's all there is to it and it's our job to educate them and put them in their place!

 

[KingofManga420]

It's some next-level crazy stuff. Let me show you this quote from a sovereign citizen website:

Jesus Christ I've seen more accurate depictions of the legal system in Ace Attorney games.

 

[Long Sun]

They also believe that somehow the stawman is create by your registration with state that you are the representative of that strawman, all legal opligation are on the person of your strawman not the flesh and blood human being that you are

Take this style of cause of a case the Supreme Court of Canada Denied Leave to appeal on (Same of US Supreme Court reject Cert)
Elio, A Flesh and Blood Human Being, of the Family Dalle Rive, Authorized Representative of "Elio Dalle Rive" v. Her Majesty the Queen, et al.
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/case-dossier/info/dock-regi-eng.aspx?cas=35874

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

There's a video of some smug guy stepping into a court building and annoying the shit out of people with this kind of legal mumbo jumbo. They finally taser him for trying to walk into the court room and he tells his mom to bring the car around or something. Shits hysterical. Is he one of these guys?

ill like when I'm home.

 

[MysticMisty]

It's some next-level crazy stuff. Let me show you this quote from a sovereign citizen website:

This reminds me a lot of what a nut was saying on a local city bus a few years back. He was claiming the US government is really a front for the real leader of the country, the Mega CEO (or whatever he called it) of Target-Wal Mart-McDonald's-Burger King-Ford and some other companies (it was a long list) based on some phrasing in the constitution, the name of the nation's capital, and that during the recession the government bailed out businesses and not individual people. Sadly, some people seemed convinced when he got off the bus.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

This is one of those situations where I like to point out that someone's delusions are self-defeating. If we accept that it's true that the US government isn't legit because REASONS, then we observe that millions of people abide by this illegitimate governement every day. This illegitimate government had the power to extract taxes, imprison you, and if need be call you to war or execute you for a crime. The fact that the government is allegedly a sham stops none of this.

If true, why should we believe a government capable of holding this level of control over millions of people will be unable to deal with you because you've found some magic words? Why would a government founded on centuries of legal fraud be unravelled by one guy who read the fine print?

 

[KingofManga420]

This is one of those situations where I like to point out that someone's delusions are self-defeating. If we accept that it's true that the US government isn't legit because REASONS, then we observe that millions of people abide by this illegitimate governement every day. This illegitimate government had the power to extract taxes, imprison you, and if need be call you to war or execute you for a crime. The fact that the government is allegedly a sham stops none of this.

If true, why should we believe a government capable of holding this level of control over millions of people will be unable to deal with you because you've found some magic words? Why would a government founded on centuries of legal fraud be unravelled by one guy who read the fine print?

Actually it would be unraveled by the REPRESENTATIVE of one guy who read the fine print.

 

[Artard]

There's a video of some smug guy stepping into a court building and annoying the shit out of people with this kind of legal mumbo jumbo. They finally taser him for trying to walk into the court room and he tells his mom to bring the car around or something. Shits hysterical. Is he one of these guys?

ill like when I'm home.

This is Jace's final form.

Edit: Fun observations:

1. Nearly inaudible smug laugh at 1:29
2. "You can leave the camera with your mawm."
3. And basically all of the sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo.

 

[Meowthkip]

Fun fact, the Southern Poverty Law Center considers the Sovereign Citizens movement to be a hate movement.

 

[KingofManga420]

This is Jace's final form.

Edit: Fun observations:

1. Nearly inaudible smug laugh at 1:29
2. "You can leave the camera with your mawm."
3. And basically all of the sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo.

My god this is really quickly becoming a favorite thread of mine.

 

[Long Sun]

There the Moor Law which from what I understand is sovereign black people(don`t say africa because they were the original american before native american cames
Here a long explanation of one venison include a interesting view of what Allah really means

 

[Lefty's Revenge]

This is Jace's final form.

Edit: Fun observations:

1. Nearly inaudible smug laugh at 1:29
2. "You can leave the camera with your mawm."
3. And basically all of the sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo.

Yes, this one! I love the smug laugh as he survey's all the peons who don't understand law like he does. This video floated around reddit and even worldstar at one point and it always had me cracking. Had no clue this was actually like... a thing, yknow. I just thought he was batshit insane or something.

There the Moor Law which from what I understand is sovereign black people(don`t say africa because they were the original american before native american cames
Here a long explanation of one venison include a interesting view of what Allah really means

This bitch on bath salts.

I don't really get the endgame of alot of this shit. Shouldn't the fact that no one actually gets anything done like this prove that none of this is real?