Pacificism - Lol?

[Driftwood]

I was reading about how the Maori decimated the Chatham Islands and I thought pacifism is retarded in such circumstances. I mean, do you really think you can reason with a people who strung a 12 year old girl up on the mast or bow of a stolen merchant ship? The Moriori thought they could argue their pacifist shit and got their asses handed to them by the Maori. Good job, your people are basically wiped off the face of the Earth.

I am not agreeing with the Maori here, fuck them, but seriously, should not pacifism have some nuance to it, if for no other reason than probably not everyone else agrees with you? I bring this up because I have had anti-gun fags argue with me it is better to die than own and shoot a gun. Seriously, no shit.

What the fuck I am on about:

Moriori - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Kacho]

Pacifism is cope.

I choose not to fight = I'm weak and worthless and unable to fight so I'll feign virtue instead

 

[So-and-so]

I think there are a large number of situations where violence isn't necessary, and in actuality, people just don't want to put in the effort to mitigate conflict or de-escalate. If someone with a knife meets you in an alley and asks for your phone...even if he's half your size... you can get a new phone. You're not Jackie Chan. On the other hand, there are some situations where obviously the person isn't going to stop until you're fucking dead. In those situations, stop them. I think those situations come up way less often than we think, though, particularly in the first world.

I choose not to fight = I'm weak and worthless and unable to fight so I'll feign virtue instead

Yeah, this is typical "slave morality" where one takes one's weakness, and makes it into a strength, but the opposite can be true. "Might makes right = I'll take what I want, and if you can't stop me, it's mine. I'm strong". Just because that wasted guy at the bar decides you were looking at his girl wrong doesn't mean you have to beat him within an inch of his life.

 

[Milkis]

Gandhi said that the Jews in Europe should have died bravely without resistance to make a statement to the world. Pacifism is, like veganism, a personality disorder (I would guess BPD or similar?) masquerading as a worldview.

 

[TFT-A9]

1. If you desire peace, prepare for war...
1a. ...because if it's worth having, it's worth fighting for.

2. You cannot reason with the unreasonable...
2a. ...and the abandonment of reason is a betrayal of thousands of years of evolution that have given you the ability to even apprehend reason.

3. Your rights, realistically, are what you can enforce. "What you SHOULD have" is not "what you CAN have". What is, and what ought to be, are not always the same...
3a. ...and to that end, it is ultimately your responsibility to prove that you deserve to be left in peace by making the alternative as costly as humanly possible to an aggressor...
3b. ...because at the end of the day the only person you can really and truly hope to control is yourself.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Pacificism is a good contender for second worst ideology popularized in the 21nd century. It's basically the deep virtue of virtue signaling, not only you make yourself appear the most righteous by risking everyone else (especially if you are rich enough to move away at the first sign of danger), you also tie the government hands in the single aspect they exist for. And this shit is being popularized on tv as some sort of noble ideal rather than being pure retardation.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Pacifism is cope.

I choose not to fight = I'm weak and worthless and unable to fight so I'll feign virtue instead

Pacifism isn't a sustainable ideal, but refusing to partake in violence doesn't automatically signify weakness. The use of violence is of course sometimes necessary to deter belligerent actors, but what of those circumstances where your side is acting belligerently? In those scenarios, I think refusing to partake in violence is not only the right option, but arguably the more courageous one.

 

[Made In China]

Great, now the next step is to realize that libertarianism is basically a retarded offshoot of pacifism cucks.

 

[Penis Drager]

As an individual lifestyle: fine, whatever. Fighting is usually dumb and autistic anyway and it's generally better to just let shit go. If given the choice between the thug life and the pussy life, being a pussy means living longer and more sustainably 9 times out of 10.
Collectively, as a political strategy, it's kinda shit. We see BLM types today dismissing Martin Luther King Jr. as an ineffective cuck. Right around half of Hindus hate Gandhi with a passion (it's kinda split on party lines. The right wing BJP party literally prefer the anarchist that was shooting officers and blowing shit up over Gandhi. The left wing Congress Party is pretty cool with him, though. Still, even they don't give him nearly the praise that the US left loves to throw at him because they know just how contentious some of his decisions were).
Being a pacifist activist means being praised for being a pacifist, not actually accomplishing anything.

 

[Slap47]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum

It isn't really that complicated. You don't need to be a belligerent idiot, but you actually do have to be prepared to defend yourself.

 

[Biden's Chosen]

Why are people talking about pacifism? This is a thread about pacificism.

Maori masterrace.

 

[Meat Target]

Pacifism does nothing but reward an unjust aggressor. But you'll notice that pacifism and appeasement became popular between the world wars; the first world war horrified and fucked with the minds of so many people that peace at all costs became the ideal. Which is how you get cucks like Neville Chamberlain.

Plus, you have to distinguish between fighting an imminent threat and being a chickenhawk who thinks we need to intervene in conflicts in every backwater shithole at the edge of the earth.

I bring this up because I have had anti-gun fags argue with me it is better to die than own and shoot a gun. Seriously, no shit.

The result of living an easy, sheltered life. They think it's immoral to use deadly force in self-defense because they are too weak to fathom the concept that bad things can and will happen to good people. They're so used to having other people protect them that they can't comprehend the need to take the initiative upon themselves.

 

[ProblematicUser420]

Pacifism is pure faggotry. Sometimes (most times) you need to stand and fight.

 

[janedoe]

if you want to take that burden onto yourself and let your ass get beat, then by all means. be a pacifist. but if it gets in the way of someone else's safety, say someone is getting hurt in front of you and you 'muh beliefs' out of it, then your beliefs aren't very just, now, are they?

 

[Lmove]

Ngl I wanted to play the Devil's Advocate on this one. But when I started reading on it, I quickly realized that this belief is utterly retarded.

As it turns out, fighting for peace and pacifism are completely different things. I was completely gonna own you, guys. Referring to someone like Erwin Rommel, necessary evil, bunch of shit.

But,
As it turns out...
Pacifism is for faggots.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

The best example of the "success" of Pacifism:

Pacifism is simply undisguised cowardice - Hitler

 

[Slap47]

The best example of the "success" of Pacifism:

Pacifism is simply undisguised cowardice - Hitler

Chamberlain wasn't a pacifist. He responded to Hitler betraying his Czech agreement by forming dozens of defensive agreements and alliances to halt Hitler... and then literally declared a war.

That Sudetenland agreement was actually entirely reasonable. The Germans there wanted to be German and were being abused by the Czech government. The issue is that Hitler annexed the whole thing.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

Chamberlain wasn't a pacifist. He responded to Hitler betraying his Czech agreement by forming dozens of defensive agreements and alliances to halt Hitler... and then literally declared a war.

That Sudetenland agreement was actually entirely reasonable. The Germans there wanted to be German and were being abused by the Czech government. The issue is that Hitler annexed the whole thing.

Firts of all he and his French counterpart were the ones who betrayed the Czechoslovakian people in Munich 1938, that Hitler later swalloed the remains of Czechoslovakia was a direct result of that betrayal, made possible by Chamberlain and Daladier. Also noteworthy is that Poland and also Hungary annexed a part of Czechoslovakia as a result of that agreement.
England, France, Poland and Hungary reaped what they sowed, so to say.

Also a direct result of the inaction of both France and England in Munich was the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact signed just a few days before the outbreak of the war, which was the reason why Stalin could occupy the Baltic states and the eastern parts of Poland (don't forget Poland was later invaded by both Germany and the Soviets), also just being watched by both the French and the British.
All Chamberlain did was give Poland a guarantee to defend them in case of a German attack, which we all know was just lip service because nothing happened after the declaration of war by England and France.
They left the Polish people behind as they did with the Czechs and Slovaks. There was no noteworthy military action, except minor RAF bombings, before the Wehrmacht attacked in the West in 1940. They did nothing for the Poles, absolutely nothing.
Basically the war really started when Winston Churchill became Prime MInister, the French didn't even played a role anymore at that moment.

Calling the Sudetenland agreement, which was an agreement just made possible because Hitler threatend directly with a military invasion is preposterous, tbh.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, justified the Munich Agreement, which was just possible because both England and France shat their pants being scared to death while the Czechoslovakian Army was ready to put up a fight for the defense of their nation, which given the state the Wehrmacht was in during that time they might even could have won.
The Munich agreement was treason against Czechoslovakia, caused by two nations (FRance and England) paralyzed by fear about a new war in Europe.
Also the fairy tale that German people were opressed by the Czechs, yes the Czechs ruled with a hard hand in said territories after the Czech-Nazis under Henlein caused a major stir up of insurrections. Actions which were directly ordered by Berlin and organised by Konrad Henlein and his cohorts.

What is important is that all the events before the Munich Agreement like the reinstitution of the Draft in Germany, the open re-armament, the founding of the Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht re-entering the demilitarized Rhineland were met with decisive inaction by both the French and the English.
The agression against Czechoslovakia and the resulting Munich agreement was made possible because all the inactivity of England and France gave Hitler the illusion he could go on and on with his agressive politics without anykind of interference by both England and France. Sadly he was right in that regard, both England and France only reacted when it was already to late.
Chamberlain (and his predecessors MacDonald and Baldwin) had intelligence information about what was going on in Germany since 1933 and to brutally blunt here, it was a major factor for the heavy losses the British Army and the RAF suffered in the early stages of the war that all three of them did nothing to counter the massive re-armament, they did nothing to bring the RAF and the British Army up to modern standards, nothing.

But to be honest,all of this could have been avoided when the allies after the Great War would have used their brains and wouldn't have followed their thirst for revenge.
The Treaty of Saint-Germain (between the victors of World War I and Austria) and the Treaty of Trianon (between the victors of The Great War and Hungary) regulated the new borders of Austria and Hungary, and thus caused devastating political and economic effects.
As a result of these treaties (which were partly even worse than the Treaty of Versailles for Germany) economic difficulties and extremist movements (both communist and fascist) gained strength and there was no regional power in central Europe left to do something against them.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

short abswear: cuck.

long answer: there is nothing wrong being anti-violence but laying down and letting yourself get beaten/killed just to hold some moral-highgourd in your mind is borderline retarded. its nothing to be ashamed of bringing harm to those that threaten not only your life, but the life of your loved ones. pacifism is a form of weakness/cowardness people will take advantage off.

NEVER BE A CUCK.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Pacifism can work if we get rid of all the blacks and muslims.